The Teachings of Paul (TOP)

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I answer, but you either don't comprehend or don't agree, so there we are.
I am glad we agree that saving faith precedes and produces loving/good works.
Faith in Jesus as Lord saves us in the same way faith in the Lord God saved Abraham (Romans 4).
1. Acts 16:31.
2. Romans 6:3-11.
3. Romans 4:1-25.
Must be a comprehend thing because I sure didn't see any answers just dancing.

Looks like your trying to anwer the third one, still watithing for the first 2.

1. We have to accept JESUS as our lord????
2. Being baptized is an outward confession???

WERE THEY LIES?

So many leading questions have to be asked when not just following HIS word but your own oppinon.

So NOW your saying faith in JESUS saves the same way it did Abraham.

One thing for sure according to you, when you said there are many ways to be saved you were't lying about that, of course that is what YOU think not bible.

Acts 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
First question, just believe on him NOT WHAT HE SAYS OR WHAT WE MUST DO?

You do know Muslims who worship allah their moon god believes on JESUS but follows muhumand right?
So they are saved according to you??? How is that possible?

We are saved by faith, faith in WHAT?

Where would we be without faith AND WORKS?

What good is faith without WORKS?

These foke's were giving instructions if THEY DIDN'T HAVE FAITH AND OBEY NOTHING WOULD HAVE HAPPENED????

Acts 2:37-41
37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

If they didn't have faith and obey, they would have not been added.

2 Kings 5:13 And his servants came near, and spake unto him, and said, My father, if the prophet had bid thee do some great thing, wouldest thou not have done it? how much rather then, when he saith to thee, Wash, and be clean?
14 Then went he down, and dipped himself seven times in Jordan, according to the saying of the man of God: and his flesh came again like unto the flesh of a little child, and he was clean.

If they didn't have faith and obey, he would have never been clean.

The Ten Lepers (Luke 17:11-19): Jesus encounters ten lepers and tells them to "Go, show yourselves unto the priests". As they were obeying this instruction, they were cleansed. One of them, a Samaritan, returned to thank Jesus, and Jesus told him, "Rise and go; thy faith hath made thee whole".

If they didn't have faith and obey, he would not have been made whole.

The Man Born Blind (John 9:1-41): Jesus heals a man born blind by anointing his eyes with clay and telling him, "Go, wash in the pool of Siloam". The man obeys and receives his sight.

If they didn't have faith and obey, he would not have receives his sight.

The Man at the Pool of Bethesda (John 5:1-17): Jesus tells a man who had been infirm for thirty-eight years to "Rise, take up thy bed, and walk". The man is immediately healed and does so, according to Bible Hub. Later, Jesus finds him and says, "Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee".

If they didn't have faith and obey, he would have never stood up.

People GOD used BECAUSE OF THEIR FAITH.

Hebrews 11
1. Now FAITH is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
2 For by it the elders obtained a good report.
3 THROUGH FAITH we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
4 BY FAITH Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.
5 BY FAITH Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
6 But WITHOUT FAITH it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
7 BY FAITH Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.
8 BY FAITH Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
9 BY FAITH he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:
10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
11 THROUGH FAITH also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised.
12 Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.
13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
14 For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country.
15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.
16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
17 BY FAITH Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,
18 Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:
19 Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.
20 BY FAITH Isaac blessed Jacob and Esau concerning things to come.
21 BY FAITH Jacob, when he was a dying, blessed both the sons of Joseph; and worshipped, leaning upon the top of his staff.
22 BY FAITH Joseph, when he died, made mention of the departing of the children of Israel; and gave commandment concerning his bones.
23 By FAITH Moses, when he was born, was hid three months of his parents, because they saw he was a proper child; and they were not afraid of the king's commandment.
24 BY FAITH Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter;
25 Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season;
26 Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompence of the reward.
27 BY FAITH he forsook Egypt, not fearing the wrath of the king: for he endured, as seeing him who is invisible.
28 THROUGH FAITH he kept the passover, and the sprinkling of blood, lest he that destroyed the firstborn should touch them.
29 BY FAITH they passed through the Red sea as by dry land: which the Egyptians assaying to do were drowned.
30 BY FAITH the walls of Jericho fell down, after they were compassed about seven days.
31 BY FAITH the harlot Rahab perished not with them that believed not, when she had received the spies with peace.
32 And what shall I more say? for the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon, and of Barak, and of Samson, and of Jephthae; of David also, and Samuel, and of the prophets:
33 Who THROUGH FAITH subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions.
34 Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens.
35 Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection:
36 And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment:
37 They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented;
38 (Of whom the world was not worthy:) they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth.
39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.
 
I answer, but you either don't comprehend or don't agree, so there we are.
I am glad we agree that saving faith precedes and produces loving/good works.
Faith in Jesus as Lord saves us in the same way faith in the Lord God saved Abraham (Romans 4).
1. Acts 16:31.
2. Romans 6:3-11.
3. Romans 4:1-25.

Part 2, a little to long sorry.

James 2:16-26
16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
17 Even so FAITH, if it hath not WORKS, is dead, being alone.
18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast FAITH, and I have WORKS: shew me thy FAITH without thy WORKS, and I will shew thee my FAITH by my WORKS.
19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by WORKS, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22 Seest thou how FAITH wrought with his WORKS, and by WORKS was FAITH made perfect?
23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
24 Ye see then how that by WORKS a man is justified, and not by FAITH ONLY.
25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so FAITH WITHOUT WORKS is dead also.

End result, HIS WORD tells us we have to be baptized in JESUS name and be filled with HIMSELF HIS spirit IF WE want to ENTER. John 3:5 Acts 2:38

We have to have faith HIS word is true, do it and we will be Heaven bound.

NO OTHER WAY.
 
Part 2, a little to long sorry.

James 2:16-26
16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
17 Even so FAITH, if it hath not WORKS, is dead, being alone.
18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast FAITH, and I have WORKS: shew me thy FAITH without thy WORKS, and I will shew thee my FAITH by my WORKS.
19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by WORKS, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22 Seest thou how FAITH wrought with his WORKS, and by WORKS was FAITH made perfect?
23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
24 Ye see then how that by WORKS a man is justified, and not by FAITH ONLY.
25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so FAITH WITHOUT WORKS is dead also.

End result, HIS WORD tells us we have to be baptized in JESUS name and be filled with HIMSELF HIS spirit IF WE want to ENTER. John 3:5 Acts 2:38

We have to have faith HIS word is true, do it and we will be Heaven bound.

NO OTHER WAY.

Yes, we are saved by faith in God as revealed, which for us means as revealed in the NT, which teaches that the requirement for a right/saving relationship with God is to accept Christ Jesus as Lord” (as in 2Cor. 4:5 & Col. 2:6), which implies believing:
  1. There is a/one all-loving and just Lord or God (Deut. 6:4, John 3:16, 2Thes. 1:6), who is both able (2Tim. 1:12) and willing (1Tim. 2:3-4, Ezek. 33:11) to provide all morally accountable human beings salvation or heaven—a wonderful life full of love, joy and peace forever.
  2. Human beings are selfish or sinful (Rom. 3:23, 2Tim. 3:2-4, Col. 3:5), miserable (Gal. 5:19-21), and hopeless (Eph. 2:12) or hell-bound at the judgment (Matt. 23:33 & 25:46) when they reject God’s salvation (John 3:18, Rom. 2:5-11).
  3. Jesus is God’s Messiah/Christ and incarnate Son, the way that God has chosen (John 3:16, Acts 16:30-31, Phil. 2:9-11) of providing salvation by means of his atoning death on the cross for the payment of the penalty for the sins of humanity (Rom. 3:22-25 & 5:9-11), followed by his resurrection to reign in heaven (1Cor. 15:14-28).
Thus, I repent and accept God’s justification in Jesus as Christ/Messiah the Lord or Supreme Commander (Luke 2:11, John 14:6, Acts 16:31), which means cooperating with His commandment to love one another (Matt. 22:37-40, John 13:35, Rom. 13:9)—forever (Matt. 10:22, Psa. 113:2).
 
Yes, we are saved by faith in God as revealed, which for us means as revealed in the NT, which teaches that the requirement for a right/saving relationship with God is to accept Christ Jesus as Lord” (as in 2Cor. 4:5 & Col. 2:6), which implies believing:
  1. There is a/one all-loving and just Lord or God (Deut. 6:4, John 3:16, 2Thes. 1:6), who is both able (2Tim. 1:12) and willing (1Tim. 2:3-4, Ezek. 33:11) to provide all morally accountable human beings salvation or heaven—a wonderful life full of love, joy and peace forever.
  2. Human beings are selfish or sinful (Rom. 3:23, 2Tim. 3:2-4, Col. 3:5), miserable (Gal. 5:19-21), and hopeless (Eph. 2:12) or hell-bound at the judgment (Matt. 23:33 & 25:46) when they reject God’s salvation (John 3:18, Rom. 2:5-11).
  3. Jesus is God’s Messiah/Christ and incarnate Son, the way that God has chosen (John 3:16, Acts 16:30-31, Phil. 2:9-11) of providing salvation by means of his atoning death on the cross for the payment of the penalty for the sins of humanity (Rom. 3:22-25 & 5:9-11), followed by his resurrection to reign in heaven (1Cor. 15:14-28).
Thus, I repent and accept God’s justification in Jesus as Christ/Messiah the Lord or Supreme Commander (Luke 2:11, John 14:6, Acts 16:31), which means cooperating with His commandment to love one another (Matt. 22:37-40, John 13:35, Rom. 13:9)—forever (Matt. 10:22, Psa. 113:2).
How do we get rid of our sins?

How does being filled with the Holy Ghost with evidence in speaking in tonguese replace being baptized to get rid of our sins?

Show me where we accept him.

Tell me what a person has to do to be reborn.
 
How do we get rid of our sins?

How does being filled with the Holy Ghost with evidence in speaking in tonguese replace being baptized to get rid of our sins?

Show me where we accept him.

Tell me what a person has to do to be reborn.
Yes, we are saved by faith in God as revealed, which for us means as revealed in the NT, which teaches that the requirement for a right/saving relationship with God is to accept Christ Jesus as Lord” (as in 2Cor. 4:5 & Col. 2:6), which implies believing:
  1. There is a/one all-loving and just Lord or God (Deut. 6:4, John 3:16, 2Thes. 1:6), who is both able (2Tim. 1:12) and willing (1Tim. 2:3-4, Ezek. 33:11) to provide all morally accountable human beings salvation or heaven—a wonderful life full of love, joy and peace forever.
  2. Human beings are selfish or sinful (Rom. 3:23, 2Tim. 3:2-4, Col. 3:5), miserable (Gal. 5:19-21), and hopeless (Eph. 2:12) or hell-bound at the judgment (Matt. 23:33 & 25:46) when they reject God’s salvation (John 3:18, Rom. 2:5-11).
  3. Jesus is God’s Messiah/Christ and incarnate Son, the way that God has chosen (John 3:16, Acts 16:30-31, Phil. 2:9-11) of providing salvation by means of his atoning death on the cross for the payment of the penalty for the sins of humanity (Rom. 3:22-25 & 5:9-11), followed by his resurrection to reign in heaven (1Cor. 15:14-28).
Thus, I repent and accept God’s justification in Jesus as Christ/Messiah the Lord or Supreme Commander (Luke 2:11, John 14:6, Acts 16:31), which means cooperating with His commandment to love one another (Matt. 22:37-40, John 13:35, Rom. 13:9)—forever (Matt. 10:22, Psa. 113:2).

What is GODS name?
 
Yes, we are saved by faith in God as revealed, which for us means as revealed in the NT, which teaches that the requirement for a right/saving relationship with God is to accept Christ Jesus as Lord” (as in 2Cor. 4:5 & Col. 2:6), which implies believing:
  1. There is a/one all-loving and just Lord or God (Deut. 6:4, John 3:16, 2Thes. 1:6), who is both able (2Tim. 1:12) and willing (1Tim. 2:3-4, Ezek. 33:11) to provide all morally accountable human beings salvation or heaven—a wonderful life full of love, joy and peace forever.
  2. Human beings are selfish or sinful (Rom. 3:23, 2Tim. 3:2-4, Col. 3:5), miserable (Gal. 5:19-21), and hopeless (Eph. 2:12) or hell-bound at the judgment (Matt. 23:33 & 25:46) when they reject God’s salvation (John 3:18, Rom. 2:5-11).
  3. Jesus is God’s Messiah/Christ and incarnate Son, the way that God has chosen (John 3:16, Acts 16:30-31, Phil. 2:9-11) of providing salvation by means of his atoning death on the cross for the payment of the penalty for the sins of humanity (Rom. 3:22-25 & 5:9-11), followed by his resurrection to reign in heaven (1Cor. 15:14-28).
Thus, I repent and accept God’s justification in Jesus as Christ/Messiah the Lord or Supreme Commander (Luke 2:11, John 14:6, Acts 16:31), which means cooperating with His commandment to love one another (Matt. 22:37-40, John 13:35, Rom. 13:9)—forever (Matt. 10:22, Psa. 113:2).

sorry forgot, PROVE being baptized in for show.
 
How do we get rid of our sins?

How does being filled with the Holy Ghost with evidence in speaking in tonguese replace being baptized to get rid of our sins?

Show me where we accept him.

Tell me what a person has to do to be reborn.

Being saved means receiving the HS, being rid of our sins, accepting Jesus, and being reborn.

Show me where it doesn't mean these.
You can reject Jesus if you want,
but IMO you are nuts if you think sins are physical dirt that are washed off by water.
 
Being saved means receiving the HS, being rid of our sins, accepting Jesus, and being reborn.

Show me where it doesn't mean these.
You can reject Jesus if you want,
but IMO you are nuts if you think sins are physical dirt that are washed off by water.
Thank you,

"Being saved means receiving the HS, being rid of our sins, accepting Jesus, and being reborn."

I agree. example of someone being filled with the Holy Ghost.

Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Acts 10:45-46
45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,

Acts 19:6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.



Getting rid of our sins, I can't show you scripture of people being baptized in JESUS name only being told to.

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 10:48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

Acts 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.

"but IMO you are nuts if you think sins are physical dirt that are washed off by water."
WHERE did that come from? did anyone ever mention washing away dirt? I agree they are CRAZY.

Sinces it you who will not accept his word why would you suggest it's ME who is rejecting JESUS?

ACCEPTING JESUS????

I've told you this before back it up with scripture OR IT'S A LIE FROM SATAN!!

So how about we stop the theater and PROVE IT OR REPENT.

If I wrong with something PROVE IT. Show me some other way we get the Holy Ghost or get rid of our sins.

Not taking about anything else with you until this is done.
 
Thank you,

"Being saved means receiving the HS, being rid of our sins, accepting Jesus, and being reborn."

I agree. example of someone being filled with the Holy Ghost.

Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Acts 10:45-46
45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,

Acts 19:6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.



Getting rid of our sins, I can't show you scripture of people being baptized in JESUS name only being told to.

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 10:48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

Acts 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.

"but IMO you are nuts if you think sins are physical dirt that are washed off by water."
WHERE did that come from? did anyone ever mention washing away dirt? I agree they are CRAZY.

Sinces it you who will not accept his word why would you suggest it's ME who is rejecting JESUS?

ACCEPTING JESUS????

I've told you this before back it up with scripture OR IT'S A LIE FROM SATAN!!

So how about we stop the theater and PROVE IT OR REPENT.

If I wrong with something PROVE IT. Show me some other way we get the Holy Ghost or get rid of our sins.

Not taking about anything else with you until this is done.

Sorry, but quibbling over whether "accepting" Jesus means the same as "believing in" Jesus is boring,
and I have been both WB and SB, so no worries there per both Acts and the epistles. You can believe
you need to wash off your sins--every day if you want, as long as you don't think it earns forgiveness.
Perhaps we will find a new to topic to disagree about another day. Happy trails for now!
:cool:
 
Sorry, but quibbling over whether "accepting" Jesus means the same as "believing in" Jesus is boring,
and I have been both WB and SB, so no worries there per both Acts and the epistles. You can believe
you need to wash off your sins--every day if you want, as long as you don't think it earns forgiveness.
Perhaps we will find a new to topic to disagree about another day. Happy trails for now!
:cool:
Quibbling? I guess you think your opinion trumps what HIS word says.

You say you were water baptized THEN YOU say as long as I don't think it washes away our sins???? HIS WORD SAYS IT DOES!!!! Let me think who will I FOLLOW, you or JESUS? Yea joking you know who.

WHY GET WATER BAPTIZED??? WHAT BOOK ARE YOU READING????

SIN WILL NOT ENTER HEAVEN!!!!!!!!!!

If you can't back up what you say with HIS word IT'S LIE FROM SATAN.

When I see you posting your opinion which leads people down the wide and broad road with you, their blood will be on your hands.

I will not ask you any questions, been tying that for a week or so.

I will just say If you can't back that up with HIS word, it's A LIE FROM SATAN because IT'S NOT IN HIS WORD.

Satan Kicked out of Heaven for Pride, and his plan keep them out of the water, if they get in the water keep JESUS name out of it. Your helping him.

You are so puffed up and full of pride you take the Pharisees in JESUS time to a new level.

All of your knowledge just like the Pharisees and you can't SEE, Pride.

I will be praying for JESUS to take the shackles off of your eyes.
 
I notice you say church, not churchs.

This is amazing? I guess it's true how can there be ONE GOD and so many different denominations?

I'm really think there can't be that many different docrins some have to have the same.

There are over 45,000 different Christian denominations globally. This vast number of denominations stems from the historical and ongoing interpretations of Christian beliefs and practices, particularly after the Protestant Reformation.

Which church is he the head of, all of them?

Or just the ones who obey him?

Continuing with the TOP:

TOP #199: Sin is both mental attitude and physical behavior. [Col. 1: 21] Probably Adam and Eve sinned by believing the devil before they ate the forbidden fruit. Therefore, spiritual renewal begins with faith before wrong habits are eliminated (cf. Rom. 12:2, TOP #55).

TOP #55: Believers should renew their minds so that they will appreciate God’s good, pleasing and perfect will. [Rom. 12:2]

TOP #200: God’s salvation is conditional upon persevering faith in the Gospel. [Col. 1: 22-23, 2Tim. 2:11-13] These verses are part of the doctrine of perseverance implied by the kerygma, because it is necessary in order to achieve TOP such as #191 & #195 (cf. TOP #182 & 211).

TOP #191: Christians should behave in accordance with what they have learned as they continue to learn God’s will/word. [Phil. 3:15-17] Paul cites himself as an example. Those who habitually sin indicate that their profession of Christ is false (cf. TOP #167 & 211).

TOP #167: Those who claim to be Christians but typically sin are I-dolaters bound for divine wrath. [Eph. 5:3&5-6, Phil. 3:18-19] Paul said not to be partners or associate with such pseudo-Christians (v.7).

TOP #211: Saving faith in the Gospel should be augmented by faith in the fullness of God’s Word. [1Thes. 3:10] This truth teaches the difference between the essential kerygma regarding God’s requirement for salvation and secondary or subsequent teaching regarding spiritual growth toward maturity.

TOP #195: Learn to be content whatever the circumstances. [Phil. 4:11-13] God will enable believers to endure anything.

TOP #182: Conduct consistent with Christian faith begins with perseverance and spiritual unity. [Phil. 1:27-28] This truth is like TOP #155 but combines two main themes in the TOP (cf. #134 & 64).

TOP #134: Continue to be free of the law by having faith in Christ so that you will not be “alienated” and become “fallen away from grace”. [Gal. 5:1-5] This indicates the possibility of apostasy or intentionally repudiating saving faith (cf. Heb. 6:4-6).

TOP #64: Have empathy and live in harmony. [Rom. 12:15-16a &18] Peace and unity rather than arguing and divisiveness is a theme in Paul’s epistles, and James addressed this in Jam. 4:1-2. Jesus prayed that believers would be one in John 17:23.

TOP #155: Christian behavior should be worthy of their calling by Christ, which means being humble, patient and loving. [Eph. 4:1-2, Phil. 1:27, Col. 1:10, 2Thes. 1:5&11] Paul did not claim to be perfect, but he pressed on toward this goal (Phil. 3:12-16).

[I see that CC format overrides my attempt to indent sub-TOP using the space bar.]:(
 
1. The teachings of Paul are the teachings of Jesus.
2. Acronyms are an awful way to communicate.

I agree with #1, but I think acronyms are awfully convenient for abbreviating phrases (such as TOP for "teaching of Paul")
used endlessly in discussions. The list of the ones I employ for phrases used frequently are on the About section of my profile.
 
I agree with #1, but I think acronyms are awfully convenient for abbreviating phrases (such as TOP for "teaching of Paul")
used endlessly in discussions. The list of the ones I employ for phrases used frequently are on the About section of my profile.
They make no sense to many people, and I'm not going to reference your profile every time I don't know what one of your acronyms is. Communication is a two-way street. Typing a few more letters just isn't that hard.
 
They make no sense to many people, and I'm not going to reference your profile every time I don't know what one of your acronyms is. Communication is a two-way street. Typing a few more letters just isn't that hard.

Neither is learning a few acronyms, which you might find rather hard if you used the phrases as much as I do.
I suspect your complaint stems more from disagreement with doctrine, so I wish you would discuss that,
although I agreed that the teachings of Paul are the teachings of Jesus, so what else is on your mind?
I will try not to use acronyms in my replies with you, but if I forget, simply type NAP (no acronyms please).
BTW, I love CO having been raised in NM, and like you I do not remember not being a Christian, since I never
rebelled against my parents and church's teachings. (Oops!)
 
Neither is learning a few acronyms, which you might find rather hard if you used the phrases as much as I do.)

Your choice. My time is limited. I'm just going to skip the discussions with them.

I suspect your complaint stems more from disagreement with doctrine)

Your suspicion is wrong. I said why I take exception to them.

so I wish you would discuss that

Not if I have to look hip a bunch of acronyms.

since I never rebelled against my parents and church's teachings. (Oops!)

I grew up in the church of Christ. I don't agree with many of their teachings now. I wouldn't really call that rebellion though.
 
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Your choice. My time is limited. I'm just going to skip the discussions with them.

Your suspicion is wrong. I said why I take exception to them.

Not if I have to look hip a bunch of acronyms.

I grew up in the church of Christ. I don't agree with many of their teachings now. I wouldn't really call that rebellion though.

I am glad your complaint was due to acronymophobia rather than to disagreement regarding doctrine.
By the time I graduated from HS--make that high school--I realized that my Baptist upbringing had not prepared me
for defending my faith against the questions atheists asked, so I felt led to do what I could to solve that problem
as well as I could, which did result in me learning that OSAS (oops!) was wrong, the doctrine of inspiration had caveats,
and many other points in the Baptist Statement of Faith did not belong in a creed, because they dealt with secondary issues,
so I developed the one I have shared many times and amended this morning per some feedback I received to include mention
of grace and Christ's return.
 
I am glad your complaint was due to acronymophobia rather than to disagreement regarding doctrine.
By the time I graduated from HS--make that high school--I realized that my Baptist upbringing had not prepared me
for defending my faith against the questions atheists asked, so I felt led to do what I could to solve that problem
as well as I could, which did result in me learning that OSAS (oops!) was wrong, the doctrine of inspiration had caveats,
and many other points in the Baptist Statement of Faith did not belong in a creed, because they dealt with secondary issues,
so I developed the one I have shared many times and amended this morning per some feedback I received to include mention
of grace and Christ's return.
Oh, I'm certain we have many disagreements on doctrine, but as I said that had nothing to do with my complaint about acronyms. And to be clear, I'm not afraid of them, I simply have no time for them.
 
Oh, I'm certain we have many disagreements on doctrine, but as I said that had nothing to do with my complaint about acronyms. And to be clear, I'm not afraid of them, I simply have no time for them.

Well, you can look forward to retirement, or eternity.
Then you will have no excuse for not learning acronyms! :oops: