Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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Burn1986 said:
Christian Chat is where all good Pharisees end up.
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Well cc is one of the most popular forums out there but this one here https://christianforums.net/ is the one I work at and it is not nearly as popular but that is due to how many people we had to get rid of lots of trolls and such and people flat out attacking each other but now it is a pretty chill place
 
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Burn1986 said:
What choices did the Israelites have at the Red Sea?
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Walk through or turn around.
Deut 30:19
I call heaven and earth to witness against you today, that I have placed before you life and death, the blessing and the curse. So choose life in order that you may live, you and your descendants,
 
Cameron143 said:
It was exactly the point. She impugned my character when what I said was accurate. Thus, my response.
Sometimes I correct others misrepresentations, sometimes not. If you are addressing something in particular I'll be happy to address it if you let me know.
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Are we saved before or after belief in the Lord Jesus Christ?

Acts 16:31
 
Blain said:
Well cc is one of the most popular forums out there but this one here https://christianforums.net/ is the one I work at and it is not nearly as popular but that is due to how many people we had to get rid of lots of trolls and such and people flat out attacking each other but now it is a pretty chill place
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I was on that site 10 years ago or so. They went woke and liberal. Anyone with doctrinal truth was weeded out.
 
Cameron143 said:
It was exactly the point. She impugned my character when what I said was accurate. Thus, my response.
Sometimes I correct others misrepresentations, sometimes not. If you are addressing something in particular I'll be happy to address it if you let me know.
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HeIsHere said:
btw... ad hominem means you have no argument left so one resorts to personal attacks.
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ad hom
 
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Ephesians 1:13-14 ~ When we heard the word of truth, the gospel of our salvation, and believed in Him, we were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, Who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of His glory.
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Blain said:
Yes I agree it is when we believe, but also it is to be born again
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I think I see what Cameron might have misunderstood, for when I first read what you said, I believe I thought I saw what Cameron may have thought he saw.

@Cameron said.. We are saved when we believe.
And, in your response?
You added a 'but' in there, which to many seems like there is an exception taking place.

It sounded at first to me that you were saying....

Yes, when we believe, we are saved. But, we also have to be born again.

That is how it first appeared to me to be saying.

After looking at what you said again, I believe this is more like what you were wishing to convey.

Is this what it was you were wishing to state?

Yes I agree it (salvation) is when we believe, but also it is also to be called being born again, not just saved.

Did I get it right?
 
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1 Corinthians 1 v 30-31 ~ It is because of God that you are in Christ Jesus, Who has become for us wisdom from God: our righteousness, holiness, and redemption. Therefore, as it is written: “Let him who boasts boast in the Lord.”
 
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Free will is a wonderful gift given to us by God. The ability to reason within ourselves and then choose is what seperates us from the beasts. As Gods people do we lose free will....NO! But we surender our will to Gods will and plan for our lives and so we say ,Your will be done not mine. As his will is being revealed we see how wonderful it is and with way more purpose then what we could have ever willed for ourselves and everything makes sense under his plan also
 
Kroogz said:
I was on that site 10 years ago or so. They went woke and liberal. Anyone with doctrinal truth was weeded out.
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I see, well things over there are pretty stable and civil it is under a new owner now and I happen to be good friends with the owner
 
HeIsHere said:
I think I see what you are saying.

Suffice to say "Inability" as a doctrine puts the Good News in reverse and Christ Jesus becomes untrustworthy and for this reason they will not preach the full Gospel.

John 10:37-30, Jesus asks people who do not want to believe his words to believe in his works so they can believe in Him!
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Look also at johns witness and it’s effect working with Jesus

“If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not. But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.

And many resorted unto him, and said, John did no miracle: but all things that John spake of this man were true. And many believed on him there.”
‭‭John‬ ‭10:37-38, 41-42‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Bit remember which group we are in


“Neither pray I for these alone, ( the chosen apostles ) but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; ( the Bible’s nt ) that they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us:

that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.”
‭‭John‬ ‭17:20-21‬ ‭

The Gospel was sent out from Jerusalem preached by the apostles to all nations so that the world could believe . Thoer words make up the New Testament the four gospels are the apostles witness even Luke he took the account of the apostles and early church . All the epistles also the apostles of Jesus feneretion he blessed and annointed and sent forth spreading the gospel .

what I’m meaning is we aren’t the apostles but those who are meant to receive the apostles message of salvation commissioned by Jesus

“But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judæa, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭1:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

everywhere the nt is oresched or written in a Bible tbier witness and words make it possible for the world to believe in Jesus the message of the gospel itself
 
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Genez said:
I think I see what Cameron might have misunderstood, for when I first read what you said, I believe I thought I saw what Cameron may have thought he saw.

@Cameron said.. We are saved when we believe.
And, in your response?
You added a 'but' in there, which to many seems like there is an exception taking place.

It sounded at first to me that you were saying....

Yes, when we believe, we are saved. But, we also have to be born again.

That is how it first appeared to me to be saying.

After looking at what you said again, I believe this is more like what you were wishing to convey.

Is this what it was you were wishing to state?

Yes I agree it (salvation) is when we believe, but also it is also to be called being born again, not just saved.

Did I get it right?
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Yes you are correct
 
Blain said:
Well it is never specifically stated but it is heavily implied
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Why?
Did you receive life when you were born? Or at conception? Did you know that you were alive at conception? You were alive long before you knew you were alive. If this is so for natural birth, why is it different for spiritual birth?
Romans 1:20 tells us the invisible things of God are understood by the things that are made. Why doesn't natural birth which is seen tell us about spiritual birth which is not seen.
 
Cameron143 said:
Why?
Did you receive life when you were born? Or at conception? Did you know that you were alive at conception? You were alive long before you knew you were alive. If this is so for natural birth, why is it different for spiritual birth?
Romans 1:20 tells us the invisible things of God are understood by the things that are made. Why doesn't natural birth which is seen tell us about spiritual birth which is not seen.
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Not wanting to open a can of worms....

But, Because of the lack of proper exegetical study and teaching, it is VERY easy to not only assume something.
But, also have a vast majority of believers agreeing with you when you are not understanding what's there in the Scriptures.

Without going into detail at this time.
Just the conclusions will be given.

At conception was the beginning of biological life.
At birth, is when God breathed our soul into the completed body.

God gives the soul.
Our parents only provided the body.
 
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