Israel.

[CommodoreTeach]

Intelligent conversation is not in view for some, what they want is to suppress the truth by any means necessary and make it personal so that a person will come back in kind and they can have them banned.
It is all very tragic, but take heart you are on the right/righteous side... AMEN!!

Thanks for your encouraging words!

Some of what takes place here really reminds me of the martyrdom of Stephen. Some people (like you) are speaking so clearly the truth full of grace, while with others, it seems like there is a real hatred - maybe not to the point of killing us, but like you say, getting them banned so their words won't be heard, because the truth aggravates these haters so much.

Acts 7:51 - 58
58 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.
52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:
53 Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.
54 When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth.
55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.
57 Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord,
58 And cast him out of the city, and stoned him: and the witnesses laid down their clothes at a young man's feet, whose name was Saul.

I don't know if this is theologically correct, because some or maybe all of these people have saving faith in Christ. But its like how can Christians not see? How can Christians not perceive this? How can Christians say that? While Stephen talked about the Pharisees in his day having uncircumcised hearts and ears, I think those in our day have uncircumcised eyes and mouths in addition (or at least fingers, giving typing rather than physically talking).

 

[Needevidence]

Abraham was the first one of the chosen nation. First one to be called out. Jews still circumcise today. The land promise is to the Jew, not the Gentile, not the church.

Where does it say any of that & also Muslims circumcise as well - provide 2 passages that support what you are saying?


17:

12 12 For the generations to come every male among you who is eight days old must be circumcised, including those born in your household or bought with money from a foreigner—those who are not your offspring

14 Any uncircumcised male, who has not been circumcised in the flesh, will be cut off from his people; he has broken my covenant.”

26 Abraham and his son Ishmael were both circumcised on that very day.

27 And every male in Abraham’s household, including those born in his household or bought from a foreigner, was circumcised with him.

So doesnt say Jew or even offspring

From what I can recall all the promises of this so called 'everlasting' were made to Abraham and his descendants – what passage are you using?

 

[Needevidence]

Intelligent conversation is not in view for some, what they want is to suppress the truth by any means necessary and make it personal so that a person will come back in kind and they can have them banned.
It is all very tragic, but take heart you are on the right/righteous side... AMEN!!

So true - I have noticed a few appear to work together and are happy to find an excuse to get people 'banned' - they see that as a victory rather than engage with debate and evidence.

 

[CommodoreTeach]

Where does it say any of that & also Muslims circumcise as well - provide 2 passages that support what you are saying?

14 Any uncircumcised male, who has not been circumcised in the flesh, will be cut off from his people; he has broken my covenant.”

26 Abraham and his son Ishmael were both circumcised on that very day.

27 And every male in Abraham’s household, including those born in his household or bought from a foreigner, was circumcised with him.

So doesnt say Jew or even offspring

From what I can recall all the promises of this so called 'everlasting' were made to Abraham and his descendants – what passage are you using?

What these people can't seem to accept is that God's people worship Him in spirit and in truth. Circumcision was always about the heart first - the physical was only the outward sign.

Deuteronomy 10:16
Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.

Romans 2:25 - 29
25 For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.
26 Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?
27 And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Yet some political con-men did a bait-and-switch about 100 years ago around a place they renamed Israel and modern day Pharisees, and these people seem so deep in the lie they can't get out.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Some people (like you) are speaking so clearly the truth full of grace, while with others, it seems like there is a real hatred -
.

Hatred of what? We're not the ones saying the Jews aren't even a people. You think that is full of grace do you?

maybe not to the point of killing us,
.

Oh, so you're the victim. Histrionics now! You're the one denying Jews a homeland and a race, but you're the victim. Ok. And now we're possible murderers. You poor, poor victim, how can you go on.

but like you say, getting them banned so their words won't be heard,

Now you're going to instigate to get people banned. So, no free speech, just speech you approve. How fascist of you.

because the truth aggravates

Not THE truth, YOUR truth.

these haters so much.

And again, you are the ones denying an entire race and a homeland. Not to mention denying them the forgiveness of God.

I don't know if this is theologically correct,

Oh now you admit you might be wrong on something. smh

How can Christians say that? .

Because the Word says that.

 

[CommodoreTeach]

Hatred of what? We're not the ones saying the Jews aren't even a people. You think that is full of grace do you?




Oh, so you're the victim. Histrionics now! You're the one denying Jews a homeland and a race, but you're the victim. Ok. And now we're possible murderers. You poor, poor victim, how can you go on.




Now you're going to instigate to get people banned. So, no free speech, just speech you approve. How fascist of you.



Not THE truth, YOUR truth.




And again, you are the ones denying an entire race and a homeland. Not to mention denying them the forgiveness of God.




Oh now you admit you might be wrong on something. smh



Because the Word says that.

Repent first, discuss then. Until you repent, there can be no intelligent discussion. Deut 10:16.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

So true - I have noticed a few appear to work together and are happy to find an excuse to get people 'banned' -
.

While he and HeisH prowl the thread slapping each other on the back. Unreal.

they see that as a victory rather than engage with debate and evidence.

Oh @Magenta was so right about you!! You've been debunked so often with Scripture. People have given all kinds of evidence. Just because you ignore it doesn't mean it wasn't given.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Repent first.

Of?

 

[CommodoreTeach]

Of?

Comparing those like myself to those who caused the Jewish holocaust, for simply speaking the truth. You know what I mean. You keep denying it, but I know you know.

 

[Needevidence]

While he and HeisH prowl the thread slapping each other on the back. Unreal.





Oh @Magenta was so right about you!! You've been debunked so often with Scripture. People have given all kinds of evidence. Just because you ignore it doesn't mean it wasn't given.

LOL what!!! not at all - you clearly don’t read the posts or understand them very well - I haven’t received anything of substance from her or you – all I get is this with no evidence just comments

can’t you even give me 2 passages - how about 1 - come on you must have at least one passage to support your position – you can do it!

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Comparing those like myself to those who caused the Jewish holocaust, for simply speaking the truth. You know what I mean. You keep denying it, but I know you know.

Number 1, show me where. Number 2, I have been here a long time. And I have had issues with people and I have written to them personally to work things out. I can't PM you. You can PM me and we can hash it out. Or don't. I've apologized to people before, in PM and in this forum. But I don't see where I need to repent of anything concerning you. I didn't compare you to a Nazi. If you can find it, post it.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

LOL what!!! not at all - you clearly don’t read the posts or understand them very well - I haven’t received anything of substance from her or you – all I get is this with no evidence just comments

That's simply untrue. And @Magenta can more than bring receipts. She knows what she's talking about. I shouldn't have invoked her name. But you're lying. I have given you Scripture and outside evidence. Again, you can disagree with it, but you can't say it wasn't given, that's untrue.

can’t you even give me 2 passages - how about 1 - come on you must have at least one passage to support your position – you can do it!

I have given you passages. Go back and read it. And others have done the same thing. You know this. Denying truth doesn't change the truth.

 

[Needevidence]

That's simply untrue. And @Magenta can more than bring receipts. She knows what she's talking about. I shouldn't have invoked her name. But you're lying. I have given you Scripture and outside evidence. Again, you can disagree with it, but you can't say it wasn't given, that's untrue.



I have given you passages. Go back and read it. And others have done the same thing. You know this. Denying truth doesn't change the truth.

Weve had interaction - I have provided scriptures continuously and you have provided some that don’t assist - in any event - if I have missed it - just asking for you to provide 1 that actually helps yoru position - is that so challenging?

 

[Needevidence]

Abraham was the first one of the chosen nation. First one to be called out. Jews still circumcise today. The land promise is to the Jew, not the Gentile, not the church.

You should also note - what every you provided before is irrelevant to the discussion today albeit connected - we are talking about your point above & Genesis 17 circumcision and what evidence you have that Jews had an everlasting promise – not Abraham?

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Weve had interaction - I have provided scriptures continuously and you have provided some that don’t assist ...

Why should I provide more that you will dismiss out of hand?

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

You should also note - what every you provided before is irrelevant to the discussion today albeit connected - we are talking about your point above & Genesis 17 circumcision and what evidence you have that Jews had an everlasting promise – not Abraham?

Jews have the everlasting promise because of the Abrahamic covenant.

 

[Needevidence]

Jews have the everlasting promise because of the Abrahamic covenant.

its debating - if I dismiss, I dimsiss with a reason - where is the passage that backs your point

 

[Daisy2]

Put in motion for worldly reasons and here we are, how many people died in the 20th century,

We needed WW I to acquire the land and then WW II to set up a reason for the "state"

Middle East expansion more death and destruction, fueling terrorism.

.. indeed hindsight is 20/20

And here we are in the Greater Israel Project put into motion, how many more will die.

Of course, they are being protected by God, what a hideous lie!!

The claim that "the covenant is only for believers in the Old and New Testaments, not an ethnic group" is inaccurate. In the Old Testament, heritage and lineage was very important to God, not just faith. For example, Ruth was accepted into the Israelite line through her faith, but heritage still mattered. Many Christians, including about 73% of churchgoers in America, share the belief that the Israelites retain a special place in God’s plan. That’s why many Christians support Israel. This is a widely held understanding,


Conspiracy theories often oversimplify or exaggerate this history, reducing complex geopolitical and historical factors to claims of pure greed or secret plots. While British colonial interests were real, the creation of Israel was influenced by multiple forces including European politics, Zionist activism, the aftermath of the Holocaust, and the dynamics of the Arab world

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

The claim that "the covenant is only for believers in the Old and New Testaments, not an ethnic group" is inaccurate. In the Old Testament, heritage and lineage was very important to God, not just faith. For example, Ruth was accepted into the Israelite line through her faith, but heritage still mattered. Many Christians, including about 73% of churchgoers in America, share the belief that the Israelites retain a special place in God’s plan. That’s why many Christians support Israel. This is a widely held understanding,

This sounds like it was produced by AI. Genealogy was only important to God until Christ in whom all of the promises and prophecies are fulfilled. Genealogy is meaningless after that point.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

its debating - if I dismiss, I dimsiss with a reason - where is the passage that backs your point

If I believed you wanted to discuss, I would. But you will dismiss. I have given Scripture before. The only thing you won't dismiss is if I agree with your POV. So it's a circular argument.