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DavidLamb said:
Venerating Israel? Where are Christians told to venerate the nation of Israel? Paul, himself an Israelite, wrote to Gentile Christians:

“11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame. 12 ¶ For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. 13 For “whoever calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved.”” (Ro 10:11-13 NKJV)

As you probably know, "Greek" is often used in the New Testament to mean "Gentile." We certainly shouldn't hate others because of their nationality, but neither should we venerate them because of their nationality.

As far as I know, even in the letters to Gentile churches, Christians are not taught in the New Testament to venerate national Israel.
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I agree full heartedly with your post here. But I don't think that pointing out the truth is veneration or praying for peace.
I believe that a Christians duty is to point out that the claims of Israel are true and not fabricated.
That this is the Lords real-estate. Are we not witnesses to the truth also?
We agree that the old testament is God's word as much as the new. Same God.
To bless Israel is a blessing for us for we also are Abraham’s seed are we not.
 
wolfwint said:
We are talking not about the past. We are talking about the present. Or want you go back to the beginning of the Islam?
Or want you go back to the Roman empire?
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Some of those people are still alive so it is relevant.
 
Gideon300 said:
Rubbish. There never have been any Palestinians. There were Arabs, Jews and other races living in Israel even after Rome destroyed much of the country. Mark Twain wrote about this in around 1870. It was then a province of the Ottoman empire. The Ottomans lost control after they were defeated in WW1. Britain took control according to a UN mandate.

Jews emigrated in numbers, partly because of promises that they were to be given a homeland in Israel. Europe wanted to be rid of the Jews, just as they are antisemitic now. Jews purchased land from Arabs. It was not stolen. God brought the Jews back to Israel just as He promised. If you have an issue, take it up with God. Good luck with that, by the way.

Arabs living in the Palestine mandate area often attacked Jews. People seem to think that Jews are wimpy wierdoes with strange customs. They are gutsy and smart. They had to be to survive the regular pogroms and the holocaust. 6 million did not, of course.

You should learn some objective history instead of parroting Muslim murderers propaganda.
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You are so funny, many of the historians/political scientists who accurately depict the details of the events using primary source material are Jewish and are brilliant researchers and honest unlike the John Hagee/Charles Taze Russell (freemason) and their parrots.

You could start with Noam Chomsky ahead of his time in many things especially in understanding of the Zionist movement.
 
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Needevidence said:
I would love to know people’s opinions on how they understand these few passages;


Revelation 2:9
9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.


Revelation 3:9
9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.


Titus 1:14
14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
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I believe if you look further into the gospels you will get your answer. Jesus him self used these words against the pharisees.
Jesus said my house is a house of prayer.....later to the pharisees he said your house will be destroyed. ......Interesting.

We as Christians have the same thing going on in our assemblies false teaching, working for salvation, prosperity gospel, ect.
God detest being mis represented ask Moses.
His word of truth needs to be studied, prayed upon, meditated upon, and is not open to one's theory or reasoning.
The Word of God is a double edged sword....it can convict and heal or condemn and end. Our choice.
 
Mixing worldly things with spiritual things is spiritual fornication. The secular Israel cult loves a worldly nation. This is why they can justify violence, war and every other ungodly work to accomplish what they believe is God's will - because the love of the father is not in them.

Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 1 John 2:15​
 
HeIsHere said:
You are so funny, many of the historians/political scientists who accurately depict the details of the events using primary source material are Jewish and are brilliant researchers and honest unlike the John Hagee/Charles Taze Russell (freemason) and their parrots.

You could start with Noam Chomsky ahead of his time in many things especially in understanding of the Zionist movement.
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I prefer people like Derek Prince, Amir Tsarfati, Jack Hibbs and many others who know God and know His word concerning Israel. For current events in Israel, I listen to Yair Pinto and Mati Soshani as well as others who live in Israel and have first hand knowledge of events there.

You can twist the truth all you like. It does not change to suit you.
 
Gideon300 said:
No liars will be found in God's kingdom. Spreading anti Israel lies is pretty dumb, if you want to enter God's kingdom.

Hunger in Gaza is entirely the fault of Hamas and its proxy, the UN. Until recently, there was a vast amount of aid waiting to be distributed. It sat there in the sun because Hamas demanded that the aid be distributed by them. Why? So they could weaponise it, sell it instead of giving it and take it to feed its fighters. Israel wisely refused to comply.

There are few innocent civilians in Gaza. They are complicit in Hamas violence. Why does anyone pity Gazans? They have reaped what they have sown. Children are different. However, their parents brainwash them to hate Jews from infancy. You do know what "Death to the Jews" and "From the river to the sea" means?
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https://twitter.com/x/status/1934009482557698291

So outrageous are your comments, it is the Jewish people who have the boat tours where they cheer the bombs and death.

It is Israel (not to be confused with the Covenant Israel of scripture) who created an occupied people, and created an apartheid state, and is now starving the population against international law.
It is Israel that displaced the indigenous people by force.
It is Israel that has the plans for resorts and the Greater Israel project which includes parts of Lebanon Syria and Egypt.

Sell it to whom, so ridiculous, Gaza has been leveled, there are no churches, no schools, no nothing, just people barely surviving.
You can barely defend the children and the babies. Appalling.
 
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ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
Mixing worldly things with spiritual things is spiritual fornication. The secular Israel cult loves a worldly nation. This is why they can justify violence, war and every other ungodly work to accomplish what they believe is God's will - because the love of the father is not in them.

Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 1 John 2:15​
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I love God and his word. I love truth. The world hates Israel. That is surely evidence that God is still the God of Israel. You join with the world to condemn Israel. What does that make you?
 
Gideon300 said:
I prefer people like Derek Prince, Amir Tsarfati, Jack Hibbs and many others who know God and know His word concerning Israel. For current events in Israel, I listen to Yair Pinto and Mati Soshani as well as others who live in Israel and have first hand knowledge of events there.

You can twist the truth all you like. It does not change to suit you.
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Sell outs all of them, propaganda outlets financed by Israel, find real people who have not sold out.
Sorry, but true.
 
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HeIsHere said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1934009482557698291

So outrageous are your comments, it is the Jewish people who have the boat tours where they cheer the bombs and death.

It is Israel (not to be confused with the Covenant Israel of scripture) who created an occupied people, and created an apartheid state, and is now starving the population against international law.
It is Israel that displaced the indigenous people by force.
It is Israel that has the plans for resorts and the Greater Israel project which includes parts of Lebanon Syria and Egypt.

Sell it to whom, so ridiculous, Gaza has been leveled, there are no churches, no schools, no nothing, just people barely surviving.
You can barely defend the children and the babies. Appalling.
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A complete fabrication. There is no apartheid state. 2 Million Arabs live in Israel out of a population of 2 million. There are Arabs in parliament, in the IDF, who serve as judges and who vote. Tell me how many Jews live in the Middle East? Tell me about the dhimmi principle that is part of the Qu'ran. Tell me about the jizyah tax that allows non Muslims to live if they pay up. Tell me why it is illegal for Christians to preach the gospel to Muslims. Christians in Egypt, about 10% of the population, are treated as second class citizens. Children of Christian families are automatically considered Muslim.

You know why Gaza has been leveled, of course. Even you are not that stupid. That's what happens when tunnels are dug under properties and when buildings are used as firing positions by Hamas terrorists. Even Gazans are fed up with Hamas stonewalling. Oh, you do remember who started this catastrophe?

Israel provided a two state solution by giving Gaza self government. Israel provided electricity and water, even though there was no obligation. They gave work to Gazans. Do you know how much money has been poured into Gaza over the years? Do you know where it went? To fund Hamas mostly. Your hostility to Israel is baseless.

Why should Israel lift a finger to help Gazans? I don't see the Arabs rushing to help either. The time to rebuild Gaza is when Hamas no longer exists as a force. Hopefully Israel will wall the place off and leave them to sort out the mess they've made for themselves. Maybe they will learn something.
 
Gideon300 said:
You plainly do not recognize the Spirit of God in His people. I wonder why.
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Did you watch the boat tour and them cheering destruction?
so we can we say you clearly deny scripture?

But a Jew is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter. His praise is not from man but from God.
Romans 2:29
 
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Leastofall said:
I believe if you look further into the gospels you will get your answer. Jesus him self used these words against the pharisees.
Jesus said my house is a house of prayer.....later to the pharisees he said your house will be destroyed. ......Interesting.

We as Christians have the same thing going on in our assemblies false teaching, working for salvation, prosperity gospel, ect.
God detest being mis represented ask Moses.
His word of truth needs to be studied, prayed upon, meditated upon, and is not open to one's theory or reasoning.
The Word of God is a double edged sword....it can convict and heal or condemn and end. Our choice.
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That doesn’t reply to the understanding of those passages - Pharisees (included Levites & Judah) 'house is left unto you desolate' - would that also fit Rev 'Jews' too?
 
Needevidence said:
That doesn’t reply to the understanding of those passages - Pharisees (included Levites & Judah) 'house is left unto you desolate' - would that also fit Rev 'Jews' too?
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Well if you mean the 144 thousand no they are sealed with the name of God on forehead.
 
Needevidence said:
Revelation 2:9
9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.


Revelation 3:9
9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.


Titus 1:14
14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
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John was writing Jesus's Words to the CHURCHES, NOT to the Jews.
Some "Christians", even here, are of the synagogue of Satan, and say they are Jews, but are not.
 
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ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
Then what's the answer to the question? You won't be able to answer it either because the spirit in you won't let you.
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Gods will on all the earth is to save as many as possible from the final judgment that must take place.
His Righteousness is found in his mercy and long suffering. His word are also his promises that will not pass until all is fulfilled.
What started in Israel will end in israel.
Scripture tells us that its not the outward appearance but the inward that determines a jew the same can be said of a Christian.
It's the heart of the matter. ..as the lord always points to the heart.
Now to answer your question as you say the spirit won't let me directly.....will all Israel be saved .....yes....are all jews Israel..... no.
The same can be said for Christians can it not?
This goes right along with......Love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind, and might. And love your neighbor as yourself.
the fulfillment of the all the commandments.
We must stop thinking all jews are all the same. Jesus clearly exposed this when he came the first time. That has been my message to all that will hear it.
 
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