The purpose of tongues at Pentecost and perhaps for a while longer was to fulfill prophecy and ensure the survival of the first baptist church, but that gift apparently ceased after the apostolic era and was perverted by some into mere babbling.
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The purpose of tongues at Pentecost and perhaps for a while longer was to fulfill prophecy and ensure the survival of the first baptist church, but that gift apparently ceased after the apostolic era and was perverted by some into mere babbling.
"What a foolish thing to say, we are born of water when we are born of the womb."
You don't know what you're talking about which is why Oneness Pentecostal is a lost cause.
Read the book of Joel. All the way through. Stop picking out parts of the Bible to base your religion around and read it in it's full context. Fanatics are a danger to the church of Christ. No man can be resurrected without the Holy Spirit. It ain't up to you. It was poured out onto all mankind on the Day of Pentecost in order to accomplish final Judgment. You weren't here when sin entered the world nor were you here when grace entered the world. You're trying to do Gods job for Him.
The OT Shema (Deut. 6:4) teaches that God is one, and the NT also affirms that there is one God (Eph. 4:6, 1Tim. 2:5). However, the NT teaches that God relates to believers in three ways simultaneously: as the Father, as the Son and as the Holy Spirit (1 x 1 x 1=1).
The Father/Parenthood of God is indicated in Jesus’ model prayer (Matt. 6:9), throughout the Gospel of John (John 3:35, 5:17-18, etc.), and in the epistles of Paul (Rom. 4:11, 8:15, Phil. 2:11). God the Father and Christ’s Sonship are discussed in Hebrews 1:1-4. The Son of God also is mentioned by John (John 1:14, 3:16, etc.) and by Paul (Rom. 1:4, Gal. 2:20, 1Thes. 1:10). The Holy Spirit is mentioned in the birth narratives (Matt. & Luke) three successive chapters in John (John 14:26, 15:26, 16:13), frequently in the book of Acts (Acts 1:5, 2:4, 9:17, 13:2, 19:2), and in many of Paul’s letters (Rom. 8:4-26, 1CR 6:19, Eph. 4:30) as well as in some of the other epistles (2Pet. 1:21, Jude 20).
It might be helpful for those who are confused about the Trinity to discern which aspect/person of the triune God is the subject of various biblical statements. These persons in the Godhead may be distinguished by role: God the Father as creator or initiator (Gen. 1:1), God the Son as Messiah or mediator (1Tim. 2:5), and God the Spirit as indweller (Rom. 5:5). For example, 1 John 4:7 says love comes from (is initiated by) God (the Father), Galatians 5:22 says that love is a fruit of the (indwelling) Spirit, and Ephesians 3:18 speaks of the (mediating) love of Christ (Rom. 5:8, Eph. 2:18).
We can denote these distinctions by the use of three prepositions: God the Father is over all creation (Eph. 4:6), God the Son is Immanuel or with humanity (Matt. 1:23), and the Holy Spirit is within all believers (Eph. 1:13). A single passage that comes closest to indicating this distinction is Ephesians 3:14-19, in which Paul prays to the Father that through His Spirit of love Christ would dwell in believers’ hearts (also see 1Cor. 8:6).
When the Bible uses masculine words for God, it should be understood that only God the Son is human and had a sexual orientation while on earth. Gen. 1:26-27 states that both male and female were created in God’s image, referring not to androgyny but to personality, and Jesus said (in Matt. 22:30 & 19:11-12) that there is no marriage and thus no need for sexuality in heaven.
Amen re "read GW in its full context"! (water = womb)
Don't be biblically myopic!
What does HIS WORD SAY?
Acts 2:38-39
King James Version
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
1 Timothy 3:16
King James Version
16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
Colossians 2:9
King James Version
9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
You're preaching to the wrong person. I know what a womb is. I know what pouring out unto all mankind means. I know that we must be born of the water, simply to be alive in the first place and I also know that on the Day of Pentecost a prophecy was fulfilled that NO MAN can fulfill LEST HE SHOULD BOAST. If people want o get wet and feel good about their new decision to be religious, that's up to them. But, I choose not to steal Gods glory. And no, my wife doesn't sport denim skirts and a glory bun.
I already replied to this in #492, but you seem bound and determined to avoid dialogue at all costs,
preferring instead myopic monologue.
Note that I was amening to you and preaching to Ouch!
I like denim skirts and this definition of a glory bun per google:
A "Glory Bun" is a type of spiced bun, specifically a recipe for simple currant spiced buns that became popular during WWII due to their deliciousness and economical nature. These buns are described as "absolutely tasty and yummy and easy to make", leading their creator to call them "glorious". They represent a simple yet satisfying treat that could be enjoyed even during wartime rationing and hardship.
That was accomplished on the Day of Pentecost. You had nothing to do with it. It is His Spirit of grace that entered the world through One man and gave new life to humanity in love. The Day of Pentecost was the baptism of mankind with His Spirit of grace just as the Great Flood was a baptism of the Earth itself. As sin through one man entered the world, through ONE MAN came the Holy Spirit. And it wasn't you. Now, it is by your faith that you walk according to that Spirit. As the Spirit gives utterance, allowance, guidance or whatever you need to help you through this world. He is that still small voice that you heard before you even acknowledged Him. He stands at the door knocking. He's not lost. There's nothing to find. There's nothing to perform. There's really not even anything to say. Frankly, man should just shut up and let God be God and quit trying to add things to His purpose. Abraham believed and it was counted as righteousness. God hasn't changed. Your obedience is far greater than anything you could do in a performative way. Thank God He poured out His Spirit for us once for all, because no man has enough sense to behave on his own.
I figured as much, just clarifying. I did a roofing job for a Pentecostal once. He had his 16 year old daughter on the roof in a full length denim skirt tearing off shingles, barking orders and disrespecting his other workers all day. I'd finally had enough. He was a huge moose, but, I knew God had me on this one. I knew another in the church who made his daughter wear dresses to school and refused to allow her to dress in a gym suit because it showed her skin. Well, rope climbing time came. I was raised in that church and as far as I'm concerned, they blaspheme the Holy Spirit every time they call on the Holy Spirit to come down and fill this place so we can speak in tongues and prove to the world that "we got this down". Foolishness. "Where two or three are gathered in my name, I am in their midst". He doesn't need help. That's why He did what He did. For our good for His glory. EZ PZ. Jesus clearly didn't need Peters help when the centurions came for Him. But, ol' Petey the helper boy couldn't resist "helping" with his sword of death. We all know how that turned out. He could have called 10,000 soldiers to come kick the crap out of them. ONE MAN. So weird to me how they call Jesus only, but, then add things along the way. As if His promises aren't enough.
As for the buns, I've never tasted one. Sounds good. But, I don't think it would be appropriate to be nibbling on somebody's hair during service.
I would fine-tune what you are saying thusly:
Pentecost signified that God graces all of humanity with the opportunity to have eternal life in Christ.
The Flood was the first judgment of earthlings who ignore GW, and the Fire will be the last judgment.
I agree re Pentecostal dress codes; my wife transitioned from knee-length in HS to mini-skirts by the time she graduated from college.
I also agree re not wanting to eat hairy buns.
Apart from the flood being a judgement rather than a baptism, I would agree. But, by the same token, I could promote baptism as a form of judgment. Were we not all baptized by His Spirit due to our own sin? I certainly wouldn't have chosen good over evil as in my flesh. But, there by the grace of God, go I.
I asked these questions to make you look in HIS word for an answer.
1. How do we get rid of our sins?
2. Why would you say we all have been filled with the Holy Ghost on the day of Pentecost?
3. have you been baptized in JESUS name?
"It was poured out onto all mankind on the Day of Pentecost in order to accomplish final Judgment"
PROVE IT.
JESUS IS GOD.
I like letting his word do the talking.
Isaiah 28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
John 1:1 plus 10-12
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
John 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days ((( I will raise it up.)))
Look here, JESUS speaking to Nicodemus. JESUS is ON the earth and he is also in Heaven!!
John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
John 10:30 I and my Father are one.
John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord:
Revelation 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Revelation 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
Revelation 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
Verses that JESUS spoke and those that GOD spoke.
JESUS IS COMING
1 Thess 3:11-13, Matthew 25:31-46, Titus 2:11-13
GOD IS COMING
Zechariah 14:4,5, 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18, Revelation 19:11, 16
JESUS THE CREATOR
John 1:10, 1 cor 8:6, Ephesians 3:9, Col. 1:12-17, Hebrews 1:8-12, Revelation 4:8-11, 10:6, 14:6-7, 21:5-7, 22:3.
GOD THE CREATOR
Genesis 1:1, 2:7, Job 33:4, Psalm 33:6, 104:30, I sa 40:28, 44:24, 45:11-18, Mal 2:10
JESUS THE ROCK
1 Thess 3:11-13, Matt 25:31-46, Titus 2:11-13
GOD THE ROCK
Deut 32:1-4, 2 Samuel 22:1-3, 22:32, Psalm 18:2, 31:3, 78:34-35, 89:26, Isaiah 17:10-11
JESUS THE REDEEMER AND SAVIOR
1 John 4:14, 1 Peter 2:21-24, Acts 20:28, Gal 3:13, Luke 24:21-29, 2:10-11, Philippians 3:20, 1 Timothy 1:1-3, 4:10, Tutus 1:1-4, 2:10-13, 1 Peter 1:10-11, Jude 25
GOD THE REDEEMER AND SAVIOR
Psalm 78:34-35, I Isaiah 47:4, 44:6, 43:3-11, 45:21, 49:26, Psalm 106:21, Luke 1:46-47
JESUS FIRST AND LAST
Revelation 1:17, 22:13
GOD FIRST AND LAST
Isaiah 41:4, 43:10-11, 44:6-8
JESUS THE SHEPHERD
John 10:8-12, 1 Peter 2:21-25, Hebrews 13:20, 1 peter 5:4
GOD THE SHEPHERD
Psalm 23, Isaiah 40:10-11, Psalm 100
JESUS THE I AM AND I AM HE
John 18:5-8, 8:24-28, Revelation 1:17-18,
GOD THE I AM AND I AM HE
Exodus 3:13-14, Isaiah 43:10-11 and 25.
JESUS THE KING
Matthew 2:1-6, Luke 19:32-28, 23:3, John 18:37, 19:21, 1 Timothy 6:13-16, Revelation 15:1-4, 19:11-16
GOD THE KING
Psalm 24, 44:4, 74:12, Isaiah 43:10-15, 44:6-8, Jeremiah 10:10, Zechaniah 14:9