His People He foreknew !

[brightfame52]

You know, this includes all people born of flesh and blood in the lineage of Adam the first, to receive Adam the Second in belief it is all taken out of the way for us to be new in love and mercy too. The same as Son did, going to that cross once for us all to see it, believe it and become it in truth from Father, revealing the risen Son for our new life to begin in eternity too, to us all. All are called. I do not know how many will choose, I do know God is fair to us all, beyond human being understanding.
John 4:23-24

Huh ? You lost me

 

[Burn1986]

Maybe this will help some of the pre-destination guys https://youtube.com/shorts/2WfaQnpvlVA?si=auV7QdhkdOk4CxyK

 

[John146]

Maybe this will help some of the pre-destination guys https://youtube.com/shorts/2WfaQnpvlVA?si=auV7QdhkdOk4CxyK

This guy starts out by quoting an OT passage concerning the nation of Israel.

 

[Burn1986]

This guy starts out by quoting an OT passage concerning the nation of Israel.

Well Jeremiah 29:11, talking about future plans. Just a plain and simple message of hope in the future.

 

[Burn1986]

Yes, God knew us before we were born and He pre-destined us according to His will to be adopted as sons. And if we were God we would know what comes next or who would be saved. But we aren’t God. There is a mystery to God, that each individual must work out in a different, personal relationship with Him. Yes we have fellowship with Him and He lights our path. But we have to hear God daily moment to moment. How do we know that the person He brings across our path is a an angel, or just a person in need, or someone who will become the next Billy Graham. We don’t. So we get close to God and try to hear his voice in order to have an impact on those in our circle (family, friends, acquaintances, ministry, etc). Knowing that God foreknew us is meant as encouragement and shows the depth of God and the depth of His love for us. It also shows the Heavenly mindedness of God and that His ways are higher than ours.

 

[Inquisitor]

If His Justice is not satisfied, then He contradicts Himself. He demands perfect justice and He achieved it with His divine plan. None of His attributes are compromised by saving a wretched sinner like me. The Bible speaks of mysteries, and this side of glory we strain to comprehend , but in the end it involves a great degree of trust, on our part.

Sipsey, God should have damned you but He did not.

I believe you when you say you are a wretched sinner; there are people I know where that is not an idle boast.

You call it a mystery and in your case that is very clear; how did you escape His justice?

His perfect justice was deeply compromised in your case.

The only possible answer must be Jesus took that justice upon Himself, for you Sipsey.

That's the only possible way that a perfect justice could be served.

 

[Inquisitor]

But the passage is speaking specifically of the nation of Israel. Christians, after the cross, were not foreknown of God being in Christ. That's not in scripture. We are known of God as one of his, the moment we trust the gospel of Jesus Christ.

"But now...after that ye...are known of God..."

Galatians 4:
8 Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.
9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?

There is a bit more to this concept of knowing God.

The Gentiles Paul said did not know God and had no hope but God knew the royal nation, Israel.

But should a Gentile become a Christian then they are known by God.

Here is where the scripture qualifies this "knowing God".

1 John 4:7
Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God.

1 John 4:8
The one who does not love does not know God, for God is love.

So how do you reconcile Galatians 4:9 with 1 John 4:8 or 1 John 4:7?

 

[Inquisitor]

@Inquisitor



False it is about individual election to salvation, even the corporate understanding is comprised of single individuals, each single individual was particularly chosen by God to comprise the Church, the Body of Christ, the body of called out ones. Each member is grafted in by Faith from unbelief 23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again. Rom 11

Don't say it's false Brightfame when the majority of scholars disagree with you.

Don't say it's false when even AI reads the text (Romans) and concludes a corporate election.

Don't say it's false when you know the majority of folk who study Romans, can see a corporate election.

Brightflame, your pay level is not high enough to call the shots on other interpretations.

Don't say it's false rather that you disagree is wiser.

 

[brightfame52]

Don't say it's false Brightfame when the majority of scholars disagree with you.

Don't say it's false when even AI reads the text (Romans) and concludes a corporate election.

Don't say it's false when you know the majority of folk who study Romans, can see a corporate election.

Brightflame, your pay level is not high enough to call the shots on other interpretations.

Don't say it's false rather that you disagree is wiser.

It is false, for the corporate view affirms individual election because its the assembling of individuals. Its His Church. Church means:

ekklēsia :

a gathering of citizens called out from their homes into some public place, an assembly

1. an assembly of the people convened at the public place of the council for the purpose of deliberating
2. the assembly of the Israelites
3. any gathering or throng of men assembled by chance, tumultuously

The gathering together of the children of God Jn 11 52

52 And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.

Now these are individuals gathered together

 

[brightfame52]

@Inquisitor

Don't say it's false when even AI reads the text (Romans) and concludes a corporate election.

Don't say it's false when you know the majority of folk who study Romans, can see a corporate election.

Romans emphasizes the individual members of that spiritual corporation Rom 12

4 For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office:

5 So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.

 

[Sipsey]

Sipsey, God should have damned you but He did not.

I believe you when you say you are a wretched sinner; there are people I know where that is not an idle boast.

You call it a mystery and in your case that is very clear; how did you escape His justice?

His perfect justice was deeply compromised in your case.

The only possible answer must be Jesus took that justice upon Himself, for you Sipsey.

That's the only possible way that a perfect justice could be served.

Aren’t we saying the same thing, in different ways?

 

[Burn1986]

Here is another one explaining that nothing can stop God’s will for us

 

[greenonions]

If you believe God Loves everyone, I think you are deceived friend.

Do you believe that God loves anyone who is not predestined to be saved?
Do you believe that God loves His enemies, or does Jesus just require us to do so?

 

[brightfame52]

Do you believe that God loves anyone who is not predestined to be saved?
Do you believe that God loves His enemies, or does Jesus just require us to do so?

God loves them He has saved and whom He foreknew.. Anyone damned for their sins, going to hell, God did not love,never knew them like that Matt 7:23

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

 

[Komentaja]

His People He foreknew were appointed heirs in Him and with Him; and we were loved as personally considered in Him. He was the comprehending Head in whom were embraced all the members.

Christ as the Head of Election, was appointed Head heir of all things Heb 1:2

2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

By Eternal Union with Christ, the foreknown ones were Co Heirs with Christ having been Chosen in Him Rom 8:17

And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs[Union] with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

Remember these[joint-heirs with Christ] are the same ones Paul says a few verses later Rom 8:28-29

28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

So His People He foreknew Rom 11:2 were Joint Heirs with Christ Rom 8:17 and this before the foundation, For Christ made the Worlds, and He was their Head then Col 1:17-18

17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

Prov 8:22

22 The Lord possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.

Thank you for this nugget. I had only considered foreknew as looking into the future and seeing things.

 

[Komentaja]

If you believe God Loves everyone, I think you are deceived friend.

It is a common belief today in our "God loves you and has a wonderful plan for your life" watered down message.

God for sure does not love those who are in hell, or anyone who does not obey the son:

"Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them. "

 

[Komentaja]

Don't say it's false when even AI reads the text (Romans) and concludes a corporate election.

The demons read it and conclude corporate election? I don't know. That could be evidence for individual election lol. I wouldn't trust AI in bible study. Look at who owns those companies, secular sodomites

 

[Burn1986]

God loves them He has saved and whom He foreknew.. Anyone damned for their sins, going to hell, God did not love,never knew them like that Matt 7:23

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

The question is, how do you discern who is damned and who is chosen?

 

[brightfame52]

It is a common belief today in our "God loves you and has a wonderful plan for your life" watered down message.

God for sure does not love those who are in hell, or anyone who does not obey the son:

"Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them. "

Correct, because those who God foreknew He foreloved and that will result in them sooner or later loving God which presupposes obeying Him 1 Jn 4:19

We love him, because he first loved us.

The prep because is the greek word hoti and its meaning is causative

1. that, because, since

Strong’s Definitions [?](Strong’s Definitions Legend)
ὅτι hóti, hot'-ee; neuter of G3748 as conjunction; demonstrative, that (sometimes redundant); causative, because:—as concerning that, as though, because (that), for (that), how (that), (in) that, though, why.

Those God love will be given in regeneration a circumcised heart which causes them to Love Him, because they are seed Deut 30:6

And the Lord thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.

 

[brightfame52]

The question is, how do you discern who is damned and who is chosen?

I dont and cant discern that. Now if a person comes to believe in Jesus, the True Jesus that is, there is a good hope they are chosen. And if they are chosen they will eventually be brought to the Truth 2 Thess 2:13-14

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.