Is masturbation really a sin?

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

Thank you for your input about this topic! I've spoken out about this before and I was just not in the mood to do it this time lol.
I've heard Christians tell other Christians that they are going to hell for self pleasure. That really gets on my nerves. They have no right to do that.
Or that Christians who have this input have a problem, etc. etc.
Well, I think your input is refreshing! Much appreciated!

Really??? Even with all those Bible verses that God put in His word??? All the things Jesus and Paul and Peter said about it in His word???? That God doesn't want it for us? God even gave the solution to this problem - His Holy Spirit - but you think He can't overcome this problem?

No, her input is NOT refreshing - it is a sinful BONDAGE. Why would you encourage another Christian to be bound to a sin that will ultimately harm them? Especially when God already provided a powerful and godly solution - His Holy Spirit?




PS: Not surprised about your attitude to this post.

 

[Suze]

Lasciviousness or sexual immorality is in the Bible and masturbation falls under that category.

Jesus talks about in Mark 7:20-23

20 He went on: “What comes out of a person is what defiles them. 21 For it is from within, out of a person’s heart, that evil thoughts come—sexual immorality, theft, murder, 22 adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. 23 All these evils come from inside and defile a person.”


Paul also says that it is a work of the flesh and against the leading of the Holy Spirit: Galatians 5:19-21

19 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.


Even Peter threw in his two cents about the matter: 1 Peter 4:1-5

1 Therefore, since Christ suffered in his body, arm yourselves also with the same attitude, because whoever suffers in the body is done with sin. 2 As a result, they do not live the rest of their earthly lives for evil human desires, but rather for the will of God. 3 For you have spent enough time in the past doing what pagans choose to do—living in debauchery, lust, drunkenness, orgies, carousing and detestable idolatry. 4 They are surprised that you do not join them in their reckless, wild living, and they heap abuse on you. 5 But they will have to give account to him who is ready to judge the living and the dead.


So masturbation is in the Bible under these categories and in every case, it's against what God wants for His people. God considers it a pagan activity and not something to continued if you made Jesus your Lord and Savior.





It sounds like you yourself have a problem with masturbation, but the Bible doesn't see your solution as the right and godly answer. You need to give your problem to the Holy Spirit and let Him help you overcome this ungodly and pagan activity.

' Evil human desires ' what is evil about sexual desire ? It is totally natural . I have no problem with masturbation , I'm happily married and have been for many years . In the old testament , God gives us a very comprehensive list of sexual sins . Masturbation isn't there .
I don't feel that it is right for me to condemn someone for masturbation when the Bible doesn't . Married people have an outlet for their natural sexual desires , those who never get the opportunity to marry ? What r they supposed to do ? They have the same desires as married people , they r human beings . It's not my place to condemn them . U may do so if u wish , that's your prerogative . We all need to b careful how we judge others as we ourselves will b judged . We may not all commit the same sins but , we all certainly do sin .

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

' Evil human desires ' what is evil about sexual desire ? It is totally natural . I have no problem with masturbation , I'm happily married and have been for many years . In the old testament , God gives us a very comprehensive list of sexual sins . Masturbation isn't there .
I don't feel that it is right for me to condemn someone for masturbation when the Bible doesn't . Married people have an outlet for their natural sexual desires , those who never get the opportunity to marry ? What r they supposed to do ? They have the same desires as married people , they r human beings . It's not my place to condemn them . U may do so if u wish , that's your prerogative . We all need to b careful how we judge others as we ourselves will b judged . We may not all commit the same sins but , we all certainly do sin .

No thanks to any of your rationalizing that sin. I'm not here for that.

Christians are suppose to watch out for each other and encourage each other to overcome sins - NOT ENCOURAGE them to continue in them. That is true love for God's children.

You saying "It's not my place to condemn them" is just you not wanting to be hated for warning other Christians not to sin and not mindful at all about what God thinks. Why would I want to do that when God is ever before me??? When I answer to Him and not anybody else??? If God is really your God, you would think about Him and the safety and godliness of His children before your own reputation.

 

[CarriePie]

No thanks to any of your rationalizing that sin. I'm not here for that.

Christians are suppose to watch out for each other and encourage each other to overcome sins - NOT ENCOURAGE them to continue in them. That is true love for God's children.

You saying "It's not my place to condemn them" is just you not wanting to be hated for warning other Christians not to sin and not mindful at all about what God thinks. Why would I want to do that when God is ever before me??? When I answer to Him and not anybody else??? If God is really your God, you would think about Him and the safety and godliness of His children before your own reputation.

I don't see anywhere where Suze encouraged masturbation

And then you are questioning whether God is really her God...despicable.
I highly doubt she is concerned about her reputation commenting on a thread such as this, on this site that is not something you do when you are thinking of your reputation...as we can see in this thread.

There are Christians who have differing beliefs than you on this topic and other topics, that does not mean they are bad Christians.

For example, here is an article by a Christian who also doesn't believe it is a sin.

https://www.vividchristianity.com/MasturbationIsNotASin.htm

PS: Not surprised about your attitude to this post.

I can just imagine why.

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

I don't see anywhere where Suze encouraged masturbation

And then you are questioning whether God is really her God...despicable.
I highly doubt she is concerned about her reputation commenting on a thread such as this, on this site that is not something you do when you are thinking of your reputation...as we can see in this thread.

There are Christians who have differing beliefs than you on this topic and other topics, that does not mean they are bad Christians.

For example, here is an article by a Christian who also doesn't believe it is a sin.

https://www.vividchristianity.com/MasturbationIsNotASin.htm


I can just imagine why.

An article from a Christian vs. what the Bible says about sexual immorality (which masturbation falls under)? I wonder which would have more weight God's eyes? Especially when He gives us the Holy Spirit as the answer to all our problems. Who's opinion should I care about more? Hmmm....

 

[CarriePie]

Oh, I should listen to you as a Christian? Or to him as a Christian?

Are you saying that gentleman doesn't have the Holy Spirit?

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

Oh, I should listen to you as a Christian? Or to him as a Christian?

Are you saying that gentleman doesn't have the Holy Spirit?

Why not listen to what God says in the Bible and let the Holy Spirit help you in all the situations you face? That's why God gave us the Bible and the Holy Spirit to us in the first place.

You keep placing too much faith in other people and not what the Bible says or the Holy Spirit who is the very answer to overcoming any sin whether you think it's a sin or not.

 

[CarriePie]

Why not listen to what God says in the Bible and let the Holy Spirit help you in all the situations you face? That's why God gave us the Bible and the Holy Spirit to us in the first place.

You keep placing too much faith in other people and not what the Bible says or the Holy Spirit who is the very answer to overcoming any sin whether you think it's a sin or not.

You probably didn't even read the article.

You say not to listen to another Christian...yet you want me to listen to you (you are other people too). Ha!

I seek the Lord for guidance. And just because I might read articles, doesn't mean I don't seek the Lord's guidance about all topics. If we weren't supposed to listen to other Christians, then why go listen to a preacher or read Christian articles or what-have-you. Of course, we seek the Lord's guidance first.

You can miss me with your judgemental attitude.

 

[MsMediator]

' Evil human desires ' what is evil about sexual desire ? It is totally natural . I have no problem with masturbation , I'm happily married and have been for many years . In the old testament , God gives us a very comprehensive list of sexual sins . Masturbation isn't there .
I don't feel that it is right for me to condemn someone for masturbation when the Bible doesn't . Married people have an outlet for their natural sexual desires , those who never get the opportunity to marry ? What r they supposed to do ? They have the same desires as married people , they r human beings . It's not my place to condemn them . U may do so if u wish , that's your prerogative . We all need to b careful how we judge others as we ourselves will b judged . We may not all commit the same sins but , we all certainly do sin .

You are calling it deviant and sinful.

I don't see anywhere where Suze encouraged masturbation

And then you are questioning whether God is really her God...despicable.
I highly doubt she is concerned about her reputation commenting on a thread such as this, on this site that is not something you do when you are thinking of your reputation...as we can see in this thread.

There are Christians who have differing beliefs than you on this topic and other topics, that does not mean they are bad Christians.

For example, here is an article by a Christian who also doesn't believe it is a sin.

https://www.vividchristianity.com/MasturbationIsNotASin.htm


I can just imagine why.

This author should be read with great caution:

https://www.vividchristianity.com/SexOutsideOfMarriageIsNotAlwaysASin.htm

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

You probably didn't even read the article.

You say not to listen to another Christian...yet you want me to listen to you (you are other people too). Ha!

I seek the Lord for guidance. And just because I might read articles, doesn't mean I don't seek the Lord's guidance about all topics. If we weren't supposed to listen to other Christians, then why go listen to a preacher or read Christian articles or what-have-you. Of course, we seek the Lord's guidance first.

You can miss me with your judgemental attitude.

*Shrug* I know you're trying hard to shame me, but I honestly don't care what you think. If you think masturbation isn't a sin and encourage other people to continue to engage in it rather than have the Holy Spirit help overcome it, then I'm completely fine not being associated with you.

 

[Daisy2]

Repressed sexual desire is surely a cause of sexual deviancies . I hate to b so crude but must b better for a person to release those urges in private and alone than to keep it all in and have it come out in some sort of abhorrent or violent way ? Better to hurt yourself than to hurt someone else .

It would be okay—possibly if masturbation were only a bodily function rather than one linked to pornography but it isn't. I read a psychological study on stimuli a couple years ago about how the images have to be more severe to trigger the same reaction in the person which can lead people to very disturbing content on the web. And it’s becoming common for men to have ED in real-life relationships because their stimuli isn’t triggered, as pornography rewires the brain. They have not done a study on why people do violent acts, but I think pornography's contributes to at least 90% of them.

In adulthood, this is what gets us motivated as young adults. God made us this way to procreate and drive us. People are most active between their teens and thirties because of it and its no wonder its often the hardest and most creative parts of our lives but it is just a season. Ecc 3:1

 

[Blade]

Excuse the crude nature of this post, I just have really been struggling with this lately. Is it a sin? Where is the line drawn?

It matters not what I say yes or no. Like the song "I AM your savior and redeemer who bore the sins of man the author and profector begging and the end yes I am." Like a old song "if you done it and wonder what to do go to Jesus He will make you brand new." Granted it was to girls yet applies to us all. Its about HIM aka Christ.

Were all human and there is nature and the fall of man God knows this. Its what in the heart is what matters.

 

[Daisy2]

I think we all know its wrong and none of us wants to and no one that is feed lies because of their i ears iching ears

Thank you for your input about this topic! I've spoken out about this before and I was just not in the mood to do it this time lol.
I've heard Christians tell other Christians that they are going to hell for self pleasure. That really gets on my nerves. They have no right to do that.
Or that Christians who have this input have a problem, etc. etc.
Well, I think your input is refreshing! Much appreciated!

We all know what’s right, and none of us wants to be fed lies just because our ears are itching for something pleasant. Ignoring the truth when it’s uncomfortable, and seeking voices that simply confirm our desires, is wrong, Real growth comes when we seek truth even when it not what one want to hear—and have the courage to admit our faults instead of making excuses

 

[CS1]

So , does that mean that all married people only have sex because of 1. pornography 2. sexual addiction . 3. abuse ?

Listen, sexual relationships are as God ordained them to be, not the current culture. Sex outside of marriage is

1 Fornication Gods standard, not mine.

2. Sex while married with a person other than your wife or husband is Adultery. God's standard, not mine.

3. Masturbation is not sex; it is a sexual action that one has with oneself because they are bound by lust or perversion.

Masturbation is the effect of something, not the cause.

A married man can be bound by pornography and lust. So can women. That is not to say it is ok.
The assumption that one has sex when they are married because of lust and porn is ridiculous.

BUT know this: Married people have freedom in the wedding chamber that God doesn't even enter, nor is it defiled.


Homosexuals can have that; unmarried people can't have that. What I am doing is nobody's business as a married man.

The world wants what married people have, but does not do what God requires.

Those who marry just for sex are getting married for the wrong reasons. However, God expects that once you are married, you stay married. So make sure the reason why you get married is not based on the needs of the flesh.

I am not speaking on those who have married and remarried; that is between them and God. And God does forgive.

 

[CS1]

Oh gosh ! How do I know ? I'm not an expert , I just know that the Bible ( God's Word ) does not say it's a sin . What if one spouse is unable to have sex ? What if a person never gets the chance to marry ? There r a million different scenarios , all is know is that God is very clear about the things that r sinful and masturbation isn't on the list .

The word of God doesn't need to say it is a sin. The very action speaks for itself. The excuse of "What if it doesn't say it?" will not change God's position on the topic.

Sex outside marriage is sin. Is masturbation sex with a married person or by yourself? It's sin.

Fornication is sex before marriage; it's a sin. Sex with anyone other than your married wife or husband is adultery.
By that standard, is masturbation closer to sex in marriage or closer to sex outside of marriage?



Can anyone discern truth from God's word?

 

[Suze]

It would be okay—possibly if masturbation were only a bodily function rather than one linked to pornography but it isn't. I read a psychological study on stimuli a couple years ago about how the images have to be more severe to trigger the same reaction in the person which can lead people to very disturbing content on the web. And it’s becoming common for men to have ED in real-life relationships because their stimuli isn’t triggered, as pornography rewires the brain. They have not done a study on why people do violent acts, but I think pornography's contributes to at least 90% of them.

In adulthood, this is what gets us motivated as young adults. God made us this way to procreate and drive us. People are most active between their teens and thirties because of it and its no wonder its often the hardest and most creative parts of our lives but it is just a season. Ecc 3:1

People have been masturbating long before pornography I'm guessing they just used their imagination and I'm guessing that lots of people don't access pornography but do masturbate . I despise pornography and their is no defence for it .

 

[Suze]

The word of God doesn't need to say it is a sin. The very action speaks for itself. The excuse of "What if it doesn't say it?" will not change God's position on the topic.

Sex outside marriage is sin. Is masturbation sex with a married person or by yourself? It's sin.

Fornication is sex before marriage; it's a sin. Sex with anyone other than your married wife or husband is adultery.
By that standard, is masturbation closer to sex in marriage or closer to sex outside of marriage?



Can anyone discern truth from God's word?

God is not the author of confusion and is very clear about what He considers to b sinful .

 

[Suze]

The word of God doesn't need to say it is a sin. The very action speaks for itself. The excuse of "What if it doesn't say it?" will not change God's position on the topic.

Sex outside marriage is sin. Is masturbation sex with a married person or by yourself? It's sin.

Fornication is sex before marriage; it's a sin. Sex with anyone other than your married wife or husband is adultery.
By that standard, is masturbation closer to sex in marriage or closer to sex outside of marriage?



Can anyone discern truth from God's word?

As Christians we r strongly warned about messing with God's Word , adding to it is as bad as subtracting from it .

 

[CS1]

People have been masturbating long before pornography I'm guessing they just used their imagination and I'm guessing that lots of people don't access pornography but do masturbate . I despise pornography and their is no defence for it .

actually pornography is a πόρνη (pornē), meaning "prostitute," or πορνεία (porneía), meaning "fornication, prostitution, from the Ancient Greek 2000 year old.

and is older

 

[CS1]

God is not the author of confusion and is very clear about what He considers to b sinful .

Listen if you want to justify sin, be my guest. One is not to have sex outside of marriage. God said that. If you think Masturbation is sex, then you should be able to see it is not the kind God ordained.