No Epstein Files?

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Daisy2 said:
You know, us Americans will forgive a lot about politicians (them being mostly evil), but no one will forgive that. I was reminded yesterday how he talked about his daughters when they were younger.
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This mostly has to do with decorum Daisy which the Dems ruined because if you really get into the details of this, nobody is a clean politician on any aspect and that may be stealing, cheating, lying or anything involving ethics basically.
That's why they're called politicians.
JFK was a known womanizer but they all kept it under wraps back then to preserve decorum and granted they didn't have cell phones or even Polaroids back then to snap pictures of Kennedy with some questionably young women.
This is how the world goes.

Back in Italy in the 90s Berlusconi was all over TV over similar scandals involved with prostitution or things of that nature while being in government.
That's just what politics and power produces.
We are left with choosing the lesser of two evils here and now but our true focus is always High and we just give Cesar what belongs to Cesar.
 
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Eli1 said:
This mostly has to do with decorum Daisy which the Dems ruined because if you really get into the details of this, nobody is a clean politician on any aspect and that may be stealing, cheating, lying or anything involving ethics basically.
That's why they're called politicians.
JFK was a known womanizer but they all kept it under wraps back then to preserve decorum and granted they didn't have cell phones or even Polaroids back then to snap pictures of Kennedy with some questionably young women.
This is how the world goes.

Back in Italy in the 90s Berlusconi was all over TV over similar scandals involved with prostitution or things of that nature while being in government.
That's just what politics and power produces.
We are left with choosing the lesser of two evils here and now but our true focus is always High and we just give Cesar what belongs to Cesar.
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Although Donald Trump has significant support among his supporters and us Christians support his policies . Americans have a very low tolerance for that—even when public figures are otherwise popular or seen as the lesser of two evils. Past scandals involving entertainers like Michael Jackson, Jerry Lee Lewis, and Elvis Presley, as well as politicians such as Bill Clinton, Anthony Weiner, Mark Foley, Mel Reynolds, Buz Lukens, Roy Moore, Matt Gaetz, and Everett Holmberg show Americans will not stand for it.
 
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Daisy2 said:
Although Donald Trump has significant support among his supporters and us Christians support his policies . Americans have a very low tolerance for that—even when public figures are otherwise popular or seen as the lesser of two evils. Past scandals involving entertainers like Michael Jackson, Jerry Lee Lewis, and Elvis Presley, as well as politicians such as Bill Clinton, Anthony Weiner, Mark Foley, Mel Reynolds, Buz Lukens, Roy Moore, Matt Gaetz, and Everett Holmberg show Americans will not stand for it.
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Low tolerance, really?
 
HeIsHere said:
Low tolerance, really?
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Yes really. She's 100% correct. She is mentioning a cultural difference here between Europe and USA where in Europe they are more relaxed with nudity in a family movie at 8PM but they're not okay with too much violence.
In USA this is the opposite. And if you were to swap these settings for each continent, either side would be uncomfortable.
So yes, really she is correct.
Everything here in USA starts with the Puritan laws.
 
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HeIsHere said:
All this coming out is going to tear the nation apart.
There is a constant flow on X.
I read the court document in that case, absolutely disgusting if true.
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The rage of panic sprang up after the DOGE boys went through tethering their laptops to the different agencies files. It's simple enough to argue that without checking their ID you may have thought they were adults but this isn't the case at all. Prepare your minds for a greater shock the youngest had just turned 11, the ones in the missing list were from 11-14.
 
Squigglylines said:
The rage of panic sprang up after the DOGE boys went through tethering their laptops to the different agencies files. It's simple enough to argue that without checking their ID you may have thought they were adults but this isn't the case at all. Prepare your minds for a greater shock the youngest had just turned 11, the ones in the missing list were from 11-14.
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I’m sorry but I don’t understand what you’re saying here.
Are you saying that the people who worked for DOGE were 13 year old kids?
 
Squigglylines said:
No, the victims in the remaining unreleased files.
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Oh I think I understand you now.
You’re saying that the Dodge folks uncovered details about Epstein files where they found 13 year old kids.

Well, let it come out and let the chips fall where they may.

Just an fyi, the left doesn’t have a valid candidate for a win.
So it is what it is.
Trump is a cultural counter reaction to the left so there will always be another Trump who is always better than the left if they don’t change their ways
 
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Eli1 said:
Oh I think I understand you now.
You’re saying that the Dodge folks uncovered details about Epstein files where they found 13 year old kids.

Well, let it come out and let the chips fall where they may.

Just an fyi, the left doesn’t have a valid candidate for a win.
So it is what it is.
Trump is a cultural counter reaction to the left so there will always be another Trump who is always better than the left if they don’t change their ways
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Yep watch it all as it unfolds. No love lost on the Left pun either(I'm no lefty) but prepare your mind to go back in time to the late 80's and 90's when some of your favorite righties were still hanging out with those lefties.
 
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Squigglylines said:
Yep watch it all as it unfolds. No love lost on the Left pun either(I'm no lefty) but prepare your mind to go back in time to the late 80's and 90's when some of your favorite righties were still hanging out with those lefties.
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Doubtful the truth will come out, there may be a "show trial" and few fall guys and that will be the end of it.
 
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Squigglylines said:
Yep watch it all as it unfolds. No love lost on the Left pun either(I'm no lefty) but prepare your mind to go back in time to the late 80's and 90's when some of your favorite righties were still hanging out with those lefties.
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I mean sure, Trump was raised in NYC a blue area so he knows their ways since 1970s where NYC looked like a 3rd world country. That’s why they hate him even more.

Have you seen any documentaries about these candidates in their early days in their 20s?
It tells you all you need to know about Hillary, Trump and the like.
Nobody in northeastern politics is clean which is also a very cutthroat type of politics.
There are a few documentaries now in Netflix about Trump, Epstein and some old ones in Hilary which I saw in 2016 prior to the elections.
Check them out so you can see how things were back in the 70s in NYC and how these young kids like Trump and Hillary were back then.
 
HeIsHere said:
Doubtful the truth will come out, there may be a "show trial" and few fall guys and that will be the end of it.
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Eventually things will not just remain captive to the files in the US, eventually and because this involves citizens of multiple nations UK,Israel,USSR ect. other nations files will surface.
 
Squigglylines said:
Eventually things will not just remain captive to the files in the US, eventually and because this involves citizens of multiple nations UK,Israel,USSR ect. other nations files will surface.
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I would say Ukraine over Russia, yes agree on the other countries.

What mechanism do you think will cause the information to be released?
 
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Eli1 said:
I mean sure, Trump was raised in NYC a blue area so he knows their ways since 1970s where NYC looked like a 3rd world country. That’s why they hate him even more.

Have you seen any documentaries about these candidates in their early days in their 20s?
It tells you all you need to know about Hillary, Trump and the like.
Nobody in northeastern politics is clean which is also a very cutthroat type of politics.
There are a few documentaries now in Netflix about Trump, Epstein and some old ones in Hilary which I saw in 2016 prior to the elections.
Check them out so you can see how things were back in the 70s in NYC and how these young kids like Trump and Hillary were back then.
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In this photo is Trump and R. Maxwell but the other man is John Tower. Tower is who arranged the meetings in the mid 80's between Maxwell and two US nuclear research facilities heads to purchase software with a backdoor for Mossad/Israel
 
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Squigglylines said:
In this photo is Trump and R. Maxwell but the other man is John Tower. Tower is who arranged the meetings in the mid 80's between Maxwell and two US nuclear research facilities heads to purchase software with a backdoor for Mossad/Israel
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I would like to comment on the fact that Ghislaine’s father is the reason why she turned out to be like she is.
He used to beat the kids with a belt for Christmas , so yeah a lot of families are messed up and some happen to be in high roles in societies. Also considering the times back then, some of these abuses were considered “normal”.

But if you want to push the whole Israel angle again …. the discussion becomes very boring.
There is nothing on earth that would change the relationship of USA and Israel.
Nothing!
Remember what I told you about unconditional alliances in WW1 which triggered the war after a guy from Serbia shot an Austrian prince and I said that that’s how we are today in terms of unconditional alliances?
Well, that’s an important thing to remember because history always repeats itself.
So you can turn blue in the face, in fact the whole world can turn blue in the face and the unconditional alliance will never ever change.
Only global wars might change that and I don’t think nuclear powers are ready for wars now.
So that’s why the Israel angle is not interesting.

To me what is interesting is to see if the left learns anything. But based on history that’s not very hopeful but there have been cases. The end of the Cold War was the best case when everything ended without a shot being fired.
So you know, it’s a possibility.
 
HeIsHere said:
I would say Ukraine over Russia, yes agree on the other countries.

What mechanism do you think will cause the information to be released?
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In the late 80's that was still the USSR. Robert Maxwell(Jewish) was born in Czechoslovakia(then USSR). Where he was from is now in Ukraine, He went to France when the war broke out until it was occupied then was moved to England and became a citizen. The same software(PROMIS) that the Mossad had Maxwell put in Los Alamos and Sandia laboratories(spyware) here in the US was also on the KGB and M16 agencies systems. Could be others also but these they know of. Robert Maxwell or Jan Ludvik Hyman Binyamin Hock(same person in the photo link I gave a few post back sitting down) was a Socialist. The tensions between these nations will cause the release.
 
Squigglylines said:
In the late 80's that was still the USSR. Robert Maxwell(Jewish) was born in Czechoslovakia(then USSR). Where he was from is now in Ukraine, He went to France when the war broke out until it was occupied then was moved to England and became a citizen. The same software(PROMIS) that the Mossad had Maxwell put in Los Alamos and Sandia laboratories(spyware) here in the US was also on the KGB and M16 agencies systems. Could be others also but these they know of. Robert Maxwell or Jan Ludvik Hyman Binyamin Hock(same person in the photo link I gave a few post back sitting down) was a Socialist. The tensions between these nations will cause the release.
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I have read extensively on this, so I get all the connections, what I am wondering is how you think these files will be made public.
Here is an update, not sure it means anything. There is speculation that the files have left the country...cough, cough.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1947446128258994226
 
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Squigglylines said:
In the late 80's that was still the USSR. Robert Maxwell(Jewish) was born in Czechoslovakia(then USSR). Where he was from is now in Ukraine, He went to France when the war broke out until it was occupied then was moved to England and became a citizen. The same software(PROMIS) that the Mossad had Maxwell put in Los Alamos and Sandia laboratories(spyware) here in the US was also on the KGB and M16 agencies systems. Could be others also but these they know of. Robert Maxwell or Jan Ludvik Hyman Binyamin Hock(same person in the photo link I gave a few post back sitting down) was a Socialist. The tensions between these nations will cause the release.
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Please don’t leave the station too.
Don’t go to flat earth.
If the Assange files didn’t trigger any change what makes you think anything will change now?
I mean do you see any patterns here?
2008 financial meltdown? No change.
Assange files? No change
Snowden? No change. Granted Snowden told us what we already know but this is where we are.

Please don’t leave for flat earth.
 
HeIsHere said:
DT tried to control the narrative and he is failing big time and it will not go away.

Looks like may becomes the non-innocent one who takes the fall.
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If any of the other nations ever release the files they have when it gets to the point where they explain that the terms midget and milk jug refer to children on the milk cartons and children three feet tall terms like take the fall are not going to apply. The people(citizens) of these different nations are not going to be content with handcuffs and jails.
 
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