We can NEVER perish.....Same as the promise to Israel. Forever means forever.
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We can NEVER perish.....Same as the promise to Israel. Forever means forever.
I don't believe that, btw.
No one has perfect doctrine, but I think even though I know very little. I am quite confident of what I do know.
Seriously, Whats at stake?
You believe Israel is done. I believe Israel has future plans.
What blessings, Grace and mercy do you receive that I don't?
That's indistinguishable from the gnostic belief that they could never perish because they had awakened to the realization that they were spiritual beings.
Amos 9:15
“I will also plant them on their land, And they will not be uprooted again from their land Which I have given them,” Says the LORD your God.
Zech 12:10
“And I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and of pleading, so that they will look at Me whom they pierced; and they will mourn for Him, like one mourning for an only son, and they will weep bitterly over Him like the bitter weeping over a firstborn.
Amos 9:15 happens at the resurrection. Zech 12:10 happened at Pentecost. That's not saying something similar can't happen when the lord returns. No one is saying that a remnant won't be saved; however, only a remnant will be saved..
I cant watch a film on my phone. Well I could but I wont. For other old geezers like myself, it streams free on Tubi also.
Well I'll let @Magenta fill you in on the Muslims. Look at Muslim majority countries and see how many Jews live there currently. I believe it was from Magenta that I found out about Dr. Warner. Maybe she can recall. He pointed to research that the Muslims were involved in the Atlantic slave trade. I will try to find that information again. But that aside there was the Arab/Muslim or Trans- Saharan slave trade.
I will look into it, I never heard this but I will look further into it. I certainly wouldn't stand with the Catholic church who had it's hands in every kind of trouble down through history. They were the first to force Jews to wear a badge to set them apart as a people.
Where are they trying to remove it from the history books and who is doing that? The Jewish people were almost wiped out as a people. Slavery was a horror of it's own. Taking away anyone's God given rights and treating them as not human is sin. But unless a person is racist, I don't see anyone saying get over it in this country.
You had a long post so I'm answering in pieces. Or trying to. The site was down today.
Hey, Rose, I hope you are feeling better today! Well, the hero of Islam and Islam itself was set up as an anti-Christ religion.
I do not get how people who claim to be Christians can defend it it any way. It exists to subjugate all to its demands.
It was spread by the sword from its inception, also, but people are still deceived and call it a religion of peace. There
is nothing peaceful about it. There are over 100 verses in the Koran commanding them to kill people of the Book, and
unbelievers, and infidels (those who depart the faith). In other words, anyone who refuses to submit.
What specifically do you mean?
Looks like that was under Biden. It's a little more complicated than that though. And I would consider this site far from conservative.
https://www.usnews.com/news/nationa...controversy-surrounding-the-antisemitism-bill
What are you saying, Gods Word is wrong? Why are you mocking and asking me? It's not my words, I didn't write these things.
This “Middle East” approach to prophecy became popular among mainline churches in the 1980s with a series of books from Hal Lindsey. In his bestsellers, including The Late Great Planet Earth and Countdown to Armageddon, Lindsey employed this very literal dispensational approach to prophecy, making several very specific, and very errant, predictions. He wrote that a secret rapture of the church would occur in 1981, which would be followed by the building of a new Jewish temple, the advent of the Antichrist, the great tribulation, the invasion of Israel, the battle of Armageddon and the millennium—all by 1988.
All failed.... but seeds have continued to grow... based on error millions are following this way of veiwing prophesy.
Despite every single one of these (Hal Lindsey) predictions falling flat, his books continue to sell, making for most a standard that all end-time prophecy is viewable only when filtered through “nation of Israel glasses.” Worse, the seeds of error they contain have sprouted and become firmly rooted in many churches. Now millions of Christians are vigilantly guarding a styrofoam monument with no prophetic veracity, and building on the crumbling sand of popular evangelical trends.
While there remain some differences of opinion among these evangelicals regarding the role of modern Israel in the end-times, the majority agrees on the following five events as core prophecies:
1. The rebirth of the state of Israel in 1948.
2. A soon-coming seven years of “Great Tribulation.”
3. The rebuilding of the Jewish temple on Jerusalem’s Temple Mount.
4. The Antichrist’s rise during the tribulation; He’ll enter the temple to proclaim Godhood.
5. A final war against Israel, which will result in Armageddon.
Knowing that these all started with Hal Lindsey's false interpretation of prophesy.
We need to ask are these built on the sand or rock.
1. The rebirth of the state of Israel in 1948.
2. A soon-coming seven years of “Great Tribulation.”
3. The rebuilding of the Jewish temple on Jerusalem’s Temple Mount.
4. The Antichrist’s rise during the tribulation; He’ll enter the temple to proclaim Godhood.
5. A final war against Israel, which will result in Armageddon.
Knowing that these all started with Hal Lindsey's false interpretation of prophesy.
We need to ask are these built on the sand or rock.
Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Should not perish.... those that do not believe must perish.
Luk 13:3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
God doesn't want any to perish but we are told to "Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it." Matt 7:13,14.
Few find it = logically means that the rest perish.
Here is the big question: Are all of these end-time prophecies in Scripture regarding Israel and the temple speaking of the literal nation of Jews and a physical building, or is there a deeper spiritual application?
Do you remember when Jesus came the first time? His people misunderstood and misapplied the prophecies regarding His kingdom. They eagerly waited and watched for Him to establish a literal, earthly kingdom. Jesus constantly explained that His first coming was to establish a spiritual kingdom. He said, “The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for behold, the kingdom of God is within you” (Luke 17:20, 21).
Could people be getting mixed up again?
Even the deciples were looking for a literal kingdom.
Do you remember when Jesus came the first time? His people misunderstood and misapplied the prophecies regarding His kingdom. They eagerly waited and watched for Him to establish a literal, earthly kingdom. Jesus constantly explained that His first coming was to establish a spiritual kingdom. He said, “The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for behold, the kingdom of God is within you” (Luke 17:20, 21).
Could people be getting mixed up again?
Even the deciples were looking for a literal kingdom.
It is impossible to clearly understand the subject of Israel apart from a careful study of the Old Testament. The first time the name “Israel” appears in Scripture is when it was spoken to Jacob after his long night of wrestling with a powerful opponent. The heavenly stranger finally said, “Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed” (Genesis 32:28).
Thus the name “Israel” was at first a name of heavenly origin applied to Jacob alone. It represented his spiritual victory over sin, through wrestling in prayer and claiming God’s grace.
The name of one person.....
Jacob had 12 sons who later moved into Egypt. The descendants of these sons eventually multiplied into the 12 tribes, which were later forced into slavery by the Egyptians until the time of Moses. Then God told Pharaoh through Moses, “Israel is my son, even my firstborn ... Let my son go” (Exodus 4:22, 23). Note here that the name “Israel” is expanded to include Jacob’s descendants.
Latter the name Israel applied to the nation.
Therefore, the name “Israel” first applied to a victorious man, then to his people.
About 800 B.C., the Lord spoke through the prophet Hosea, saying, “When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt” (Hosea 11:1). But the nation of Israel had failed to live up to the spiritual meaning of its name.
Approximately 800 years after Hosea’s prophecy, we learn, “Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king” (Matthew 2). Because of Herod, Joseph was warned of the impending crisis to kill Jesus and “The angel of the Lord appeareth to [him] in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee word” (v. 13). So the family arose and “departed into Egypt” (v. 14).
Matthew writes that the child Jesus remained in Egypt “until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son” (v. 15). Notice that Matthew quotes Hosea 11:1—which originally referred to the nation of Israel coming out of Egypt—and actually declares it more perfectly “fulfilled” in Jesus Christ!
Joseph is the one that receives dreams and secures safety in Egypt for his family... both Gen 45, Matt 2.
After the Red Sea crossing, the Israelites spend 40 years in the wilderness—led by the pillar of fire, God’s Spirit. Immediately after baptism, Jesus is “led up of the Spirit into the wilderness” for 40 days (Matthew 4:1, 2).
At the end of the 40 years, Moses writes Deuteronomy. At the end of Jesus’ 40 days, He resists Satan’s temptations by quoting three Scriptures—all from Deuteronomy!
The more you look the more you will find.
In Psalm 80:8, God calls Israel a “vine” that He brought “out of Egypt.” Jesus later declares, “I am the true vine” (John 15:1).
In the Old Testament, the name “Israel” first applied to one man: Jacob—representing his spiritual victory over sin. Even so, in the New Testament, Jesus Christ is the Israel who came “out of Egypt.” He is the one victorious man who overcame all sin!
The clearest example is when God calls Israel “the seed of Abraham” (Isaiah 41:8). However, Paul later writes that Abraham’s seed does not refer to “many,” but to “one, ... which is Christ” (Galatians 3:16). Thus we discover that repeatedly in the New Testament, statements that once applied to the nation of Israel are now applied to Jesus Christ. The Messiah is now “the seed.”
Jesus today is the person of Israel.
What about the nation of Israel today?
The Lord told the ancient Israelites, “And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation” (Exodus 19:6). In the New Testament, Peter applies these exact words to the church: “But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people” (1 Peter 2:9).
Likewise, immediately after Paul’s statement in Galatians 3 about Jesus being “the seed,” he then tells his Gentile converts, “And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise” (Galatians 3:29). Thus in the New Testament, the name Israel not only applies to Jesus Christ, but also to those who are born in Christ—His Church! In other words, all true Christians are now God’s spiritual Israel.
The church is called the body of Christ (1 Corinthians 12:27), which is one reason why James, when writing to the church, addresses it as the 12 tribes that are scattered abroad (James 1:1). From the very beginning, the church has understood Israel to mean a spiritual body of Christ.
Sorry it was long.... hope it helps.
Thus the name “Israel” was at first a name of heavenly origin applied to Jacob alone. It represented his spiritual victory over sin, through wrestling in prayer and claiming God’s grace.
The name of one person.....
Jacob had 12 sons who later moved into Egypt. The descendants of these sons eventually multiplied into the 12 tribes, which were later forced into slavery by the Egyptians until the time of Moses. Then God told Pharaoh through Moses, “Israel is my son, even my firstborn ... Let my son go” (Exodus 4:22, 23). Note here that the name “Israel” is expanded to include Jacob’s descendants.
Latter the name Israel applied to the nation.
Therefore, the name “Israel” first applied to a victorious man, then to his people.
About 800 B.C., the Lord spoke through the prophet Hosea, saying, “When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt” (Hosea 11:1). But the nation of Israel had failed to live up to the spiritual meaning of its name.
Approximately 800 years after Hosea’s prophecy, we learn, “Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king” (Matthew 2). Because of Herod, Joseph was warned of the impending crisis to kill Jesus and “The angel of the Lord appeareth to [him] in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee word” (v. 13). So the family arose and “departed into Egypt” (v. 14).
Matthew writes that the child Jesus remained in Egypt “until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son” (v. 15). Notice that Matthew quotes Hosea 11:1—which originally referred to the nation of Israel coming out of Egypt—and actually declares it more perfectly “fulfilled” in Jesus Christ!
Joseph is the one that receives dreams and secures safety in Egypt for his family... both Gen 45, Matt 2.
After the Red Sea crossing, the Israelites spend 40 years in the wilderness—led by the pillar of fire, God’s Spirit. Immediately after baptism, Jesus is “led up of the Spirit into the wilderness” for 40 days (Matthew 4:1, 2).
At the end of the 40 years, Moses writes Deuteronomy. At the end of Jesus’ 40 days, He resists Satan’s temptations by quoting three Scriptures—all from Deuteronomy!
The more you look the more you will find.
In Psalm 80:8, God calls Israel a “vine” that He brought “out of Egypt.” Jesus later declares, “I am the true vine” (John 15:1).
In the Old Testament, the name “Israel” first applied to one man: Jacob—representing his spiritual victory over sin. Even so, in the New Testament, Jesus Christ is the Israel who came “out of Egypt.” He is the one victorious man who overcame all sin!
The clearest example is when God calls Israel “the seed of Abraham” (Isaiah 41:8). However, Paul later writes that Abraham’s seed does not refer to “many,” but to “one, ... which is Christ” (Galatians 3:16). Thus we discover that repeatedly in the New Testament, statements that once applied to the nation of Israel are now applied to Jesus Christ. The Messiah is now “the seed.”
Jesus today is the person of Israel.
What about the nation of Israel today?
The Lord told the ancient Israelites, “And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation” (Exodus 19:6). In the New Testament, Peter applies these exact words to the church: “But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people” (1 Peter 2:9).
Likewise, immediately after Paul’s statement in Galatians 3 about Jesus being “the seed,” he then tells his Gentile converts, “And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise” (Galatians 3:29). Thus in the New Testament, the name Israel not only applies to Jesus Christ, but also to those who are born in Christ—His Church! In other words, all true Christians are now God’s spiritual Israel.
The church is called the body of Christ (1 Corinthians 12:27), which is one reason why James, when writing to the church, addresses it as the 12 tribes that are scattered abroad (James 1:1). From the very beginning, the church has understood Israel to mean a spiritual body of Christ.
Sorry it was long.... hope it helps.
A lot of spiritual meat and deep truth in this, but to those who have been seduced by the carnal fables of Darby/Scoffield/Lindsey/et al, it will fall on deaf ears and they will mock because they are wise in their own conceits and spiritual things are foolishness to them. And unless they fear God and he has mercy on them, they won't see until it is too late.
And he said, Go! and say to this people, Hearing, you shall hear, but in no way shall you comprehend; and seeing you shall see, but in no way shall you know. For the heart of this people has thickened, and they hear heavily with their ears, and the eyes are closed, lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and the ears should hear, and the heart should comprehend, and they should turn, and I should heal them. Isaiah 6:9-10
Is God referring to Literal Physical Israel or Spiritual Israel?
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