Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[Cameron143]

You're very welcome. I know that Cam is too keen on homework, but he's always assigning it.

Finish yours and go to bed. It's a school night.

 

[studier]

I couldn't get anyone on either side to agree that the Samaritan was the good neighbor ... as opposed to the helpless man who fell among thieves.

See here at bottom of the post. Sorry I didn't recall who was dealing with the Samaritan.

 

[GWH]

So then you do agree that God determines who will be saved and who will be lost by being the ultimate determiner of salvation?
This means that by His deterministic will passes over some and saves others.

I do find it interesting that the passage begins with...

“Come, all you who are thirsty,
come to the waters;
Isaiah 55

Guess you missed that part uh?

Their gift is ignoring Scripture that supports MFW.

 

[Mem]

right ... and Saul rationalized his error when Samuel confronted him and lost the kingdom as a result.
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That thought puts another facet of light on the Throne of David, in regard to the One Who has always sat on it.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

Actually God drove them (Israelis) out and He warned them He would.

yup
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[Cameron143]

He chose them and they complied, already explained.

Had they not complied, God would have chosen someone else?

 

[HeIsHere]

Had they not complied, God would have chosen someone else?

Does scripture tell us?
I do not think it does.

 

[studier]

You use some fun words, but you break your side's rules. It is not kosher, according to them, to suggest someone doesn't understand, even in a nuanced way.

I have no problem discussing election, or most topics, if I believe it can be helpful. I don't think this would be the case with you. Even still, I did offer to discuss the topic if you started a thread on the topic. I will give you a tip though: election is not selection. Some people can't seem to understand the nuance.

Thanks.
Over my head. Trying to chew gum at the moment.
So disappointing. I relinquished, gave you the floor and cooperated and provided data for your use.
I even supplied Lexical definitions at the link I provided which we can use to check your tips.
I'm pretty good at nuances.
I'm also fairly geared up on election thanks to these threads.

 

[HeIsHere]

Their gift is ignoring Scripture that supports MFW.

Continually and consistently, like they have been trained.

 

[Mem]

Thanks.
Over my head. Trying to chew gum at the moment.
So disappointing. I relinquished, gave you the floor and cooperated and provided data for your use.
I even supplied Lexical definitions at the link I provided which we can use to check your tips.
I'm pretty good at nuances.
I'm also fairly geared up on election thanks to these threads.

I think another election thread is exactly what this site is in dire need of! Haaa!

 

[Cameron143]

I couldn't get anyone on either side to agree that the Samaritan was the good neighbor ... as opposed to the helpless man who fell among thieves.

Such a simple truth to agree on ... but, there you go ... as stated last week ... some would rather argue about what is not in the passage in an effort to not "stick to what the passage teaches" ... and then wield a club at those who do not come into alignment with something that is not discussed in the passage.


Psalm 133:1-3 Behold, how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity! It is like the precious ointment upon the head, that ran down upon the beard, even Aaron's beard: that went down to the skirts of his garments; As the dew of Hermon, and as the dew that descended upon the mountains of Zion: for there the LORD commanded the blessing, even life for evermore.
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I did agree with your assessment of the passage.

 

[studier]

I think another election thread is exactly what this site is in dire need of! Haaa!

Yikes!

If we start a thread about a peanut butter sandwich someone will turn it into an election issue.

 

[GWH]

Men cannot bring forth good fruit from a bad tree. They just don't get it. They don't want to give up their pet vain philosophies and traditions of man. They trash talk you for months and then say, well, explain yourself. LOL. I have seen what they call explaining their understanding of Scripture. It includes stripping words of their main and plain meanings and also declaring that certain verses do not at all mean what they say, such as 1 Cor 2:14. It is disgusting.

I see no problem with 1Cor. 2:14, but here is what was learned from 1Cor. 18-21:

1Cor. 1:21b, "God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe." Using Mag's favorite terminology, God's method of saving sinners or natural men is via revealing the Gospel, and we know from 1Tim. 2:3-4 that
God desires all to believe.

1Cor. 1:23-24, "We preach Christ crucified... to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God." Again, "We preach to all natural men", and "to those natural men God has called". This prompts the question: Is "desire" in 1Tim. 2:3-4 synonymous with God's "calling" in 1Cor. 1:24--and we might add with God's "drawing" in John 12:32 and with God's "invitation" in Matt. 22:14? The last verse and John 13:18 indicate that although God loves and wants to save every natural man, some ignore/reject/resist His desire/calling/drawing/invitation and are therefore not chosen or saved, while some do NOT resist God's calling but rather believe the Gospel, realizing its wisdom and power to save, at which point they become chosen/elect.

1Cor. 1:26, "Brothers, think of what you were when you were called... Not many were influential." They were natural men in the lower social class, but yet they believed or cooperated with God's calling.

1Cor. 1:27-28, "God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise... the lowly... and the despised". God's saving of despised natural men was intended to humble all natural men, so that "no one may boast before him" (1Cor. 1:29).

1Cor. 2:1-2, "When I came to you, brothers... I proclaimed to you... Jesus Christ and him crucified." Paul reiterated that God saved some natural men via them accepting Paul's preaching of the Gospel.

1Cor. 2:10, "God has revealed it to us by his Spirit." God's HS enables natural men to believe the Gospel and be saved (or not).

 

[reneweddaybyday]

See here at bottom of the post. Sorry I didn't recall who was dealing with the Samaritan.

I see ... certain poster excluded ... however, the helpless man on the side of the road issue was resolved after several pages in this thread discussing the fact that the good neighbor is the Samaritan ... not the helpless man on the side of the road ... then before a week passed someone is trying again to argue what is not in the passage and then insist that the certain poster lacks understanding.

it's really weird ... like "I can't acknowledge that someone who does not believe exactly the same as I do might actually have a good point". I mean, come on, no one knows all the truth in this lifetime, so allow that someone might just be on to something, consider the point that is being made, be a Berean and search the scriptures whether these things be so.

Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
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[Cameron143]

Does scripture tell us?
I do not think it does.

It certainly points us in the right direction. God chose Israel because of His promise to Abraham. He promised to make a great nation from Him. If God doesn't make Israel a great nation, how would His promise be kept?
God chose Jonah to go to Ninevah. He didn't take no for an answer. Any relevance in your opinion?

 

[reneweddaybyday]

I did agree with your assessment of the passage.

thanks Cam ... another silver-lining-the-hair moment ...
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[Magenta]

Yikes!

If we start a thread about a peanut butter sandwich someone will turn it into an election issue.

So many choices!!! Smooth, or crunchy? Jam, honey, or banana? Whole
wheat, sour dough, or white? Plain, or toasted? Butter? No butter?
Have you ever eaten a peanut butter, jam, and pickle sandwich?
Some people like peanut butter and garlic...

PS I have seen plenty of topics on food (and drink) and NOBODY turned them into election issues.

 

[studier]

then before a week passed someone is trying again to argue what is not in the passage and then insist that the certain poster lacks understanding.

A week's a long time around here? It's normally a couple minutes unless the site is crashing.

 

[GWH]

Actually, her estimations on biblical and spiritual precepts are right on target. @Magenta is an excellent writer and most articulate. When I read posts, I pay close attention. Very credible and reliable source of sound counsel.

I am not saying Mag is not what you said, but I sure am curious to know what post(s) prompted you to say it,
so I also may be edified, because I have been traveling and missing some discussion. Thanks!

 

[Cameron143]

Thanks.
Over my head. Trying to chew gum at the moment.
So disappointing. I relinquished, gave you the floor and cooperated and provided data for your use.
I even supplied Lexical definitions at the link I provided which we can use to check your tips.
I'm pretty good at nuances.
I'm also fairly geared up on election thanks to these threads.

You relinquished the floor on a public forum. Well let me relinquish the floor for you. I couldn't even convince people that God chose Israel while employing a verse that said God chose Israel. You come and say God chose Israel and viola, everyone agrees. You are a whale of a nuancer. I wish I had nuanced that God chose Israel. You are amazing.