Israel.

[Pilgrimshope]

Israel speaks more like a lion than a lamb.
So by your understanding of scripture 1948 was a forced event? That Satan can duplicate even the very words in the prophecies?
That he would go so far as to mimic the surrounding enemies of Israel that are mentioned in scripture.
That Israel against all odds defeated the opposing enemies when they came to rebuild.
That the barren waste land has not prospered as the scriptures for tell. That the third temple which is scriptural and is waiting to be built is all by Satan's hand? That once again anti semitisim is at a all time high?
And you wonder if it's part of the delusion. Some sort of counterfeit.
I really can't believe your saying this. There have been far more prophecies fulfilled than just 1948. Open your eyes.
Has Israel become that cup of trembling in just the past 2 years.
I think one has to be delusional not to consider the events after 1948.

Yeah I don’t see 1948 as anything God was doing

 

[rogerg]

I think the passage 1000 years is one day and one day is a thousand years is ment to mean there is no time for God. Like it is meaningless to Him. Take a string for instance that has no beginning or no ending. That is God's eternal day. Let's say you cut a piece of it out and say this is all of creations time within that string. There are still before and after parts on that string. When you say it is all the same day you are right to God it is. But when the Bible was wrote it had to be in a way that man understands. Since we live in the temperal realm it includes the passage of time. 40 years of wandering, 40 days of rain, 7 years of tribulation, and 1000 year millennium kingdom. All existing within the same eternal day of God.

But you are right if you feel this kind of discussion will take over a thread it may not be part of ill wait for a thread like that to appear.

I agree that God has a different perspective of time than we do, but regarding the millennium kingdom, on that, we'll have to agree to disagree.

 

[Jackson129]

As far as this thread goes I will give my 2 cents i spose.

We as Christians are all Isreal. Not Isreal the country but sons of Isreal and Abraham through the adoption. Just as Jesus was a direct bloodline of David by his adoption of Joseph. Yes the Bible does outline that bloodline. David then going back to Isreal who goes back to Abraham. So when we repent and allow Jesus into our heart He adopts us and we become sons of Isreal through the adoption. And thus beneficiaries to the covenant promises. That dosent mean we suddenly become Israeli citizens and dont need a passport to go there. The grafting process you are talking about is the adoption process. Isreal the country and Isreal the people are two differnt things.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

The way God has always worked with his chosen is through faith. Natural Israel was not of faith; it was of law. Only a remnant of natural Israel were of faith.

But God still has promises to keep to Israel, it will be restored as a nation and they will come to repentance and be grafted back in again. Israel was the nation born in a day. The dry bones coming together in 1948 has fulfilled several prophecies.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

As far as this thread goes I will give my 2 cents i spose.

We as Christians are all Isreal. Not Isreal the country but sons of Isreal and Abraham through the adoption. Just as Jesus was a direct bloodline of David by his adoption of Joseph. Yes the Bible does outline that bloodline. David then going back to Isreal who goes back to Abraham. So when we repent and allow Jesus into our heart He adopts us and we become sons of Isreal through the adoption. And thus beneficiaries to the covenant promises. That dosent mean we suddenly become Israeli citizens and dont need a passport to go there. The grafting process you are talking about is the adoption process. Isreal the country and Isreal the people are two differnt things.

Yes, we are grafted in, but we don't replace the Jewish people. God still has promises to fulfill to them.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Worldly people focus on worldly things

 

[Jackson129]

Yes, we are grafted in, but we don't replace the Jewish people. God still has promises to fulfill to them.

I didnt say we replace them i said we join them. The Jewish people who repent and accept Jesus will be grafted back in. Thier un belief took them out. So yes God still has plans for them.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Worldly people focus on worldly things

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No, not at all. The Word says Gods eyes are always on Israel. It is where Christ will return.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

I didnt say we replace them i said we join them. The Jewish people who repent and accept Jesus will be grafted back in. Thier un belief took them out. So yes God still has plans for them.

Agreed.

 

[Jackson129]

No, not at all. The Word says Gods eyes are always on Israel. It is where Christ will return.

God's eyes are on his people Isreal. The nation got its name from isreal the man the patriarch of the 12 tribes. They could of named the country spongbob and Jesus would still return there. The name of the country has got nothing to do with anything. thats where alot of the confusionin here is comming from. People are thinking the name of a country is the same thing as a whole classification of people . It is not.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

You have twisted this verse like wrenching a nut until you strip the edges. Unbelievable!

You need to pull out your gematria calculator and tell us what Genesis 48:19 means

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

God's eyes are on his people Isreal. The nation got its name from isreal the man the patriarch of the 12 tribes. They could of named the country spongbob and Jesus would still return there. The name of the country has got nothing to do with anything. thats where alot of the confusionin here is comming from. People are thinking the name of a country is the same thing as a whole classification of people . It is not.

God gave the name Israel and it is that piece of land to which He will return. It is important. The land is the apple of His eye. No other place on earth has God said such things but of Israel.

 

[lrs68]

Such an outrageous statement coming from someone who can"t explain what the verse means.

I meant twisting it for what you're trying to make it say

 

[lrs68]

Well, yes, God 's plan of salvation works out as intended,
but although God loves all sinners, all sinners will not be saved,
because God's plan was to save only all who satisfy His requirement,
which is to have faith/receive grace/reflect love/accept Jesus.

I agree with the overall sentiment but I am discussing the reason for and the how Gentiles were able to graft in.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

I meant twisting it for what you're trying to make it say

You can"t even explain it, so what makes you think you are qualified to tell me I'm wrong

 

[Jackson129]

God gave the name Israel and it is that piece of land to which He will return. It is important. The land is the apple of His eye. No other place on earth has God said such things but of Israel.

God gave the name isreal to a man not the peice of land him and his decendents occupied. Im not sying that peice of land isint biblical important. I am trying to say the name of a country (isreal) and the name of a people isreal are two separate things.

 

[lrs68]

The way God has always worked with his chosen is through faith. Natural Israel was not of faith; it was of law. Only a remnant of natural Israel were of faith.

8 When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance,
when he divided mankind,
he fixed the borders[a] of the peoples
according to the number of the sons of God.
9 But the Lord's portion is his people,
Jacob his allotted heritage.

 

[lrs68]

Who are the modern "enemies" based on your argument?

And are the people claiming to be Israel right now in adherence to any covenant (they're either under Messiah's or Moses')?

Modern day enemies were many of the ancient enemies like Babylon, Persia, Philistine.

The fulfillment of Ezekiel is God keeping His word from the prophecy but it's also our indicator of the timing of events.

 

[lrs68]

8 When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance,
when he divided mankind,
he fixed the borders[a] of the peoples
according to the number of the sons of God.
9 But the Lord's portion is his people,
Jacob his allotted heritage.

The Most High God portion and heritage are the children of Jacob because Israel is merely LAND ONLY.

 

[lrs68]

You need to pull out your gematria calculator and tell us what Genesis 48:19 means

"And his father refused, and said, I know it, my son, I know it. He also shall become a people, and he also shall be great: howbeit his younger brother shall be greater than he, and his seed shall become a multitude of nations."

It's about physical Nations not spiritual. Like I said you rounded the edges of a bolt to make your baloney stink less that you're trying to feed people.