The Teachings of Paul (TOP)
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Thank you what about HIS word?
Paul preached the same message as the rest of JESUS disciples.
JESUS speaking to Ananias, telling him in Acts 9:15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
He is sending Paul to the Gentils, the kings and the Children of Israel.
Acts 10, Peter was the first ones to give the message to the Gentiles. How were they saved? The Holy Ghost came on them as it did Peter and the 120 others in Acts 2:4 then they were commanded to be baptized.
Paul app 20 YEARS after the day of Petacost. SAME message as the beging of the book of Acts.
Acts 19
King James Version
19 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
7 And all the men were about twelve.
AFTER that what did Paul do?
8 And he went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God.
9 But when divers were hardened, and believed not, but spake evil of that way before the multitude, he departed from them, and separated the disciples, disputing daily in the school of one Tyrannus.
10 And this continued by the space of two years; so that all they which dwelt in Asia heard the word of the Lord Jesus, both Jews and Greeks.
HE STAYED THERE FOR APP 2 YEARS preaching to who?
BOTH JEWS AND GREEKS.
No debating it is the top part of the book of Acts, both being baptized in mentioned and speaking in tongues.
TOP #187: Those who have saving faith cooperate with God’s good works. [Phil. 2:12-13] This is a significant reiteration of TOP #150. God works in believers via His Holy Spirit (cf. TOP #28).
TOP #150: Saving faith is followed by doing good or loving works in accordance with the will of God. [Eph. 2:10] This relationship between saving faith and good works is taught also in Jam. 2:14-26.
TOP #188: The goal of Christian faith is to become blameless. [Phil. 2:14-16] Note that being indwelt by the HS does not result in immediate actual perfection, which remains a lifelong goal (as Paul will teach in Phil. 3:12).
TOP #189: Christians should be glad or rejoice despite circumstances involving suffering. [Phil. 2:17-18, 3:1, 4:4 & 10-12] This is the theme in PHP, beginning with 1:4, and it echoes Psa. 9:14.
TOP #150: Saving faith is followed by doing good or loving works in accordance with the will of God. [Eph. 2:10] This relationship between saving faith and good works is taught also in Jam. 2:14-26.
TOP #188: The goal of Christian faith is to become blameless. [Phil. 2:14-16] Note that being indwelt by the HS does not result in immediate actual perfection, which remains a lifelong goal (as Paul will teach in Phil. 3:12).
TOP #189: Christians should be glad or rejoice despite circumstances involving suffering. [Phil. 2:17-18, 3:1, 4:4 & 10-12] This is the theme in PHP, beginning with 1:4, and it echoes Psa. 9:14.
At this point Paul mentioned sending Timothy and Epaphroditus to Philippi and reiterated his belief that he will be released soon. Paul also warned them about those who are Judaizers or teach salvation via works, stating that he was such a person before his conversion to faith in Christ (Phil. 3:2-9, cf. Gal. 1:6-9, 2:4-5 & 14-16, 3:1-5 & 18-25 and TOP #24 & 25).
TOP #190: Hope for heaven is the proper motivation for having faith in Christ. [Phil. 3:9-11] This is why faith and hope (not sight, cf. 2Cor. 5:7) are regularly mentioned together or interchangeably (Rom. 8:24-25, 1Cor. 13:13, 1Tim. 6:17, Tit. 1:2, Heb. 11:1).
TOP #191: Christians should behave in accordance with what they have learned as they continue to learn God’s will/word. [Phil. 3:15-17] Paul cites himself as an example. Those who habitually sin indicate that their profession of Christ is false (cf. TOP #167 & 211).
TOP #190: Hope for heaven is the proper motivation for having faith in Christ. [Phil. 3:9-11] This is why faith and hope (not sight, cf. 2Cor. 5:7) are regularly mentioned together or interchangeably (Rom. 8:24-25, 1Cor. 13:13, 1Tim. 6:17, Tit. 1:2, Heb. 11:1).
TOP #191: Christians should behave in accordance with what they have learned as they continue to learn God’s will/word. [Phil. 3:15-17] Paul cites himself as an example. Those who habitually sin indicate that their profession of Christ is false (cf. TOP #167 & 211).
TOP #192: Gentleness should be evident to all. [Phil. 4:5] This brief command is a fruit of the Spirit cited in Gal. 5:23 and is also found in 1Pet. 3:15.
TOP #193: Do not be anxious about anything, but instead pray to God. [Phil. 4:6-7] This is similar to TOJ #41: Do not worry.
TOP #194: Focus on the positive and put it into practice. [Phil. 4:8-9] As a song from the 1940s said, “Accentuate the positive,
eliminate the negative…”.
TOP #195: Learn to be content whatever the circumstances. [Phil. 4:11-13] God will enable believers to endure anything.
Paul concluded PHP by thanking the Philippians for their material support, and he greeted all of the saints from all of the saints, including those in Caesar’s household.
TOP #193: Do not be anxious about anything, but instead pray to God. [Phil. 4:6-7] This is similar to TOJ #41: Do not worry.
TOP #194: Focus on the positive and put it into practice. [Phil. 4:8-9] As a song from the 1940s said, “Accentuate the positive,
eliminate the negative…”.
TOP #195: Learn to be content whatever the circumstances. [Phil. 4:11-13] God will enable believers to endure anything.
Paul concluded PHP by thanking the Philippians for their material support, and he greeted all of the saints from all of the saints, including those in Caesar’s household.
Paul began the epistle to the brethren in Christ at Colosse (whose conversions he had not been involved with per Col. 1:4 & 2:1) with his typical greeting, which was also from Timothy, and he said that he thanks God in his prayers for their faith in Jesus and love for the saints. He referred to the gospel as producing fruit “all over the world”, which surely was hyperbole meaning the Roman empire, and he credited Epaphras with teaching them about God’s grace “in all its truth”, probably referring to didachaic moral doctrines (cf. John 16:13).
Paul prayed that their knowledge of God’s will/GW would continue to increase (Col. 1:10, TOP #81, 130 & 191) until they were filled with spiritual wisdom (Col. 1:9, TOP #78) and bearing fruit in every good work (cf. Gal. 5:22-23, TOP #138), having perseverance (TOP #134) as they anticipated sharing in the “inheritance of the saints in the kingdom of light and of God’s Son” (Col. 1:11-13). At this point Paul shared our next new teaching.
TOP #196: Christ is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of creation by whom everything else was created. [Col. 1:15-17] This TOP echoes John 1:1-3, 10 & 14. “Image” seems synonymous with “incarnation”, and it refers to humanity being created in God’s image (Gen. 1:26-27). Because God is invisible rather than physical, the term must mean having God-like spiritual attributes such as moral consciousness, which animals do not possess. “In him all things hold together” seems akin to what Paul said to the Athenians, “In him we live and move and have our being” (Acts 17:28, TOP #5).
Paul prayed that their knowledge of God’s will/GW would continue to increase (Col. 1:10, TOP #81, 130 & 191) until they were filled with spiritual wisdom (Col. 1:9, TOP #78) and bearing fruit in every good work (cf. Gal. 5:22-23, TOP #138), having perseverance (TOP #134) as they anticipated sharing in the “inheritance of the saints in the kingdom of light and of God’s Son” (Col. 1:11-13). At this point Paul shared our next new teaching.
TOP #196: Christ is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of creation by whom everything else was created. [Col. 1:15-17] This TOP echoes John 1:1-3, 10 & 14. “Image” seems synonymous with “incarnation”, and it refers to humanity being created in God’s image (Gen. 1:26-27). Because God is invisible rather than physical, the term must mean having God-like spiritual attributes such as moral consciousness, which animals do not possess. “In him all things hold together” seems akin to what Paul said to the Athenians, “In him we live and move and have our being” (Acts 17:28, TOP #5).
TOP #197: Christ is head of his spiritual body or church, because God is most fully revealed in the human dimension by him. [Col. 1:18-19 & 24, 2:19] This teaching concerns the doctrine of the Trinity. The church was also mentioned in Eph. 3:10.
TOP #198: Christ’s death on the cross is God’s way of reconciling all things to himself. [Col. 1:19-20] Not only are souls saved, but all of creation is thereby redeemed from its fallen state.
TOP #198: Christ’s death on the cross is God’s way of reconciling all things to himself. [Col. 1:19-20] Not only are souls saved, but all of creation is thereby redeemed from its fallen state.
I notice you say church, not churchs.
This is amazing? I guess it's true how can there be ONE GOD and so many different denominations?
I'm really think there can't be that many different docrins some have to have the same.
There are over 45,000 different Christian denominations globally. This vast number of denominations stems from the historical and ongoing interpretations of Christian beliefs and practices, particularly after the Protestant Reformation.
Which church is he the head of, all of them?
Or just the ones who obey him?
Just the ones who believe in Him as Messiah and Lord, and the best elaboration of what that means IMO is this:
The normative way of stating the kerygma/GRFS in the NT is “Accept Christ Jesus as Lord” (as in 2Cor. 4:5 & Col. 2:6).
The main points of Christian orthodoxy implicit in this statement can be explained or elaborated as follows:
- There is a/one all-loving and just Lord or God (Deut. 6:4, John 3:16, 2Thes. 1:6), who is both able (2Tim. 1:12) and willing (1Tim. 2:3-4, Ezek. 33:11) to provide all morally accountable human beings salvation or heaven—a wonderful life full of love, joy and peace forever.
- Human beings are selfish or sinful (Rom. 3:23, 2Tim. 3:2-4, Col. 3:5), miserable (Gal. 5:19-21), and hopeless (Eph. 2:12) or hell-bound at the judgment (Matt. 23:33 & 25:46) when they reject God’s salvation (John 3:18, Rom. 2:5-11).
- Jesus is God’s Messiah/Christ and incarnate Son, the way that God has chosen (John 3:16, Acts 16:30-31, Phil. 2:9-11) of providing salvation by means of his atoning death on the cross for the payment of the penalty for the sins of humanity (Rom. 3:22-25 & 5:9-11), followed by his resurrection to reign in heaven (1Cor. 15:14-28).
- Thus, every person who hears the NT Gospel needs to repent and accept God’s justification in Jesus as Christ/Messiah the Lord or Supreme Commander (Luke 2:11, John 14:6, Acts 16:31), which means trying to obey His commandment to love one another (Matt. 22:37-40, John 13:35, Rom. 13:9)—forever (Matt. 10:22, Psa. 113:2).
- Then God’s Holy Spirit will establish a saving relationship with those who freely accept/love Him (Rev. 3:20) that will eventually achieve heaven when by means of persevering in learning Truth/God’s Word/sanctification everyone cooperates fully with His will (John 14:6, 17&26, Rom. 8:6-17, Gal. 6:7-9, Eph. 1:13-14, Heb. 10:36, 12:1, Jam. 1:2-4).
A major reason many Christians throughout history have not manifested the love and unity of God’s Spirit (Eph. 4:3) as well as they should is because of failure to realize this truth. If they did, it would free them to speak honestly and fellowship without becoming unduly upset about relatively minor issues. They would receive God’s blessing as peacemakers, who draw inclusive circles around people based on the kerygma rather than denominational lines between them due to didachaic differences. Jesus prayed for spiritual unity (cf. John 17:20-23, “May they be one…”). Thus, unity regarding the Gospel is more important than accuracy regarding doctrinal details.
I'll give you a reading lesson; read point #4 until you see "obey".
And as a bonus I will teach you how to perceive implication; read #5 until you see obey implied by "cooperate".
And finally a lesson in antonyms; read #2 until you perceive disobey in "reject".
First JESUS will not be in any church who does not obey him, he may be wispering to everyone in that church just as he does to people not in any church but will not force any doors open, he will knock and wait for someone to answer.
Things should have a lot less confusing if you just told me when I asked what do you have to do to be reborn?
After looking at EVERY scritpute you shared.
I think I see the problem, which is you are putting the cart before the horse.
All of the scriptures you posted are for those who have been reborn.
WHAT GOOD ARE THEY IF YOUR NOT?????
What is the GOSPEL? repent and believe and TRY to obey his commandments and love one and the other?
After you do that you think you have the Holy Ghost which leads you.
Doing that gets you access to Heaven?
ANY CHANCE YOU CAN JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION???
Is the GOSPEL? repent and believe and TRY to obey his commandments and love one and the other and after that the Holy Ghost which leads you.
And don't tell me to go to a different place, answer right here.
Your reply could be simple? Bet not, it could be yes or no. Then explain away.
We seem to agree about the problem, if you put the cart/works before the horse/faith,
because here is what I say about that on our website:
Prayer is an integral aspect of spiritual dynamics or how the Spirit of God communes with Believers. The second main type of response by Believers is doing good works, which would lead into discussion of a myriad of moral (didachaic) topics that is beyond the scope of this lesson. Let us simply say that saints should seek to become morally perfect (MT 5:48) or pure (PHP 1:10& 2:15) or spiritually mature (EPH 4:13, PHP 3:12-15), which means to remain filled by or to be in step with the Holy Spirit (GL 5:25) more and more of the time (PHP 1:9, 1THS 4:1 &10).
No one achieves moral perfection in this life (PHP 3:12), but no one who lacks divine love will reap eternal life with God (GL 6:7-8). Thus, a person who claims to be godly but who is behaving in an ungodly (unloving, untruthful) manner may be in one of the following categories:
a. a normally loving person observed during a rare moment when he/she acted uncharacteristically (PHP 3:12-16),
b. an immature Believer, who is making progress–you should have known him/her a year ago! (1CR 3:1-3, EPH 4:11-15)
c. a truthseeker who has not yet learned the correct interpretation of God’s Word (1CR 6:9-11, EPH 5:8-9), or
d. a pseudo-Christian (MT 7:21, 1JN 2:19), who may affirm morality while rejecting its divine rationale.
e. an apostate (1JN 2:19, HB 6:4-6), who once believed but became blasphemous or foolish and ship-wrecked their faith (1TM 1:19-20).
Paul listed some sins he implied genuine Christians would not typically commit (in 1CR 6:9-10), saying: “Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived, neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.” Apparently, although a new Christian might commit such sins occasionally, it is inconceivable (because antithetical to NT teaching) that a mature Christian would commit them so typically that the person could be classified as an adulterer, for example. Atheists might try to practice the “Golden Rule”, but the key issue for them on judgment day will be explaining what good reason they had for rejecting God rather than glorifying Him as the One who determines what is good/golden.
Sinners can overcome selfishness only by becoming one with Christ via faith in Him/God as Lord and thereby sharing His goodness because of union with His/God’s Holy Spirit. This spiritual union is denoted by references to those who have saving faith as children of God the Father (RM 8:14-16). This is why Christianity is a relationship with God motivated by gratitude for God’s grace (PS 100, EPH 2:4-8) rather than a legalistic religion of working to merit God’s mercy because of fear of punishment.
Accepting Jesus as Christ and Lord implies the reason that the kerygma is stated in terms of believing right and behaving right. We can harmonize these two categories of teachings by understanding that right or saving faith precedes and produces good works or working faith that loves. The priority of faith is indicated by James 2:17, which says that “faith by itself, if it is not accompanied [manifested] by action, is dead.” And Paul (in GL 5:6) states, “the only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.” Ephesians 2:8-9, which emphasizes salvation by grace through faith, is followed in verse 10 by: “For we are God’s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works.”
In other words, right faith in God/Christ is the horse that pulls a cartload of good works. Good or loving works are significant as the sign of saving faith, but we should never put the cart before the horse. A person who claims to be a Christian, but who seems selfish and unloving, may be making a false profession; but no particular work—even including outward confession and water baptism—is necessary in order to be saved and to become a Christian. Saving faith motivates good works.
Again, the evidence of saving faith or satisfying GRFS is working faith, love or helping humanity (JN 13:35). Disciples of Jesus (or Believers) tend to love and help others, not by virtue of their own goodness, but because they are moved or motivated by the loving Spirit of the Lord. Christians love everyone by reflecting God’s love (MT 5:44&48, 1TM 2:3-4, RM 5:5-8 & 1JN 4:7-19). Humans can never become good enough to earn or merit salvation as a reward for right behavior. A person cannot be good by doing good. Those who try to attain heaven by imitating Christ-like behavior without accepting Christ’s Lordship and atonement do not merely fall short (RM 3:23) but actually go in the opposite direction (GL 5:4), so we should cooperate with God’s Way.
Someone who does not hunger and thirst after righteousness (MT 5:6) and LGW (PS 119:9) needs to reevaluate the sincerity of his/her profession of faith in the Lord. As Paul says (in 2CR 13:5), “Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith.” The spiritual beauty of God’s truth is as awe-inspiring or attractive as the physical beauty of God’s world for one who has the Spirit/mind of Christ (1CR 2:12-16).
I'm just trying to get an answer, yep just read the first sentence and that was it.
SO MUCH CONFUSION, SO MANY RABBIT TRAILS TO GO DOWN.
I don't care what's in your web sight I ONLY CARE ABOUT JESUS and HIS WORD.
I have NO IDEA where you get works from, but I can't follow you and your thoughs anyway.
I'M TRYING TO?
Is the GOSPEL? repent and believe and TRY to obey his commandments and love one and the other and after that the Holy Ghost will lead you???
Well, most everything I have learned from GW during my 75 years is on OUR website to use as a resource.
I thought we agreed on the problem and could discuss our opposite order of horse/faith and cart/works.
My order is explained in the middle two paragraphs:
Accepting Jesus as Christ and Lord implies the reason that the kerygma is stated in terms of believing right and behaving right. We can harmonize these two categories of teachings by understanding that right or saving faith precedes and produces good works or working faith that loves. The priority of faith is indicated by James 2:17, which says that “faith by itself, if it is not accompanied [manifested] by action, is dead.” And Paul (in Gal. 5:6) states, “the only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.” Ephesians 2:8-9, which emphasizes salvation by grace through faith, is followed in verse 10 by: “For we are God’s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works.”
In other words, right faith in God/Christ is the horse that pulls a cartload of good works. Good or loving works are significant as the sign of saving faith, but we should never put the cart before the horse. A person who claims to be a Christian, but who seems selfish and unloving, may be making a false profession; but no particular work—even including outward confession and water baptism—is necessary in order to be saved and to become a Christian. Saving faith motivates good works.
And you disagree with what?
The question was,
Is the GOSPEL? repent and believe and TRY to obey his commandments and love one and the other and after that the Holy Ghost will lead you???
Just can't answer can you???
If you were really interested in JESUS and HIS word you would follow JESUS and HIS word and stop relying on yourself.
I do agree with faith produces good works, and we are to love one and the other.
What do I disagree with? FOUNDATION.
"Accepting Jesus as Christ and Lord implies the reason that the kerygma is stated in terms of believing right and behaving right. "
"A person who claims to be a Christian, but who seems selfish and unloving, may be making a false profession; but no particular work—even including outward confession and water baptism—is necessary in order to be saved and to become a Christian. Saving faith motivates good works"
I have to read between the lines because you just can't answer any questions.
So your saying, we have to accept JESUS, then to prove it we have to be baptized as an outward confession but is necessary to be saved and saving faith motivates good works, which love is a part of it?
Can you make up your mind??
What happened to,
Repent and believe and TRY to obey his commandments and love one and the other and after that the Holy Ghost will lead you???
1. We have to accept JESUS as our lord
2. Being baptized is an outward confession
3. Saving faith? How does faith save you?
But anyway PROVE #1,2 and 3 with HIS WORD OR IT'S A LIE FROM SATAN.
I answer, but you either don't comprehend or don't agree, so there we are.
I am glad we agree that saving faith precedes and produces loving/good works.
Faith in Jesus as Lord saves us in the same way faith in the Lord God saved Abraham (Romans 4).
1. Acts 16:31.
2. Romans 6:3-11.
3. Romans 4:1-25.