Israel.

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

This is incorrect because spiritually once you are saved you become a citizen of Heaven and only a sojourner to earth. There are no more ethnicities like Jews or Gentiles. So you are creating a heretical parody by even applying the 2 concepts of ethnicity + place on Earth such as Israel together. The only Israel that will ever exist is 100% earthly and natural. So if your salvation has rewarded you an earthly home you are serving the WRONG GOD!

Natural Israel were only sojourners on earth. Everyone is because they die. No permanent residence here, but there will be when Christ returns with the Israel of God.

The land shall not be sold for ever: for the land [is] mine; for ye [are] foreigners and sojourners with me. Leviticus 25:23​

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Jacob prophesied that Israel would become a spiritual nation based on faith when he said the seed of Ephraim, who inherited all of the promises to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and whose name became synonymous with Israel, would become the fullness of gentiles. This is obviously talking about a spiritual reality that began at Pentecost when Israel that was sown in death among the nations was raised from the dead out of the valley of dry bones to become a spiritual nation born in one day. Jacob obviously was not talking about Ephraim's physical seed,

And his father [Jacob] refused, and said, I know, my son, I know. He [Manasseh] also shall become a people, and he also shall be great: but truly his younger brother [Ephraim] shall be greater than he, and his seed will become a fullness of gentiles. Genesis 48:19​

 

[lrs68]

Natural Israel were only sojourners on earth. Everyone is because they die. No permanent residence here, but there will be when Christ returns with the Israel of God.

The land shall not be sold for ever: for the land [is] mine; for ye [are] foreigners and sojourners with me. Leviticus 25:23​

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Jacob prophesied that Israel would become a spiritual nation based on faith when he said the seed of Ephraim, who inherited all of the promises to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and whose name became synonymous with Israel, would become the fullness of gentiles. This is obviously talking about a spiritual reality that began at Pentecost when Israel that was sown in death among the nations was raised from the dead out of the valley of dry bones to become a spiritual nation born in one day. Jacob obviously was not talking about Ephraim's physical seed,

And his father [Jacob] refused, and said, I know, my son, I know. He [Manasseh] also shall become a people, and he also shall be great: but truly his younger brother [Ephraim] shall be greater than he, and his seed will become a fullness of gentiles. Genesis 48:19​

New Jerusalem, hence king of Salem [JeruSALEM] is not nor will ever be Israel the Nation.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

I have watched several informative videos including the survivors from October 7 when they slaughtered thousands of Jews, cut them in half, had sex with dead and alive and then killing them. Every woman was raped by at least 5 men.

All of that stuff has been debunked on Israel media and by eyewitnesses (even released hostages). Most were killed by the IDF's indiscriminate implementation of the Hanibal Directive. This has been admitted by Israel's media.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

The bible is not divided into literal and spiritual; it is divided into natural (carnal, physical, worldly) and supernatural (spiritual). Unbelieving TV CINO preachers (Christian in name only) have popularized usage of the term literal to hide their carnality and unbelief in order to appear spiritual to the gullible masses. They disparage spirtualizing a spiritual book by carnalizing it so their carnality can look spiritual

spiritualize

1. To impart a spiritual nature to.
2. To invest with or treat as having a spiritual sense or meaning.
3. To refine intellectiually or morally; to purify from the corrupting influence of the world; to give a spiritual character or tendency to.

carnalize

1. To make carnal; to debase to carnality.

Literal can mean either natural or spiritual depending on the author's intent. Here's a good example of how spiritual discernment is required in order to discern what the bible is literally saying.

For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. Romans 7:14​

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For [it is] evident that our Lord sprang out of Judah, of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood. And it is yet far more evident for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest, Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life. Hebrews 7:14-16​

So in one instance the law is called spiritual and in another the law is called carnal. How do we determine the literal truth? By spiritual discernment through which we understand that there is a physical aspect of law, ie the letters witten on paper or carved into stone, and a spiritual aspect of law, ie the invisible words of God. So there is a physical aspect to law and a spiritual aspect to law. This rule applies to virtually everything in the bible.

“So there is a physical aspect to law and a spiritual aspect to law. “

amen because there is a physical part to man and a spiritual part to man

 

[lrs68]

All of that stuff has been debunked on Israel media and by eyewitnesses (even released hostages). Most were killed by the IDF's indiscriminate implementation of the Hanibal Directive. This has been admitted by Israel's media.

I doubt that very much since verified police officers from the scene are on record denying the baloney you are attempting to spew.

 

[HeIsHere]

i mean the focus on Israel because spiritually once you are saved you become a citizen of Heaven and only a sojourner to earth. There are no more ethnicities like Jews or Gentiles. So you are creating a heretical parody by even applying the 2 concepts of ethnicity + place on Earth such as Israel together. The only Israel that will ever exist is 100% earthly and natural. So if your salvation has rewarded you an earthly home you are serving the WRONG GOD!

I have no idea where from or how you derived this result from my words.
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[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

I doubt that very much since verified police officers from the scene are on record denying the baloney you are attempting to spew.

Dude, I've seen videos and read news reports from Israel of eyewitnesses and IDF commanders admitting these things. I've seen videos of IDF tanks unloading shells into a kibbutz house containing Hamas and Israeli hostages. There were only 2 survivors, one of which told what happened in an interview.

 

[HeIsHere]

The Jewish children are being taught the Torah.

You mean the Talmud.

 

[HeIsHere]

Dude, I've seen videos and read news reports from Israel of eyewitnesses and IDF commanders admitting these things. I've seen videos of IDF tanks unloading shells into a kibbutz house containing Hamas and Israeli hostages. There were only 2 survivors, one of which told what happened in an interview.

Thank you, this disinformation campaign/propaganda runs very, very deep.

 

[HeIsHere]

Common sense...



It's very simple. When Jesus used parables, are they to be taken literally or spiritually? Some things in the Bible are meant to be taken spiritually, some things literally.

Spiritual is literal.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Right and Jews spit on Christians and are often bullied but I am a Muslim now .. and on and on ...the game of who is more evil, that is not my point at all.
Have a good day.

Netanyahu’s office insisted on Tuesday that Israel “is totally committed to safeguard the sacred right of worship and pilgrimage to the holy sites of all faiths.”
“I strongly condemn any attempt to intimidate worshippers, and I am committed to taking immediate and decisive action against it,” he said.
Offensive behavior toward worshippers is a desecration and is unacceptable.” Israeli Foreign Minister Eli Cohen said spitting at Christians “does not represent Jewish values.”

Israel Police arrested five people Wednesday on suspicion of spitting towards Christians or churches in the Old City of Jerusalem, they announced, following an uproar a day earlier over Orthodox Jews spitting at Christian pilgrims.One of the individuals was arrested on assault charges, and the other four were arrested on suspicion of unlawful disorderly conduct.The one charged with assault spat on a person, while the others spat towards people, police said to explain the different charges.

Jerusalem Police District Commander, Doron Turgeman, said police would not tolerate “expressions of hatred towards anyone, Jews, Muslims, or Christians in the Old City and anywhere else in Jerusalem.”

On Tuesday, Israel’s Ashkenazi Chief Rabbi David Lau strongly condemned “harm to any person and any religious leader. These immoral phenomena have certainly nothing to do with Jewish law.”

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Spiritual is literal.

“If your right eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. And if your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell”

I don't see a lot of one eyed one armed Christians running around, do you??!

 

[HeIsHere]

Netanyahu’s office insisted on Tuesday that Israel “is totally committed to safeguard the sacred right of worship and pilgrimage to the holy sites of all faiths.”
“I strongly condemn any attempt to intimidate worshippers, and I am committed to taking immediate and decisive action against it,” he said.
Offensive behavior toward worshippers is a desecration and is unacceptable.” Israeli Foreign Minister Eli Cohen said spitting at Christians “does not represent Jewish values.”

Israel Police arrested five people Wednesday on suspicion of spitting towards Christians or churches in the Old City of Jerusalem, they announced, following an uproar a day earlier over Orthodox Jews spitting at Christian pilgrims.One of the individuals was arrested on assault charges, and the other four were arrested on suspicion of unlawful disorderly conduct.The one charged with assault spat on a person, while the others spat towards people, police said to explain the different charges.

Jerusalem Police District Commander, Doron Turgeman, said police would not tolerate “expressions of hatred towards anyone, Jews, Muslims, or Christians in the Old City and anywhere else in Jerusalem.”

On Tuesday, Israel’s Ashkenazi Chief Rabbi David Lau strongly condemned “harm to any person and any religious leader. These immoral phenomena have certainly nothing to do with Jewish law.”

I suppose we are to trust his words now, a man who is facing criminal charges by his own government when the war ends.

Well it is about time, they did something, how about them teaching their children that the Talmud is wrong and they should not spit at Christians.

Of course we can also add in that just perhaps, they need to keep that money flowing to support the g***de effort,

after all that is amazing piece of real estate they let slip, and just like Christians are jumping ship on DT, they are also jumping ship on the supposed best ally when the truth is being spread far and wide.

The Conservative pod casters are slowly dismantling the propaganda machine, but not soon enough.

 

[HeIsHere]

“If your right eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. And if your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell”

I don't see a lot of one eyed one armed Christians running around, do you??!

That is not spiritual, that is abstract, conceptual.

 

[lrs68]

Dude, I've seen videos and read news reports from Israel of eyewitnesses and IDF commanders admitting these things. I've seen videos of IDF tanks unloading shells into a kibbutz house containing Hamas and Israeli hostages. There were only 2 survivors, one of which told what happened in an interview.

I'm talking about October 7

 

[lrs68]

You mean the Talmud.

The Talmud is a book of Rabbi interpretation and no one under the age of 10 is able to read it for themselves. So I mean Torah and nothing else.

You learn the Torah and begin the rest of the Tanakh and I like to say see if the Rabbis interpreted it correctly in the Talmud.

 

[HeIsHere]

The Talmud is a book of Rabbi interpretation and no one under the age of 10 is able to read it for themselves. So I mean Torah and nothing else.

You are still a child after ten and impressionable.

 

[lrs68]

You are still a child after ten and impressionable.

You learn the Torah and begin the rest of the Tanakh and I like to say see if the Rabbis interpreted it correctly in the Talmud.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

I'm talking about October 7

That's exactly what I'm talking about

 

[rogerg]

Common sense...

Don't think so:

[1Co 2:12-14 KJV]
12 Now we have received,not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.

It's very simple. When Jesus used parables, are they to be taken literally or spiritually? Some things in the Bible are meant to be taken spiritually, some things literally.

Just out of curiosity, which of the parables He spoke are the ones to be taken literally?

[Mar 4:11-12 KJV]
11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all [these] things are done in parables:
12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and [their] sins should be forgiven them.