Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[GWH]

Spoken like a proud pot.

My point was to be more tolerant of ideas as long as they are consistent with GW.
I have endeavored to be as tolerant as possible of tulip dogma,
refraining from engaging in vitriol but instead studying Scripture y'all suggest,
and I have noted the stunned silence following your chagrin at learning
all three passages supported MFW more than TULIP.

 

[LifelongLearner]

Sorry to hear about your arthritis cross, but I guess it is that pain instead of bad hair that causes your short fuse.
May you get well soon!

Ooh, very deceitful GWH, nowt new about that from you

 

[GWH]

People only make analogies that support their position, whether it is truly representative of scripture or not.

Well, NOT is wrong.

 

[Cameron143]

That was my point exactly, it is not in the story.

The man was offered help and he took it.

The man was half dead and helpless. There is nothing in the story about him accepting help. You would have made an excellent mathematician with all the adding you do.

 

[HeIsHere]

Y'all make up stuff continually, so don't be the pot who called...!

It is rather silly to say did he reach out for help?

It is the old thing about being dead, a corpse and unable.That is the truly bad analogy

Does anyone really believe the story, is about the man's inability to ask for help, aside from TULIP adherents.
Always with the eisegesis.

 

[GWH]

Sure, that's the point. We have God breathed examples.

But that does not necessarily mean extra-biblical examples are bad examples.
Cut some slack; don't be anal!

 

[HeIsHere]

The man was half dead and helpless. There is nothing in the story about him accepting help. You would have made an excellent mathematician with all the adding you do.

My point is the story is not a treatise on INABILITY.

That is being read into the story.
The story is about Christ Jesus and His work.

 

[Cameron143]

My point was to be more tolerant of ideas as long as they are consistent with GW.
I have endeavored to be as tolerant as possible of tulip dogma,
refraining from engaging in vitriol but instead studying Scripture y'all suggest,
and I have noted the stunned silence following your chagrin at learning
all three passages supported MFW more than TULIP.

Your response simply includes your bias while never dealing with myriad verses that demonstrate that while men can make choices, their will is far from unfettered.

 

[Cameron143]

But that does not necessarily mean extra-biblical examples are bad examples.
Cut some slack; don't be anal!

Your frustration is noted.

 

[Cameron143]

My point is the story is not a treatise on INABILITY.

That is being read into the story.
The story is about Christ Jesus and His work.

I agree with your first statement, but Jesus wouldn't tell a story that doesn't reconcile with scripture as a whole.

 

[GWH]

Your response simply includes your bias while never dealing with myriad verses that demonstrate that while men can make choices, their will is far from unfettered.

No YOUR reply indicates YOUR bias, because I never said MFW is "unfetterred",
and I am willing to study any other Scripture you suggest.

 

[GWH]

Your frustration is noted.

But you fail to note that I share the frustration of Jesus and Paul at the divisive spirit among their followers.

 

[Cameron143]

No YOUR reply indicates YOUR bias, because I never said MFW is "unfetterred",
and I am willing to study any other Scripture you suggest.

Even with someone who is anal? This promotes unity?

 

[Cameron143]

But you fail to note that I share the frustration of Jesus and Paul at the divisive spirit among their followers.

You are simply frustrated when people disagree with you.

 

[HeIsHere]

I agree with your first statement, but Jesus wouldn't tell a story that doesn't reconcile with scripture as a whole.

Correct, that is why he does not mention "inability" it at all, because if He had, He would have been contradicting Himself and the Good News.

 

[GWH]

Even with someone who is anal?

Well, I have discussed Scripture with BB, Mag & Ruf, so why not with Cam?

 

[Magenta]

From Romans 7 verses 18-19 Journey from Inability to Ability I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out... I keep on doing the evil I do not want to do. Praise be to God for circumcising my sinful nature, causing me to obey by putting His Holy Spirit in me, and giving me a new heart.

 

[Cameron143]

Correct, that is why he does not mention "inability" it at all, because if He had, He would have been contradicting Himself and the Good News.

The inability is self evident.

 

[GWH]

You are simply frustrated when people disagree with you.

Only because I was once a tulipist too, but I had sufficient desire to learn GW that overcame the error I had been taught,
and I do not sense that y'all share sufficient MFW to overcome your brainwashing--but I hope I am wrong.

 

[Cameron143]

Well, I have discussed Scripture with BB, Mag & Ruf, so why not with Cam?

Because for all you say about how you desire unity, you are only really interested in promoting what you believe and not in learning why people believe as they do.