Israel.

[Needevidence]

Show me where I said you don't have to follow Christ? Try reading what I said.



All kinds of people posting/trolling here. You weren't conveniently ignored.




Judaism is the religion of the Jews.




Same answer, Abrahamic covenant was uncondtional. Other verses I shared shows it was everlasting.




Been debunked a long time ago.




They have never committed genocide. Even though they have a reason to.




Took me two minutes, literally, to debunk that. Fact check FB posts is a good rule of thumb.





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El Olam ... what does this term mean?





So I'm tired of repeating the same answers. Here's a question for you. How were covenants made between two people in the OT?

Thank you for your response.



# Judaism is the religion of the Jews – yes now, but did not exist until the 12th -13th Century – nothing to do with Abraham, Isaac, Jacob etc… came from the Hebrew word - "Yehudi," meaning "of Judah"

‘Khazars’ – Not beduked at all – fact – where do you get your information

Not committed Genocide – WHAT!!!! – blinded!


DNA – don’t know what you are reading - testing is controlled very tightly – see https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Health/GeneticInformationLaw.pdf



Abrahams MANY nations – what you have shown is descendants – that’s different from what NATIONS means (different ethnics groups, people) – Jews are 1 race / nation – to be many have to be others ie non jews as well. Matt 28:19 - Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,



Covenants – I don’t really understand your point – but the point I am making is, if its ‘everlasting’ – then you don’t need a new covenant.

Another example;

Hebrews 8:

7 For if that first covenant had been free of fault, no circumstances would have been sought for a second.
8 Because finding fault with them, He says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah —
9 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the LORD.
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
13 In that He says, “ A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

[so is it everlasting, obsolete, new covenant !!!!!!!]


El Olam – you can imply forever when it comes to God - obviously God is everlasting – however, that doesn’t change the meaning of the word – duration / period. I have shown you evidence from ‘Strong's Concordance 5769’ not my opinion.

If you believe in the End Times – then clearly its not forever.



You overlooked - Isaiah 32: 14 & 15

14 For the palace will be forsaken, the busy city abandoned. The hill and the watchtower will become caves forever (‘ō-w-lām)—the delight of wild donkeys and a pasture for flocks—

15 until the Spirit is poured out upon us from on high. Then the desert will be an orchard, and the orchard will seem like a forest.


SO IS IT forever or until?


Cambridge Commentary says:

The phrase for ever must be understood in a relative sense, being restricted by the “until” of Isaiah 32:15.



Numerous sources including Jewish sources on the internet.

 

[Leastofall]

John 1
9That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. 10He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11He came unto his own, and his own received him not.


Let's get the facts straight?

John 1
9That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. 10He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

Additional verses in the link.

You may want to reevaluate your position.

https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Rejection-Of-Christ

Let my position stand clear. What i have posted on this thread is a over view of what the state of Israel is all about.
Pointing out that Jesus contended with the Jewish authority for their practices and teachings not with every jew he ment,
That there were many that believed and followed. For the word of the Lord does not return void.
I have posted basic scriptural facts concerning these end time events.
I however did not fine point nor deny the divorcement or separation depending on your view and the effects of it.

To the point.
We are to love God and hate sin.
Many Christians and so called Christians have gone against Israel as a whole as you can tell by some of the foolish post made here.
With foolish beliefs but full of hate. So I ask .....which one of you knows the heart of a man? Which one of you can truly know his thoughts? For the outside appearance does not always reflect the inward.
Are we called to hate and ridicule?
Let me remind you all, The world is not blessed as we are in knowing the truth it cannot see and does not want to see the light.
I'd rather stand with God and be judged by the world...than stand with the world and be judged by God.
When we promote and advocate evil and hatred towards Israel no matter how small or our view we have become part of
The enmity.
The God that I serve is a never changing God so I will bless Israel to be blessed. I will and do pray for Israel's peace.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

The bible is not divided into literal and spiritual; it is divided into natural (carnal, physical, worldly) and supernatural (spiritual). Unbelieving TV CINO preachers (Christian in name only) have popularized usage of the term literal to hide their carnality and unbelief in order to appear spiritual to the gullible masses. They disparage spirtualizing a spiritual book by carnalizing it so their carnality can look spiritual

spiritualize

1. To impart a spiritual nature to.
2. To invest with or treat as having a spiritual sense or meaning.
3. To refine intellectiually or morally; to purify from the corrupting influence of the world; to give a spiritual character or tendency to.

carnalize

1. To make carnal; to debase to carnality.

Literal can mean either natural or spiritual depending on the author's intent. Here's a good example of how spiritual discernment is required in order to discern what the bible is literally saying.

For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. Romans 7:14​

​

For [it is] evident that our Lord sprang out of Judah, of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood. And it is yet far more evident for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest, Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life. Hebrews 7:14-16​

So in one instance the law is called spiritual and in another the law is called carnal. How do we determine the literal truth? By spiritual discernment through which we understand that there is a physical aspect of law, ie the letters witten on paper or carved into stone, and a spiritual aspect of law, ie the invisible words of God. So there is a physical aspect to law and a spiritual aspect to law. This rule applies to virtually everything in the bible.

 

[PennEd]

Where are the facts wrong in that statement? Do Jews not have a right to a homeland? If not why not? If not there, where? Blowing off every post you don't like doesn't make you right.

They do not support a Jewish homeland ANYWHERE on planet Earth.

Remember, this is a Satanic hatred. It's not fully understandable. It's like trying to tell an unbeliever that we are saved because God became flesh, died for our sins and rose to Life again. It's foolishness to them.

These "Christians" have zero problem with a half dozen or MORE Islamic states, but they simply can't allow the Jews to have a speck of homeland that is labeled a Jewish state.

Why? Because their mere presence there DESTROYS their heretical doctrine of replacement theology.

 

[PennEd]

There's no such thing as taking the bible literally. You either discern its spiritual meanings or you interpret it carnally and wander off into error.

This is one of the most foolish things I've ever seen on CC.

OF COURSE we allow the Holy Spirit to enlighten us as we read the Word, but to say It's EITHER literal or Spiritual is beyond absurd.

There are LITERALLY thousands of proofs against this:

Was there an actual Adam and Eve?
Did Noah's Flood literally happen?
Was there really a King David?

Did ChristRiseFromtheDead? Literally?

Astonishing what some believe when they reject the Truth.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

This is one of the most foolish things I've ever seen on CC.

OF COURSE we allow the Holy Spirit to enlighten us as we read the Word, but to say It's EITHER literal or Spiritual is beyond absurd.

There are LITERALLY thousands of proofs against this:

Was there an actual Adam and Eve?
Did Noah's Flood literally happen?
Was there really a King David?

Did ChristRiseFromtheDead? Literally?

Astonishing what some believe when they reject the Truth.

Literal doesn't mean natural; it means actual/factual/real. Literal can mean natural (carnal, physical, worldly) or supernatural (spiritual). Spiritual is actually (literally) more real than natural. You are attempting to restrict the meaning of literal to not figurative/allegorical/metaphorical, ie physical.

 

[HeIsHere]

Literal doesn't mean natural; it means actual/factual/real. Literal can mean natural (carnal, physical, worldly) or supernatural (spiritual). Spiritual is actually (literally) more real than natural. You are attempting to restrict the meaning of literal to not figurative/allegorical/metaphorical, ie physical.

Agree the dividing line is between the literal and the abstract/conceptual.

 

[PennEd]

Literal doesn't mean natural; it means actual/factual/real. Literal can mean natural (carnal, physical, worldly) or supernatural (spiritual). Spiritual is actually (literally) more real than natural. You are attempting to restrict the meaning of literal to not figurative/allegorical/metaphorical, ie physical.

Word salad much?

God LITERALLY said He would regather the Jews a SECOND time.

And He's in the process of doing that right now.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Word salad much?

God LITERALLY said He would regather the Jews a SECOND time.

And He's in the process of doing that right now.

Started at Pentecost, has progressed for nearly 2000 years and will continue until the lord returns

 

[lrs68]

Started at Pentecost, has progressed for nearly 2000 years and will continue until the lord returns

This is incorrect because spiritually once you are saved you become a citizen of Heaven and only a sojourner to earth. There are no more ethnicities like Jews or Gentiles. So you are creating a heretical parody by even applying the 2 concepts of ethnicity + place on Earth such as Israel together. The only Israel that will ever exist is 100% earthly and natural. So if your salvation has rewarded you an earthly home you are serving the WRONG GOD!

 

[Aaron56]

Thank you for your response.



# Judaism is the religion of the Jews – yes now, but did not exist until the 12th -13th Century – nothing to do with Abraham, Isaac, Jacob etc… came from the Hebrew word - "Yehudi," meaning "of Judah"

‘Khazars’ – Not beduked at all – fact – where do you get your information

Not committed Genocide – WHAT!!!! – blinded!


DNA – don’t know what you are reading - testing is controlled very tightly – see https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Health/GeneticInformationLaw.pdf



Abrahams MANY nations – what you have shown is descendants – that’s different from what NATIONS means (different ethnics groups, people) – Jews are 1 race / nation – to be many have to be others ie non jews as well. Matt 28:19 - Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,



Covenants – I don’t really understand your point – but the point I am making is, if its ‘everlasting’ – then you don’t need a new covenant.

Another example;

Hebrews 8:

7 For if that first covenant had been free of fault, no circumstances would have been sought for a second.
8 Because finding fault with them, He says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah —
9 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the LORD.
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
13 In that He says, “ A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

[so is it everlasting, obsolete, new covenant !!!!!!!]


El Olam – you can imply forever when it comes to God - obviously God is everlasting – however, that doesn’t change the meaning of the word – duration / period. I have shown you evidence from ‘Strong's Concordance 5769’ not my opinion.

If you believe in the End Times – then clearly its not forever.



You overlooked - Isaiah 32: 14 & 15

14 For the palace will be forsaken, the busy city abandoned. The hill and the watchtower will become caves forever (‘ō-w-lām)—the delight of wild donkeys and a pasture for flocks—

15 until the Spirit is poured out upon us from on high. Then the desert will be an orchard, and the orchard will seem like a forest.


SO IS IT forever or until?


Cambridge Commentary says:

The phrase for ever must be understood in a relative sense, being restricted by the “until” of Isaiah 32:15.



Numerous sources including Jewish sources on the internet.

Yeah, it's interesting that among the people who believe natural Israel are "God's people" denounce people who don't agree with them with accusations like "You just hate the Jews!".

No. Actually, a new and living way was made for them: through Christ! Shouldn't that be the wonderful sound of the gospel? The Jews are no longer under the curse of the Law or anything tied to it when they turn to Christ! And, they become more than simply "God's chosen people" they become co-heirs with the Lord of lords!

What really is going on is that most of the Old Covenant believers really worship the United States and its interests. They are also racist against Arabs, even though the Arabs, as Gentiles, are currently being brought to God. Ironically, claiming Jews are special apart from Christ nullifies any motivation for Jews to come to Christ. It is a message that is anti-gospel. It divides Christ into two separate covenants: one for the Jews another for everyone else.

I think this deception is part of the end-days delusion that God has sent the people. In the U.S., many of them voted for a Mormon (a religion they KNEW was a cult) and now a serial adulterer who, on audio, laughed about assaulting women.

"But," they'll say, "Trump does what's right for the U.S."

There's a good chance these same people once quoted the scripture "And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them." and then sprinted to the polls to secure the man who thrives in unfruitful works of darkness.

 

[HeIsHere]

‘Khazars’ – Not beduked at all – fact – where do you get your information

Not committed Genocide – WHAT!!!! – blinded!

Yup!

 

[HeIsHere]

Yeah, it's interesting that among the people who believe natural Israel are "God's people" denounce people who don't agree with them with accusations like "You just hate the Jews!".

No. Actually, a new and living way was made for them: through Christ! Shouldn't that be the wonderful sound of the gospel? The Jews are no longer under the curse of the Law or anything tied to it when they turn to Christ! And, they become more than simply "God's chosen people" they become co-heirs with the Lord of lords!

What really is going on is that most of the Old Covenant believers really worship the United States and its interests. They are also racist against Arabs, even though the Arabs, as Gentiles, are currently being brought to God. Ironically, claiming Jews are special apart from Christ nullifies any motivation for Jews to come to Christ. It is a message that is anti-gospel. It divides Christ into two separate covenants: one for the Jews another for everyone else.

I think this deception is part of the end-days delusion that God has sent the people. In the U.S., many of them voted for a Mormon (a religion they KNEW was a cult) and now a serial adulterer who, on audio, laughed about assaulting women.

"But," they'll say, "Trump does what's right for the U.S."

There's a good chance these same people once quoted the scripture "And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them." and then sprinted to the polls to secure the man who thrives in unfruitful works of darkness.

I really appreciate all you have stated here and mostly agree, however, I do think this delusion is man made.

People can be brainwashed en masse and the techniques / knowledge has been around since the late 1800's.

DT is a very sad blight on the USA and after his latest rant about Ep***n, I am agreeing with many that mostly likely he was part of the whole ring at the very least how could he have not known. There are audio tapes where Ep***n talks about their friendship and their antics with married women.

Love the line "he gave up everything to serve."
Pure indoctrination on auto-repeat.
Having a big audience on a big stage is the best way to keep the grift going.

 

[Daisy2]

Yup!

only the ultra Orthodox support this war have you not seen the protests in Israel?

 

[Aaron56]

Why? Because their mere presence there DESTROYS their heretical doctrine of replacement theology.

Please show me where replacement happens.

 

[HeIsHere]

only the ultra Orthodox support this war have you not seen the protests in Israel?

The war is a cover for genocide, and Hamas was propped up by Israel and there are documents that Netanyooho begged Qatar to keep funding them.

But yes some are opposed but it won't change the plan.

 

[Daisy2]

The war is a cover for genocide, and Hamas was propped up by Israel and there are documents that Netanyooho begged Qatar to keep funding them.

But yes some are opposed but it won't change the plan.

• Direct Support: There is no evidence that Israel created or directly armed Hamas. However, Israel allowed Qatari funds to flow into Gaza, which critics say helped Hamas maintain control. These funds were officially meant for humanitarian relief, fuel, and civil servant salaries, but intelligence warnings indicated some money was diverted to Hamas's military wing.

. Documents and Netanyahu's Role in Qatari Funding

• Netanyahu and Warnings: Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu reportedly received warnings from security officials that Qatari funds were being diverted to Hamas's military activities. Despite these warnings, the policy of allowing Qatari cash transfers continued, to prevent humanitarian collapse and maintain stability in Gaza.
• Begging Qatar?: There is no public evidence Netanyahu "begged" Qatar to fund Hamas. However, the documents and reports indicate Israel facilitated and approved Qatari funding, despite internal concerns about its use.
• 
  
• Internal Opposition and Policy Continuity
• Opposition Within Israel: Some Israeli officials, security experts, and politicians have opposed the policy of allowing Qatari funds to reach Hamas, warning of the risks. These warnings were documented but did not result in a change of policy at the highest level.
• Policy Outcome: Despite internal opposition, the policy continued for years. The rationale was to prevent humanitarian disaster and maintain a divided Palestinian polity, but critics now argue this may have inadvertently strengthened Hamas

 

[lrs68]

The war is a cover for genocide, and Hamas was propped up by Israel and there are documents that Netanyooho begged Qatar to keep funding them.

But yes some are opposed but it won't change the plan.

Do you support abortion because that is a staple concept in Canada like the views are from this post I have quoted?

 

[HeIsHere]

• Direct Support: There is no evidence that Israel created or directly armed Hamas. However, Israel allowed Qatari funds to flow into Gaza, which critics say helped Hamas maintain control. These funds were officially meant for humanitarian relief, fuel, and civil servant salaries, but intelligence warnings indicated some money was diverted to Hamas's military wing.

. Documents and Netanyahu's Role in Qatari Funding

• Netanyahu and Warnings: Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu reportedly received warnings from security officials that Qatari funds were being diverted to Hamas's military activities. Despite these warnings, the policy of allowing Qatari cash transfers continued, to prevent humanitarian collapse and maintain stability in Gaza.
• Begging Qatar?: There is no public evidence Netanyahu "begged" Qatar to fund Hamas. However, the documents and reports indicate Israel facilitated and approved Qatari funding, despite internal concerns about its use.
• 
  
• Internal Opposition and Policy Continuity
• Opposition Within Israel: Some Israeli officials, security experts, and politicians have opposed the policy of allowing Qatari funds to reach Hamas, warning of the risks. These warnings were documented but did not result in a change of policy at the highest level.
• Policy Outcome: Despite internal opposition, the policy continued for years. The rationale was to prevent humanitarian disaster and maintain a divided Palestinian polity, but critics now argue this may have inadvertently strengthened Hamas

ChatGPT is great and regurgitating what it has been fed.
Primary sources are the right source.

 

[HeIsHere]

Do you support abortion because that is a staple concept in Canada like the views are from this post I have quoted?

Have you seen the video clips of people taking boat rides watch Gaza burn and cheer.