God had given us a commandment the Tithes & Offerings. How people today followed the commandment?
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That is a fallacious demand. One cannot prove a negative from silence. What is in the realm of silence is any command within the Law for wage earners to tithe of their monetary income. Trying to throw into this the nonsense of the existence and commonality of currency, one will have to explain Abraham paying currency for the tomb in which Sarah was entombed. Come on! Let's be real here.
So, the onus is on YOU to prove that there is any command in the Law requiring wage earners to hand over a percentage of their wages to the Levites. The tithable items are defined only as percentages of produce and livestock, not monetary wages. Show me where carpenters had to hand over to the Levi's every tenth chair, table, cabinet, plow, et al, to the Levites. Show me where every tenth fish had to be handed over to the Levite. Show to me where every tenth yard of material loomed had to be handed over to the Levites.
The bottom line is that the only time currency was involved is when the appointed place where the tithe was to be taken was too far away. They could sell the tithe, bind up the money in the hand and go to the appointed place. Other than that, the ploy to try and show wage earners handing over a tenth ofntheir wages to the Levites is bankrupt, to say the least.
MM
So, the onus is on YOU to prove that there is any command in the Law requiring wage earners to hand over a percentage of their wages to the Levites. The tithable items are defined only as percentages of produce and livestock, not monetary wages. Show me where carpenters had to hand over to the Levi's every tenth chair, table, cabinet, plow, et al, to the Levites. Show me where every tenth fish had to be handed over to the Levite. Show to me where every tenth yard of material loomed had to be handed over to the Levites.
The bottom line is that the only time currency was involved is when the appointed place where the tithe was to be taken was too far away. They could sell the tithe, bind up the money in the hand and go to the appointed place. Other than that, the ploy to try and show wage earners handing over a tenth ofntheir wages to the Levites is bankrupt, to say the least.
MM
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What are you saying here?
They did not have currency, as in government minted coins.
They had precious metals of value to use.
They had weighted pieces of silver!
It was not money like we think of money today.
Silver was a precious metal commodity, like salt, was used.
Like trading animal skins.
It held a recognized value.
They did not have currency, as in government minted coins.
They had precious metals of value to use.
They had weighted pieces of silver!
Abraham listened to Ephron, and Abraham weighed out for Ephron the silver
that he had named in the hearing of the Hittites, four hundred shekels of silver,
according to the weights current among the merchants. Gen 23:16
that he had named in the hearing of the Hittites, four hundred shekels of silver,
according to the weights current among the merchants. Gen 23:16
It was not money like we think of money today.
Silver was a precious metal commodity, like salt, was used.
Like trading animal skins.
It held a recognized value.
Elements like gold, silver, copper hada value, the value of the coinage depended on the type of metal and the weight of the coin.
And when money failed in the land of Egypt, and in the land of Canaan, all the Egyptians came unto Joseph, and said, Give us bread: for why should we die in thy presence? for the money faileth. Gen 47:15
The concept of tithe, or taxation, was extant prior to the formation of the nation of Israel.
Then Joseph said unto the people, Behold, I have bought you this day and your land for Pharaoh: lo, here is seed for you, and ye shall sow the land. And it shall come to pass in the increase, that ye shall give the fifth part unto Pharaoh, and four parts shall be your own, for seed of the field, and for your food, and for them of your households, and for food for your little ones.Gen 47:23-24
The advent of the our current paper notes was based upon the paper currency being backed by gold and silver.
And when he had agreed with the labourers for a penny a day, he sent them into his vineyard. Matt 20:2
When thou hast made an end of tithing all the tithes of thine increase the third year, which is the year of tithing, and hast given it unto the Levite, the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, that they may eat within thy gates, and be filled;Then thou shalt say before the LORD thy God, I have brought away the hallowed things out of mine house, and also have given them unto the Levite, and unto the stranger, to the fatherless, and to the widow, according to all thy commandments which thou hast commanded me: I have not transgressed thy commandments, neither have I forgotten them: Deut 26:12-13
And when money failed in the land of Egypt, and in the land of Canaan, all the Egyptians came unto Joseph, and said, Give us bread: for why should we die in thy presence? for the money faileth. Gen 47:15
The concept of tithe, or taxation, was extant prior to the formation of the nation of Israel.
Then Joseph said unto the people, Behold, I have bought you this day and your land for Pharaoh: lo, here is seed for you, and ye shall sow the land. And it shall come to pass in the increase, that ye shall give the fifth part unto Pharaoh, and four parts shall be your own, for seed of the field, and for your food, and for them of your households, and for food for your little ones.Gen 47:23-24
The advent of the our current paper notes was based upon the paper currency being backed by gold and silver.
And when he had agreed with the labourers for a penny a day, he sent them into his vineyard. Matt 20:2
When thou hast made an end of tithing all the tithes of thine increase the third year, which is the year of tithing, and hast given it unto the Levite, the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, that they may eat within thy gates, and be filled;Then thou shalt say before the LORD thy God, I have brought away the hallowed things out of mine house, and also have given them unto the Levite, and unto the stranger, to the fatherless, and to the widow, according to all thy commandments which thou hast commanded me: I have not transgressed thy commandments, neither have I forgotten them: Deut 26:12-13
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Other readers might know the answer and let them answer the question.
Why Ancient Israel in The Old Testament as it is written in the Holy Bible is not in the World History?
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None of that shows one command anywhere for wage earners to hand over one red cent of their wages to the Levites as a tithe. Such a command exists nowhere in scripture. Deut. 26 was expressly aimed at those who owned producing lands and livestock, not those who worked their fields for them as laborers who owned nothing that fell within the requirement from which to tithe. This seeming twist of the scriptures is simply not an intuitive application of proper hermeneutics. If this was taught to you by your "pastor," you may need to tell him to stop wrestling the scriptures to his own ends to try and justify his fleecing of all you sheeple.
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Let's get right down into deeper waters here, shall we?
The biblical definition of increase is not something ever applied to monetary wages.
Leviticus 27:32 And concerning the tithe of the herd, or of the flock, even of whatsoever passeth under the rod, the tenth shall be holy unto the LORD.
If a man had only nine sheep born in that year, or nine calves, there was no tenth to pass under the rod, and so even he was not required to hand over a tithe to the Levite. Many a wage earner had not even ONE to pass under the rod, and yet false teaching pastors by the thousands teach the tithe of your wages. Those who are ignorant and pseudo-spiritual enough to follow after all those false teaching vagabonds, you all deserve what you get, which is fleecing.
Please pay close attention to the fact that the Lord didn't ever practice putting His finger on the scale in order to round upward in the numbers to get to that tenth, but many of you sit under "pastors" who will rip you blind if given half a chance.
MM
The biblical definition of increase is not something ever applied to monetary wages.
Leviticus 27:32 And concerning the tithe of the herd, or of the flock, even of whatsoever passeth under the rod, the tenth shall be holy unto the LORD.
If a man had only nine sheep born in that year, or nine calves, there was no tenth to pass under the rod, and so even he was not required to hand over a tithe to the Levite. Many a wage earner had not even ONE to pass under the rod, and yet false teaching pastors by the thousands teach the tithe of your wages. Those who are ignorant and pseudo-spiritual enough to follow after all those false teaching vagabonds, you all deserve what you get, which is fleecing.
Please pay close attention to the fact that the Lord didn't ever practice putting His finger on the scale in order to round upward in the numbers to get to that tenth, but many of you sit under "pastors" who will rip you blind if given half a chance.
MM
Exactly. @Musicmaster has some very good points for those who are stuck in the tithing nonsense.
But those of us who are not.....We give according to His will for us.......And sometimes it is NOT very much, because we can discern the motives behind the money grabbers.
But those of us who are not.....We give according to His will for us.......And sometimes it is NOT very much, because we can discern the motives behind the money grabbers.
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When it says.... God loves a cheerful giver?
I have witnessed to messages telling those about to have the collection plate passed in front of them that God loves it when they do it cheerfully.
Problem is?
The command was not directed to the givers as a warning for them to be cheerful!
It was directed towards the ones who were taking the collection...
Warning them not to bend arms emotionally in extracting money from others.
So, if they want to see cheerful givers?
They better do the good work of putting forth sound and helpful teaching to make the lives of others become clarified with doctrinally sound and defined purpose.
The offering should be taken free of any feelings of compulsion being manipulated and under pressure.
That way, produces a cheerful giver.
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I see. Correct if I'm wrong, but you're saying, then, that the people of the "church age" can redefine tithing in any way they so choose, such as defining true marriage as existing only when the couple possesses that silly piece of paper from City Hall, and allegedly without it, they're just "shacking up? That is some arrogance institutionalists seem to harbor as some sort of badge of honor while ignoring God's ultimate definition within His own written those same people claim they believe.
Actually, my friend, redefining the tithe is precisely what has long since happened; so much so that, through the power of tradition, that horrid practice has become set in stone as yet another of the many socially engineered theologies running like a river of sewage through this very day within the institutional model. This is precisely why I'm not a member of any institutional organization. It's a man-made model that has no requirement laid upon any true believer of which to be a part. Scripture doesn't command anyone to be a part of an audience, racing the backs of each other's heads as the definition for the gathering of believers.
Remember, Jesus stated that where two or three are gathered in His name, He is in their midst. It doesn't say two or three hundred, or a thousand or anything else that institutionalists claim as allegedly being more biblically legitimate. That's a lie like so many others that people like to believe as being true.
No thanks.
MM
Actually, my friend, redefining the tithe is precisely what has long since happened; so much so that, through the power of tradition, that horrid practice has become set in stone as yet another of the many socially engineered theologies running like a river of sewage through this very day within the institutional model. This is precisely why I'm not a member of any institutional organization. It's a man-made model that has no requirement laid upon any true believer of which to be a part. Scripture doesn't command anyone to be a part of an audience, racing the backs of each other's heads as the definition for the gathering of believers.
Remember, Jesus stated that where two or three are gathered in His name, He is in their midst. It doesn't say two or three hundred, or a thousand or anything else that institutionalists claim as allegedly being more biblically legitimate. That's a lie like so many others that people like to believe as being true.
No thanks.
MM
If you would, please share with us how God is pleased with us cheerfully giving of the primary, largest share of one's "giving" into something from which each "giver" reaps direct benefit by way of the luxuries that "giving" affords for them.
When one gives to the poor on the street or across the oceans, what benefit does he or she reap from that REAL giving on this earth, in this life, other than the treasures stored up in Heaven by giving to REAL needs rather than paying one's expected dues to a church club, like the Moose Lodge pays their dues?
There's necessity and then there's luxuries.
Oh, yes, those institutions do have some benevolent outreaches and/or "missionary" support as band-aids to the consciences of the parishioners, yes, but the horrid mar upon the surface of that monolith that reaches up into the sky to the peaks of their spires, there's a demon in every pew or chair laughing at the sheepdom bondage to which the mere audience is entangled while enjoying their warm little fuzzies as they walk out, flipping off their "worship" switch, only to turn it back on the next time they walk back into their over-priced edifice of four walls to go through the motions of the program once more, and plop that money into the passing plate again and again, thinking they're "giving to God."
How cheesy and pathetic it all is...
MM
When one gives to the poor on the street or across the oceans, what benefit does he or she reap from that REAL giving on this earth, in this life, other than the treasures stored up in Heaven by giving to REAL needs rather than paying one's expected dues to a church club, like the Moose Lodge pays their dues?
There's necessity and then there's luxuries.
Oh, yes, those institutions do have some benevolent outreaches and/or "missionary" support as band-aids to the consciences of the parishioners, yes, but the horrid mar upon the surface of that monolith that reaches up into the sky to the peaks of their spires, there's a demon in every pew or chair laughing at the sheepdom bondage to which the mere audience is entangled while enjoying their warm little fuzzies as they walk out, flipping off their "worship" switch, only to turn it back on the next time they walk back into their over-priced edifice of four walls to go through the motions of the program once more, and plop that money into the passing plate again and again, thinking they're "giving to God."
How cheesy and pathetic it all is...
MM