Trumps gonna win.

[ZNP]

Social Security is an entitlement bro. Along with Medicare, Medicaid, welfare and unemployment. We have contributory and non contributory programs. I will just post a link and copy a little of it as far as what are entitlement programs.

"Entitlement Programs of the federal government include Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security, Unemployment Insurance, and welfare programs. Entitlement programs are rights granted to citizens and certain non-citizens by federal law. The programs are either contributory or non-contributory. Non-contributory means the program benefits are available to participants regardless of whether they have contributed to the program."

https://federalsafetynet.com/entitlement-programs/

If social security is an entitlement they have codified robbery. We put money away every two weeks, our money, that was supposed to be held safe by the government for when we retire.

 

[ZNP]

It is an entitlement.

In the sense that the US government has felt entitled to use that money for the last few decades, leaving worthless IOUs as they gut the trust fund. Reminds me of the story asking the bank robber why he ran for political office and he said "because that is where the money is".

 

[DeanM]

Look at the liberals in congress. Ageing hippies with communist tendancies and full blown marxists straight from the colleges with teachers hand picked for their communist views. History teaches that the big colleges were founded on Christian ideals. Marxism is a slow growing cancer that has been steadily growing for a century or more and here we are. Good is bad and bad is good. We are doomed.

 

[Eli1]

@stilllearning i guess the main disagreement here is with the word “entitlement” especially since we know that the left are a bunch of hypocrites .

If this was supposed to be a true retirement fund for all citizens who contribute, it means that these funds should not be used to anything other than retirements for the citizens who contribute.

I mean even I have contributed to social security for 25 years, for some illegal to benefit from Social Security Administration and I’ll probably never see that money if I get to retire anyway.

So that’s the main problem I think. This word “entitlement”.

 

[Kroogz]

@stilllearning i guess the main disagreement here is with the word “entitlement” especially since we know that the left are a bunch of hypocrites .

If this was supposed to be a true retirement fund for all citizens who contribute, it means that these funds should not be used to anything other than retirements for the citizens who contribute.

I mean even I have contributed to social security for 25 years, for some illegal to benefit from Social Security Administration and I’ll probably never see that money if I get to retire anyway.

So that’s the main problem I think. This word “entitlement”.

Both sides have a point.....You MADE the point.

 

[ZNP]

@stilllearning i guess the main disagreement here is with the word “entitlement” especially since we know that the left are a bunch of hypocrites .

If this was supposed to be a true retirement fund for all citizens who contribute, it means that these funds should not be used to anything other than retirements for the citizens who contribute.

I mean even I have contributed to social security for 25 years, for some illegal to benefit from Social Security Administration and I’ll probably never see that money if I get to retire anyway.

So that’s the main problem I think. This word “entitlement”.

I think the main disagreement is with the word trust. We were sold a trust fund by people we cannot trust.

 

[Eli1]

I think the main disagreement is with the word trust. We were sold a trust fund by people we cannot trust.

Well said !

 

[shittim]

We failed in many ways to maintain the republic we were given

 

[Eli1]

We failed in many ways to maintain the republic we were given

Nah, USA is still blessed.
Try living anywhere else so you can see how blessed this land is.

 

[Texasgal]

Does anybody know what happens when a debt limit is too high?
Because i've heard this political bait since Reagan.

Here's what "ai" says:


But as we've learned from the financial collapse of 2008, there's a difference between reality and theory.
I mean, United States is accountable to who in terms of debt? To China? Don't make me laugh. What are the Chinese gonna do? Invade the United States so they can collect money? lol
And what does this even mean? What does debt mean to people in practicality? Increase in taxes? Taxes increase even when the debt is balanced, so what is it?

@Texasgal do you know anything about this?

I guess I’ll have to concur with ZNP on this one.

 

[stilllearning]

@stilllearning i guess the main disagreement here is with the word “entitlement” especially since we know that the left are a bunch of hypocrites .

If this was supposed to be a true retirement fund for all citizens who contribute, it means that these funds should not be used to anything other than retirements for the citizens who contribute.

I mean even I have contributed to social security for 25 years, for some illegal to benefit from Social Security Administration and I’ll probably never see that money if I get to retire anyway.

So that’s the main problem I think. This word “entitlement”.

Appreciate the kindness of your words. It truly has become a emotionally charged word such as other words like the definition of a woman. So my argument was consistent avoiding the emotional charge and sticking to the text book definition and legal definition of entitlement and using it in that manner.

As even the SSA itself does call and define social security an entitlement.

"Understanding Supplemental Security Income Social Security Entitlement -- 2024 Edition

SOCIAL SECURITY ENTITLEMENT REQUIREMENTS

Many people who are eligible for Supplemental Security Income (SSI) may also be entitled to receive Social Security benefits. In fact, the application for SSI benefits is also an application for Social Security benefits. We often need to obtain additional information from the person before we can award Social Security benefits.

The following sections provide information on who may be entitled to Social Security benefits"..........

https://www.ssa.gov/ssi/text-entitle-ussi.htm

So anyway again thanks for the kindness of your words.

 

[Kroogz]

If social security is an entitlement they have codified robbery.

They have codified robbery.

 

[Kroogz]

Nah, USA is still blessed.
Try living anywhere else so you can see how blessed this land is.

I am with you. God always has a free nation to spread His Gospel. It might look bad and be bad, but if His Gospel can freely be dispersed .......He will use that nation.

If we see the USA "shutting down" His Gospel, and see another free nation spreading His Gospel.......Start prepping!

Client nation status....We should all look it up and study it. And The United States of America is His client nation at this time. No other nation is as free as we are to proclaim His Gospel.

 

[Eli1]

Appreciate the kindness of your words. It truly has become a emotionally charged word such as other words like the definition of a woman. So my argument was consistent avoiding the emotional charge and sticking to the text book definition and legal definition of entitlement and using it in that manner.

As even the SSA itself does call and define social security an entitlement.

"Understanding Supplemental Security Income Social Security Entitlement -- 2024 Edition

SOCIAL SECURITY ENTITLEMENT REQUIREMENTS

Many people who are eligible for Supplemental Security Income (SSI) may also be entitled to receive Social Security benefits. In fact, the application for SSI benefits is also an application for Social Security benefits. We often need to obtain additional information from the person before we can award Social Security benefits.

The following sections provide information on who may be entitled to Social Security benefits"..........

https://www.ssa.gov/ssi/text-entitle-ussi.htm

So anyway again thanks for the kindness of your words.

I think ZNP summarized it pretty well in saying that this is ultimately a trust issue.
When you trust a person, a group of people, or an organization with a task to have a fund for retirement only and they use that fund for other things, the worst of it being to help woke agendas, then the trust is lost.
That’s why any other arguments are not going to be accepted because the trust is broken.

 

[stilllearning]

I think ZNP summarized it pretty well in saying that this is ultimately a trust issue.
When you trust a person, a group of people, or an organization with a task to have a fund for retirement only and they use that fund for other things, the worst of it being to help woke agendas, then the trust is lost.
That’s why any other arguments are not going to be accepted because the trust is broken.

It is fundamentally flawed. At the time when they ran their models they never accounted for todays low birth rates due to low marriage rates as well as they never accounted on the industry of mass murder of the unborn. When your model is built on having more workers than retirees. Then you decrease the number of workers while the number of retirees increase it will end up broken.

 

[Kroogz]

It is fundamentally flawed. At the time when they ran their models they never accounted for todays low birth rates due to low marriage rates as well as they never accounted on the industry of mass murder of the unborn. When your model is built on having more workers than retirees. Then you decrease the number of workers while the number of retirees increase it will end up broken.

This is why we can legitimately call social security an entitlement program. Good idea and good at the start.....But the Government is like woke......It all turns to.............. well you know!

 

[shittim]

Nah, USA is still blessed.
Try living anywhere else so you can see how blessed this land is.

That is looking at His Creation though carnal, worldy, eyes. It is after we are saved we each MUST renew our mind to see the world through His lens.
How much more was His Plan for us that we missed?
Jesus modeled how we are to live in relationship to the Father in healing and restoration, now many/most worship man's medicine and Big Pharma.
blessings

 

[Eli1]

That is looking at His Creation though carnal, worldy, eyes. It is after we are saved we each MUST renew our mind to see the world through His lens.
How much more was His Plan for us that we missed?
Jesus modeled how we are to live in relationship to the Father in healing and restoration, now many/most worship man's medicine and Big Pharma.
blessings

It is true that we have to put the Kingdom of God first in our hearts and it’s also true to thank God for the bread before you eat a meal.
It’s about appreciation even when you’re in the worst circumstances for a Christian.
But gratitude needs to be said when you aim for living water in your spirit.

 

[ZNP]

It is fundamentally flawed. At the time when they ran their models they never accounted for todays low birth rates due to low marriage rates as well as they never accounted on the industry of mass murder of the unborn. When your model is built on having more workers than retirees. Then you decrease the number of workers while the number of retirees increase it will end up broken.

Me thinks you give them too much credit.

 

[shittim]

Me thinks you give them too much credit.

And in gratitude do I live, and also for what is coming, read the last part of Revelation.
We can see His work through Israel coming to fruition.