Does Rom 5:18 teach that Christ died for all men without exception ?

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brightfame52

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sawdust said:
All the letters are written TO believers that doesn't mean every word is about believers.

First you say 100% is about believers, then it's 97% .. do I hear 95% ... 95% ... going once! going twice! :ROFL:

I'm not wasting anymore of my time.

Have a nice day.
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Yeah it does mean that, all the scripture is written to believers and the majority of it about believers. There are things about the non elect, but most about the elect. Like all the Epistles are about the elect, except for obvious exceptions. Like in Romans, its entirely for the elect, but reference to the rejected non elect is mentioned in Rom 11:7 as the rest,and following,

7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.

9 And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:

10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.

These have no hope of salvation, never have and will ! They werent elect.

Then the vessels of wrath God made and fits them to destruction Rom 9:20-22

20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?

21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

Lets hope you arent a vessel of wrath being fitted for destruction. Have a nice day
 
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Pilgrimshope said:
Yeah it just says what it says I agree though has nothing to do with me . We are supposed to accept what it says it’s not rocket science or exclusive God sent it to everyone . Basic stuff you don’t need me and I don’t need you to explain anything …. The scripture explains it all
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There are a lot of things in scripture you wont see and cant see, however I see them, and witness them.
 
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Magenta said:
Scripture does say Jesus will draw all men to Himself. Also, foreknowledge is given as a reason for God's selection.
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Yeah he said he would draw all men to himself by the death he died

“And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. This he said, signifying what death he should die.”
‭‭John‬ ‭12:32-33‬ ‭KJV‬‬

notice he doesn’t say he’s going to draw only some chosen group to him but everyone by the cross . And then he died that death and sent the gospel out to everyone
 
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brightfame52 said:
Yeah it does mean that, all the scripture is written to believers and the majority of it about believers. There are things about the non elect, but most about the elect. Like all the Epistles are about the elect, except for obvious exceptions. Like in Romans, its entirely for the elect, but reference to the rejected non elect is mentioned in Rom 11:7 as the rest,and following,

7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.

9 And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:

10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.

These have no hope of salvation, never have and will ! They werent elect.

Then the vessels of wrath God made and fits them to destruction Rom 9:20-22

20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?

21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

Lets hope you arent a vessel of wrath being fitted for destruction. Have a nice day
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The non-elect, another laughable moment. How do you choose that which is not chosen?

Paul is talking about Israel in these verses not mankind in general Rom.11:7 and he also tells us that eventually all Israel will be saved. Rom.11:25-26

If only you understood predestination then we wouldn't have to suffer your constant errors. :)
 
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