Does Rom 5:18 teach that Christ died for all men without exception ?

[brightfame52]

Those Christ brought justification upon was by His one act. Nothing about requiring Faith. Please show me the word Faith in Rom 5:18 2

 

[brightfame52]

You heard the Gospel didn't you? You did that didn't you? Every believer does something. You make it sound like we go to bed an unbeliever and wake up a believer.

There are things we need to do, doesn't mean those actions are what saves us. It is the determination of God to save believers that is what saves.

If Jesus did everything to save you, why must you do something before you are saved ? Evidently all that Jesus did, didnt save you still

 

[brightfame52]

When did he spend time in the Lake of Fire? He died, He was not imprisoned eternally. He cannot deny Himself ergo, He cannot pay the price of His denial.

All that isnt revealed, whats revealed is that He died for the sins of them He died for and took away the penalty of their sin. So they have no sin debt to pay, not death to endure like the 2nd death, for they have Justification of life Rom 5:18

 

[brightfame52]

I do believe without a shadow of a doubt that you purposely ignore the words of Jesus.

And I believe what I believe about you.

 

[brightfame52]

The thief on the cross in Luke 23 "And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom."

brightfame to the thief, "you works exalting idiot how dare you ask the Lord for eternal life, you think you can earn your way into heaven."

And Jesus to the Thief "Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise."

So its your doing that finally saved you, thats woks, exalting man over Christ !

 

[brightfame52]

@reneweddaybyday

Romans 5:18

does not mention the death of Christ.

No but its implied in the phrase Rom 5:18

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

JFB Commentary on Rom 5:18b

upon all men to justification of life—(So Calvin, Bengel, Olshausen, Tholuck, Hodge, Philippi). But better, as we judge: "As through one offense it [came] upon all men to condemnation; even so through one righteousness [it came] upon all men to justification of life"—(So Beza, Grotius, Ferme, Meyer, De Wette, Alford, Revised Version). In this case, the apostle, resuming the statement of Ro 5:12, expresses it in a more concentrated and vivid form—suggested no doubt by the expression in Ro 5:16, "through one offense," representing Christ's whole work, considered as the ground of our justification, as "ONE RIGHTEOUSNESS." (Some would render the peculiar word here employed, "one righteous act" [Alford, &c.]; understanding by it Christ's death as the one redeeming act which reversed the one undoing act of Adam. But this is to limit the apostle's idea too much; for as the same word is properly rendered "righteousness" in Ro 8:4, where it means "the righteousness of the law as fulfilled by us who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit," so here it denotes Christ's whole "obedience unto death," considered as the one meritorious ground of the reversal of the condemnation which came by Adam. But on this, and on the expression, "all men," see on [2200]Ro 5:19. The expression "justification of life," is a vivid combination of two ideas already expatiated upon, meaning "justification entitling to and issuing in the rightful possession and enjoyment of life").

Im not surprised you lack Spiritual discernment to have known that.

 

[brightfame52]

You finally realize your error after the light of Scripture reveals the foolishness of your assertion, so you are revising your claim from:

Post 21 - "Those under condemnation cant be Justified as Per Rom 5:18"

so which is it, brightfam52?

if "the entire passage Rom 5:1-21 is solely about the elect, not all humanity", then only the "elect" are under condemnation

and that would render your statement submitted in post 21 that "those under condemnation cant be Justified as Per Rom 5:18" to be wholly in error.

Quit messing with Scripture ... just believe what is written ... receive the abundance of grace and the gift of God by faith.





oh brother ... "receiving is an effectual giving" ... do you even think before you submit such nonsense???





The word "received" in John 1:16 is the same word used in Rom 5:17 ... lambanō. Faith is the means God has devised ... faith is what actively lays hold of that which God in His grace and mercy gifts to mankind. Those who do not lay hold are the ones who remain under condemnation.





In John 3:27, John was answering a question one of his disciples asked

John 3:25-31 Then there arose a question between some of John's disciples and the Jews about purifying. And they came unto John, and said unto him, Rabbi, he that was with thee beyond Jordan, to whom thou barest witness, behold, the same baptizeth, and all men come to him. John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven. Ye yourselves bear me witness, that I said, I am not the Christ, but that I am sent before him. He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled. He must increase, but I must decrease. He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all.

John was referring to the ministry of the Lord Jesus Christ – which must increase ... and his own ministry – which must decrease. John was the forerunner and John faithfully fulfilled his ministry.
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Rom 5:18 as well as the entire context of Rom 5 is solely limited to the elect. As far as John baptism is concerned, it was still from above, meaning it was directly from God, it wasnt offered. so it is with all Spiritual blessings regarding Salvation and the Spiritual things of God, they are received because they are given, both the giving and the receiving are one and the same. When the Gentiles hearing the Gospel being preached by Peter, the Holy Ghost fell upon them as they were listening, yet its said they received it as a gift

Now pay attention Acts 10:47,45

Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received[active] the Holy Ghost as well as we?

Now observe In vs 45 the Spirit want offered it was sovereignly poured out on them, they were passively recipients


And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Now this incident is called a giving of a Gift Acts 11:17

Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?

Now anyone can see that the Gift was bestowed upon them and they were passive, however it said they received the Gift in vs 47

They did receive it, because it was sovereignly given to them by God as stated in Acts 11:17

Do you understand now ?

Same thing in Rom 5:17 they received [active voice] because it was sovereignly given of God. These are spiritual matters, not your carnal worldly gift giving concept

 

[studier]

It certainly takes absolutely no strength to grab onto, as if you anyone must wrestle it from God's hands. It was offered before anyone even asked for it.

For some of us it was at our weakest that we grabbed hold of it which in God's view was probably at our strongest 2Cor12:10 in essence

 

[lrs68]

And I believe what I believe about you.

But I never said what you are trying to say I did while simultaneously I am proving that you have rejected the words spoken by Jesus.

 

[studier]

@Bob-Carabbio

"totally BOZO"

That's fitting! He's got the big "B" identity going. I wonder if we could get him to change it to the picture.

 

[Bob-Carabbio]

@Bob-Carabbio



This is a horrible statement against Christ.

Actually it's only a "Horrible statement" against a supposed "Theological paradigm".

Depends on your paradigm about what "I" in TULIP means.

 

[Magenta]

Don't ever alter the plain reading of the text.

I don't think you practice what you preach.

 

[brightfame52]

Actually it's only a "Horrible statement" against a supposed "Theological paradigm".

Depends on your paradigm about what "I" in TULIP means.

Like I said, a horrible statement, against the work of Christ !

 

[Inquisitor]

I don't think you practice what you preach.

Huh?

Why a personal attack?

I thought the topic was Romans 5:18?

 

[sawdust]

If Jesus did everything to save you, why must you do something before you are saved ? Evidently all that Jesus did, didnt save you still

So you didn't hear the Gospel? I'm not surprised, you have shown yourself to be deaf in every other instance here.

 

[sawdust]

All that isnt revealed, whats revealed is that He died for the sins of them He died for and took away the penalty of their sin. So they have no sin debt to pay, not death to endure like the 2nd death, for they have Justification of life Rom 5:18

It goes over your head every time.

Have a nice day mate.

 

[Mem]

For some of us it was at our weakest that we grabbed hold of it which in God's view was probably at our strongest 2Cor12:10 in essence

I love that. Takes me back to a strange dream of my crying into the crook of a man's (with the consideration of a husband) shoulder and when he said, "My tap is your strength," and I became aware that it was Jesus that was speaking.

Move over Austin 3:16!
I'll be taking the championship belt, thank you!

 

[Inquisitor]

I don't think you practice what you preach.

I only preach Christ crucified and the Holy Spirit.

1 Corinthians 2:2
For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified.

1 Corinthians 4:20
For the kingdom of God does not consist in words but in power.

So how do I practice what I preach?

 

[reneweddaybyday]

Romans 5:18 does not mention the death of Christ.

No but its implied in the phrase Rom 5:18

rolleyes ... when I (or others who have posted on this thread) point out what Scripture says concerning faith (Rom 5:1) and/or receiving (lambanō ) (Rom 5:17) in relation to Rom 5:18, your response is:

I dont see anything about believing in Rom 5:18

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Not a word about mans actions in Rom 5:18-19

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however, when the omission of words is on your part ... oh, "its implied" ... hypocrisy on full display ...

Im not surprised you lack Spiritual discernment to have known that.

the lack of spiritual discernment is wholly on the side of the one who attempts to align Scripture to his or her dogma ... rather than believe Scripture and throw out all dogma which does not align with Scripture.

1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
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[reneweddaybyday]

Rom 5:18 as well as the entire context of Rom 5 is solely limited to the elect.

again ... what you claim here completely contradicts what you claimed in Post 21:

"Those under condemnation cant be Justified as Per Rom 5:18"​

As far as John baptism is concerned, it was still from above, meaning it was directly from God, it wasnt offered.

The record in John 3:25-31 relates to the ministry of John as the forerunner to the Lord Jesus Christ. John's father, Zachariah, prophesied when John was 8 days old: Luke 1:76 And thou, child, shalt be called the prophet of the Highest: for thou shalt go before the face of the Lord to prepare his ways.


John 1:6-8 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.

so it is with all Spiritual blessings regarding Salvation and the Spiritual things of God, they are received because they are given

clearly not all receive ... God gave His Son to be the savior of the whole world ... yet not all "receive". Those who reject what God has given do not receive the gift of salvation God has given.

both the giving and the receiving are one and the same. When the Gentiles hearing the Gospel being preached by Peter, the Holy Ghost fell upon them as they were listening, yet its said they received it as a gift

Now pay attention Acts 10:47,45

Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received[active] the Holy Ghost as well as we?

Now observe In vs 45 the Spirit want offered it was sovereignly poured out on them, they were passively recipients

Read the verses just prior ... Peter preached the gospel ... which is the power of God unto salvation to those who believe.

Cornelius and his house believed the gospel ... and they received the Holy Spirit through faith ... same as you (if you believe ... I really can't tell if you believe because of statements you have made which indicate you don't have to believe).

Now this incident is called a giving of a Gift Acts 11:17

Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?

Now anyone can see that the Gift was bestowed upon them and they were passive, however it said they received the Gift in vs 47

In Acts 11:17, Peter was speaking before those who were of the circumcision [Jews] and who contended with him because he had gone in to men uncircumcised, and didst eat with them.

Acts 11:17 corroborates that God gives the gift to those who believe in the Lord Jesus Christ.

Acts 11:17 Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?

They did receive it, because it was sovereignly given to them by God as stated in Acts 11:17

God has sovereignly determined that He will give His gift(s) to whoever He desires. who are you to tell God who He can or cannot give gifts to?

God has sovereignly determined that those who come to Him by faith will receive that which He has freely given.

God has sovereignly determined that those who suppress the truth in unrighteousness will remain under condemnation.

Do you understand now ?

do you?

Same thing in Rom 5:17 they received [active voice] because it was sovereignly given of God. These are spiritual matters, not your carnal worldly gift giving concept

your surmisings do not change the meaning of the Greek word lambanō. I did not "make up" the definition of the Greek Word. You don't like the definition of the Greek word, so you come up with mind-twisting renderings like "receiving is an effectual giving".

faith is what actively lays hold of that which God in His grace and mercy gifts to mankind. Those who do not lay hold are the ones who remain under condemnation.
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