Does Rom 5:18 teach that Christ died for all men without exception ?
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The thief on the cross in Luke 23 "And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom."
brightfame to the thief, "you works exalting idiot how dare you ask the Lord for eternal life, you think you can earn your way into heaven."
And Jesus to the Thief "Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise."
brightfame to the thief, "you works exalting idiot how dare you ask the Lord for eternal life, you think you can earn your way into heaven."
And Jesus to the Thief "Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise."
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This recently dawned on me pondering the significance of His receiving 40 lashes minus one, where 40 is a number that typifies judgment (i.e. 40 days of the deluge), and concluded that Jesus absorbed every judgement minus one which is left to us to not fail to do especially after being given every chance, the commandment to believe in Him.
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If we are commanded to believe and don't we have sinned. But all sin is paid for according to you. But the sin of unbelief is not forgiven. So I see 2 problems:
1. Everyone was born in unbelief. Everyone has at some point has not believed. So according to you, since that sin isn't forgiven, no one is actually saved.
2. God must be unjust. If He has accepted Jesus blood on behalf of every individual ever born, then reneges on the deal, God is unrighteous.
1. Everyone was born in unbelief. Everyone has at some point has not believed. So according to you, since that sin isn't forgiven, no one is actually saved.
2. God must be unjust. If He has accepted Jesus blood on behalf of every individual ever born, then reneges on the deal, God is unrighteous.
Romans 5:18 does not mention the death of Christ.
how convenient that you have removed from yourself all accountability for your actions ... that explains why you claim the "elect" do not have to believe itor do anything but continue being ungodly sinners ... which is a lie from the pit of hell.
again, you conveniently remove accountability from yourself
Romans 4:23-25 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him; But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead; Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
if you don't believe ... no imputation of righteousness ... even though the Lord Jesus Christ died for you
"all them Christ died for"
John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
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how convenient that you have removed from yourself all accountability for your actions ... that explains why you claim the "elect" do not have to believe itor do anything but continue being ungodly sinners ... which is a lie from the pit of hell.
again, you conveniently remove accountability from yourself
Romans 4:23-25 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him; But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead; Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
if you don't believe ... no imputation of righteousness ... even though the Lord Jesus Christ died for you
"all them Christ died for"
John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
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You finally realize your error after the light of Scripture reveals the foolishness of your assertion, so you are revising your claim from:
Post 21 - "Those under condemnation cant be Justified as Per Rom 5:18"
so which is it, brightfam52?
if "the entire passage Rom 5:1-21 is solely about the elect, not all humanity", then only the "elect" are under condemnation
and that would render your statement submitted in post 21 that "those under condemnation cant be Justified as Per Rom 5:18" to be wholly in error.
Quit messing with Scripture ... just believe what is written ... receive the abundance of grace and the gift of God by faith.
oh brother ... "receiving is an effectual giving" ... do you even think before you submit such nonsense???
The word "received" in John 1:16 is the same word used in Rom 5:17 ... lambanō. Faith is the means God has devised ... faith is what actively lays hold of that which God in His grace and mercy gifts to mankind. Those who do not lay hold are the ones who remain under condemnation.
In John 3:27, John was answering a question one of his disciples asked
John 3:25-31 Then there arose a question between some of John's disciples and the Jews about purifying. And they came unto John, and said unto him, Rabbi, he that was with thee beyond Jordan, to whom thou barest witness, behold, the same baptizeth, and all men come to him. John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven. Ye yourselves bear me witness, that I said, I am not the Christ, but that I am sent before him. He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled. He must increase, but I must decrease. He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all.
John was referring to the ministry of the Lord Jesus Christ – which must increase ... and his own ministry – which must decrease. John was the forerunner and John faithfully fulfilled his ministry.
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Post 21 - "Those under condemnation cant be Justified as Per Rom 5:18"
so which is it, brightfam52?
if "the entire passage Rom 5:1-21 is solely about the elect, not all humanity", then only the "elect" are under condemnation
and that would render your statement submitted in post 21 that "those under condemnation cant be Justified as Per Rom 5:18" to be wholly in error.
Quit messing with Scripture ... just believe what is written ... receive the abundance of grace and the gift of God by faith.
oh brother ... "receiving is an effectual giving" ... do you even think before you submit such nonsense???
The word "received" in John 1:16 is the same word used in Rom 5:17 ... lambanō. Faith is the means God has devised ... faith is what actively lays hold of that which God in His grace and mercy gifts to mankind. Those who do not lay hold are the ones who remain under condemnation.
In John 3:27, John was answering a question one of his disciples asked
John 3:25-31 Then there arose a question between some of John's disciples and the Jews about purifying. And they came unto John, and said unto him, Rabbi, he that was with thee beyond Jordan, to whom thou barest witness, behold, the same baptizeth, and all men come to him. John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven. Ye yourselves bear me witness, that I said, I am not the Christ, but that I am sent before him. He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled. He must increase, but I must decrease. He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all.
John was referring to the ministry of the Lord Jesus Christ – which must increase ... and his own ministry – which must decrease. John was the forerunner and John faithfully fulfilled his ministry.
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Did you not read my post? Evil and sin are not the same thing, they are related but sin comes out from evil.
James 1:15
Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death.
When we reject the truth and construct a lie to justify that rejection we are being evil and out from that comes our practice of sin. Adam rejected God's word (you shall not die) which, was evil and ate the fruit which, was sin.
This is why the scripture says those who continually practice sin don't know the Lord because in order to do that you have to constantly embrace evil (ie. reject the truth).
1 John 3:6
No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.
Just because we are born sinners and in unbelief doesn't mean we are not believers. This is why the Lord meets us with grace and truth in order to reveal who we are.
There are only two types of people in the world believers and unbelievers. Some of those believers simply don't know it yet.
This is why we preach the Gospel.
Rejection of the Lord God which is evil, is never forgiven because not even the Lord Jesus can pay for that as He cannot reject Himself. He stood in our place in death, He cannot stand in our place if we embrace evil. Evil can only be removed permanently hence, the lake of fire, an eternal prison.
James 1:15
Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death.
When we reject the truth and construct a lie to justify that rejection we are being evil and out from that comes our practice of sin. Adam rejected God's word (you shall not die) which, was evil and ate the fruit which, was sin.
This is why the scripture says those who continually practice sin don't know the Lord because in order to do that you have to constantly embrace evil (ie. reject the truth).
1 John 3:6
No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.
Just because we are born sinners and in unbelief doesn't mean we are not believers. This is why the Lord meets us with grace and truth in order to reveal who we are.
There are only two types of people in the world believers and unbelievers. Some of those believers simply don't know it yet.
This is why we preach the Gospel.
Rejection of the Lord God which is evil, is never forgiven because not even the Lord Jesus can pay for that as He cannot reject Himself. He stood in our place in death, He cannot stand in our place if we embrace evil. Evil can only be removed permanently hence, the lake of fire, an eternal prison.
It is a given that all sins are forgiven and there is one that can never be forgiven, so this seems to be of an anomalous sort. Is it sufficient to ask only why or is there a when that need be included as well as a what and where or any other condition? God saw fit to apply 39 stripes to His Son on account of all of our sin, and it is in His righteous prerogative to withhold forgiveness according to His own counsel, as His Sovereignty fully accords. Is it possible that the 40th stripe of full judgment had been mitigated by Jesus' time in the wilderness, considering that His faith is tried and came out true in that duration, perhaps He atone for unbelief in that suffering but God left just that much of a small grain of responsibility for each individual to take of their own possession, either unrepentant unbelief or repentant belief. That is only a grain of difference those considered wise and righteous and a complete moron, so who would boast?
If seeing is no longer faith, then how is believing any longer believing if God has to 'make' you believe?
If seeing is no longer faith, then how is believing any longer believing if God has to 'make' you believe?
Did you not read my post? Evil and sin are not the same thing, they are related but sin comes out from evil.
James 1:15
Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death.
When we reject the truth and construct a lie to justify that rejection we are being evil and out from that comes our practice of sin. Adam rejected God's word (you shall not die) which, was evil and ate the fruit which, was sin.
This is why the scripture says those who continually practice sin don't know the Lord because in order to do that you have to constantly embrace evil (ie. reject the truth).
1 John 3:6
No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.
Just because we are born sinners and in unbelief doesn't mean we are not believers. This is why the Lord meets us with grace and truth in order to reveal who we are.
There are only two types of people in the world believers and unbelievers. Some of those believers simply don't know it yet.
This is why we preach the Gospel.
Rejection of the Lord God which is evil, is never forgiven because not even the Lord Jesus can pay for that as He cannot reject Himself. He stood in our place in death, He cannot stand in our place if we embrace evil. Evil can only be removed permanently hence, the lake of fire, an eternal prison.
James 1:15
Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death.
When we reject the truth and construct a lie to justify that rejection we are being evil and out from that comes our practice of sin. Adam rejected God's word (you shall not die) which, was evil and ate the fruit which, was sin.
This is why the scripture says those who continually practice sin don't know the Lord because in order to do that you have to constantly embrace evil (ie. reject the truth).
1 John 3:6
No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.
Just because we are born sinners and in unbelief doesn't mean we are not believers. This is why the Lord meets us with grace and truth in order to reveal who we are.
There are only two types of people in the world believers and unbelievers. Some of those believers simply don't know it yet.
This is why we preach the Gospel.
Rejection of the Lord God which is evil, is never forgiven because not even the Lord Jesus can pay for that as He cannot reject Himself. He stood in our place in death, He cannot stand in our place if we embrace evil. Evil can only be removed permanently hence, the lake of fire, an eternal prison.
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John 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
Those who receive not the words will be judged by the very same words they rejected at the last day.
The judgment on the last day has nothing to do with sin and everything to do with faith. Faith is what actively lays hold of the words given by God which are to be believed. Those who do not lay hold are the ones who will be judged by the same words they rejected.
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Those who receive not the words will be judged by the very same words they rejected at the last day.
The judgment on the last day has nothing to do with sin and everything to do with faith. Faith is what actively lays hold of the words given by God which are to be believed. Those who do not lay hold are the ones who will be judged by the same words they rejected.
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Here is your quotation from post.
Rom 5:18
18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the
righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
The verse does not say limited atonement.
The verse actually says, 'the free gift came upon all men.'
Don't ever alter the plain reading of the text.
Rom 5:18
18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the
righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
The verse does not say limited atonement.
The verse actually says, 'the free gift came upon all men.'
Don't ever alter the plain reading of the text.