Loss of salvation???

[sawdust]

Jesus did more than 1 baptism Himself. He baptized with the Spirit and with fire...Matthew 3:11. The one baptism isn't what you think. The passage in Ephesians 4 is more extensive than just verse 5. Verse 4 mentions the Spirit, verse 5 mentions Christ, and verse 6 mentions the Father. One Lord, one faith, one baptism all speak of our relationship to Christ...faith in the Lord. This is spoken of in Romans 4 that we are buried with Christ in baptism into death. This is the symbolism of water baptism. We go to our death when we go beneath the water and rise to newness of life in Christ when we come out. It is spiritual as well in that it is the Spirit who actually places us into Christ, but one baptism doesn't negate the different baptisms mentioned in scripture, but identifies the one in view in the passage.

You and I will never receive the baptism of fire. There is only one baptism per person. We are baptized into Christ's death. He did not drown in water, He was crucified.

There is only one baptism for the Church, the baptism with the Spirit. We don't need symbolism anymore, we have the reality.

 

[sawdust]

The one baptism isn't what you think.

It's exactly what I think, it isn't what you think with your three baptisms.

 

[sawdust]

I'm inclined to want to argue the last statement but I don't want to take us on a tangent on the topic.

With that said, this statement is found in scripture within Acts 18, speaking of Apollos, an eloquent man, well versed in scripture (but that is not said to imply that present company is not):

25He had been instructed in the way of the Lord and was fervent in spirit. He spoke and taught accurately about Jesus,e though he knew only the baptism of John. 26And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue. When Priscilla and Aquila heard him, they took him aside and explained to him the way of God more accurately.

That Apollos taught accurately, but Priscilla and Aquila taught 'more accurately' should make us wonder at the significance of what "though he knew only the baptism of John' is.

I will say this, there is a difference between accurately teaching the things you know and getting things wrong due to not understanding the things you have yet to learn. None of us learn all things all at once, it is a process. I do not criticize the apostles for not knowing, even though they had been told, because I am guilty of it more times than I care to admit.

John's baptism was one of repentance to prepare them for the Messiah. It was administered under the Old Covenant. Christ established a New Covenant which, required new methods.

 

[Cameron143]

It's exactly what I think, it isn't what you think with your three baptisms.

Appreciate the discussion. Grace and peace.

 

[Magenta]

I agree. Tares and wheat.

It takes meat to discern the true ones......And we will know them by their doctrines.

Do you never tire of making things up?

 

[Mem]

Sorry Mem but I don't know what that has to do with what you quoted.

I led in with an aside thought of your observation of the tongues of fire but the verse(s) I quoted had to do more with the entire body of your commentary from which I got that excerpt. My apologies for that, my cryptic tendencies in communication.

 

[Mem]

I will say this, there is a difference between accurately teaching the things you know and getting things wrong due to not understanding the things you have yet to learn. None of us learn all things all at once, it is a process. I do not criticize the apostles for not knowing, even though they had been told, because I am guilty of it more times than I care to admit.

John's baptism was one of repentance to prepare them for the Messiah. It was administered under the Old Covenant. Christ established a New Covenant which, required new methods.

Luke 16:16 and Matthew 11:13 does imply an arrival of what scripture had been expecting up to that time. And, looking at all the cross references offered for those, I now realize that you are of the opinion that the gift of prophecy has ceased, considering it was exclusively given for the purpose of proclaiming Christ' advent?

 

[sawdust]

Luke 16:16 and Matthew 11:13 does imply an arrival of what scripture had been expecting up to that time. And, looking at all the cross references offered for those, I now realize that you are of the opinion that the gift of prophecy has ceased, considering it was exclusively given for the purpose of proclaiming Christ' advent?

I do believe tongues and prophecy have ceased. Prophecy because there is nothing more the Lord can say that hasn't been said and tongues because it was for the stubborn unbelieving Israelites who would reject the Messiah (Is.28:11) . As God's dealing with the nation has been put on hold until the time He brings the last of them back to the fold (time of the end), there is no need for tongues. Maybe it will re-emerge at the end?

 

[Haidabo]

everyone in this thread is already reborn.

maybe we could discuss the thread topic

I would like to know
How you actually
Authentically
Know this to be
The God's truth.
I'm not disputing
Your word
But I would like to know
How you know
This to be
Authentically
The God's truth?
I might learn something.

 

[Haidabo]

as previously discussed, Matthew 7:21-23 describes people who thought their works would save them.

even amazing works, like the sign to unbelievers of spealing in tongues.

even righteous works of obedience, like being baptized.

they had no faith in Christ to save them - their faith was in what they themselves did.

What are the works
of faith in Christ?