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Roughsoul1991

Roughsoul1991

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Kroogz said:
I believe the local assembly should be like college. Churning out Saints with master degrees in Bible doctrine. Equipping them with all the tools needed to fulfill Gods plan for their lives.
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True. The pastor has to know their audience and have the ability to place the cookies on the right shelf at the right time. Too high and you lost 85% of the crowd. Too low and you simply become a motivational speaker with little content.

When I teach I aim to keep the teaching low enough for even a child while also handing it off high enough for the adult. Some are immature and new while others are ready to learn deeper topics.

Wed night, Bible studies, etc are where you can really dig deep, find the crowd that wants solid food and no longer milk. Discipleship is key to reaching this crowd.
 
Eli1

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ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
Jesus got bothered. At the religious folk. At his disciples unbelief.
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We're not God who can heal people, raise them from the dead or fullfill prophecies.
We're required to have Faith first. That's it. Trust and don't doubt. When an Earthquake happens, have Faith still.
 
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Eli1 said:
We're not God who can heal people, raise them from the dead or fullfill prophecies.
We're required to have Faith first. That's it. Trust and don't doubt. When an Earthquake happens, have Faith still.
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We could do so if we have the faith that Jesus had. And some people have done some of those things.
 
Roughsoul1991

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Eli1 said:
Neither one.
Nothing should bother you in this world when you find rest in God.
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Well it depends by how you explain being bothered. Fearful? Anxious? Hopelessness? No joy?

On the otherhand, we share in God's image and have His Holy Spirit. God hates evil and it should bother us deeply.
 
Eli1

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ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
We could do so if we have the faith that Jesus had. And some people have done some of those things.
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With this i agree.
But this is the part where God picks people to do certain things in History and this is where Calvinists get confused i'm guessing when God picks certain people to do Miracles on His Authority.
For me personally, having experienced a few Miracles myself i have no doubt and i ask God everyday to begin his New Kingdom where we could be in His presence.
 
Eli1

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Roughsoul1991 said:
Well it depends by how you explain being bothered. Fearful? Anxious? Hopelessness? No joy?

On the otherhand, we share in God's image and have His Holy Spirit. God hates evil and it should bother us deeply.
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I would say all of those, yes. Especially Anxiety. I have seen a few Christians who get very anxious with Atheists and of course it doesn't help when they classify people into categories like Saved or UnSaved.
They're humans first created in God's image. Nothing should bother you.
 
homwardbound

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Kroogz said:
Yes. Find our right pastor teacher. Bible doctrine. A line upon line and precept upon precept local assembly.

Most of our "company" is a bunch of do gooders who have no clue how to live the Christian way of life.
90% of the time I would rather go to the local pub over the local "church" around here.
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Father himself in risen Son is mine, there Leader, Teacher and giver in new life offered in the risen Jesus for us the people. So, sincerely believe God too and you will see it too 1 John 2:1-26. Then, see being given verse 27 from Father and Son. Therefore, no matter do not give up, see to not deny God at all as in all good and evil that happens here on earth to all everyone, goes through too, thank you. Job did not deny God at all. I love the last Chapter of Job, even more so, the resurrection of Jesus as proof for us to get given new life to abide in Father willingly too as Jesus did first willingly. By choice and not having to do, it. Yes do it in compassion and mercy given you first from God, then to all, in spite of wrong done to you and have done also. Romans 2:1-4, 1 John 4:18-19
 
shittim

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shittim said:
Until we are totally conformed to the image of the Son, aren't we all at least a little "in name only"?
blessings:)(y):unsure::coffee:
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Who do we know who walks out his commands to heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse the lepers, etc?
Most believe their mental assent to His life is faith, it is not, faith requires action.
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shittim said:
Most believe their mental assent to His life is faith, it is not, faith requires action.
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There cannot be action by believers unless they are saved. Divine action requires the Holy Spirit.

Mankind can do nothing but mental assent(Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ) until they are saved.

Believe=mental assent. Non meritorious faith in The Lord Jesus Christ.

The work and actions of believers can only be done through the Spirit. We don't have the Spirit UNTIL we are saved.
 
tourist

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shittim said:
Until we are totally conformed to the image of the Son, aren't we all at least a little "in name only"?
blessings:)(y):unsure::coffee:
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Yeah, I tend to agree with your point of view. Don't believe that anyone can truly be totally conformed to the image of the Son while still in the journey on this earthly plane. At least, that is true for me. Talk a good game though.
 
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AutumnBreeze said:
So true! I love Yeshua's message in John 17--specifically in verse 15 when He prays not that God would take His disciples out of the world, but that God would "keep them safe from the evil one."

I've taken a lot of CPR classes, and the first rule is to make sure the scene is safe before approaching (aka wisdom). I think the same applies here.
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I fully concur with your estimation.
 
shittim

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Kroogz said:
There cannot be action by believers unless they are saved. Divine action requires the Holy Spirit.

Mankind can do nothing but mental assent(Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ) until they are saved.

Believe=mental assent. Non meritorious faith in The Lord Jesus Christ.

The work and actions of believers can only be done through the Spirit. We don't have the Spirit UNTIL we are saved.
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Before we are saved He knows who has a hunger and thirst for the things of the Father.
He will use anyone at anytime to do His will.
Every gift and more manifested by the Ministry of the Savior is available to every genuine Holy Spirit filled believer, if we are not seeing it consistently we are not where He wants us. He only did what He saw the Father do, He only said what He heard the Father say, and He modeled for us how we are to live and grow in Him.
blessings:)(y)
 
Blain

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Roughsoul1991 said:
He did but often after the fellowship of the twelve.
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yeah but still he ate and drank with them because they needed him just as the ones who are unsaved or unclean need our light
 
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