Have the times of the gentiles ended in 1967?

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

No, not really....

[Act 10:34 KJV]
Then Peter opened [his] mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

[Act 10:35 KJV]
But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

[Act 10:44 KJV]
While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

[Act 10:45 KJV]
And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

[Act 10:46 KJV]
For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,

[Act 10:47 KJV]
Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

[Act 10:48 KJV]
And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

Show me in scripture where God ever cut a blood covenant with gentiles after Abraham. It doesn't exist. What the verses above describe is engrafted gentiles partaking of the new covenant God cut with Israel and Judah, which was prefigured by engrafted Ruth partaking of the old covenant.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Lets get the big picture here.

Lest we forget, Rahab was a supposedly "doomed" Canaanite, and she was saved.
And the Gibeonites were supposedly "doomed" Hivites and THEY were also saved.

Whoops. And BOTH obtained a covenant ("true token") of life and peace.

Because they were engrafted into the covenant through faith. The covenant was not made with them

 

[cv5]

Show me in scripture where God ever cut a blood covenant with gentiles after Abraham.

Abraham was a gentile.

Whoops.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Abraham was a gentile.

Whoops.

Which is why I said after Abraham.

 

[cv5]

Which is why I said after Abraham.

So what is going on in Genesis 17 again?

[Gen 17:2 KJV]
And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly.

[Gen 17:4 KJV]
As for me, behold, my covenant [is] with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations.

[Gen 17:7 KJV]
And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.

[Gen 17:9 KJV]
And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations.

[Gen 17:10 KJV]
This [is] my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.

[Gen 17:11 KJV]
And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.

[Gen 17:13 KJV]
He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.

[Gen 17:14 KJV]
And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.

[Gen 17:19 KJV]
And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, [and] with his seed after him.

[Gen 17:21 KJV]
But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year.

 

[cv5]

Which is why I said after Abraham.

[Gen 17:4 KJV]
As for me, behold, my covenant [is] with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations.

Gen 17:19
And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him.

[Heb 11:18 KJV]
Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:

 

[cv5]

Which is why I said after Abraham.

You might want to expand your view of the matter......


[Rom 4:9 KJV]
[Cometh] this blessedness then upon the circumcision [only], or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.

[Rom 4:12 KJV]
And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which [he had] being [yet] uncircumcised.

[Rom 4:13 KJV]
For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, [was] not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

[Rom 4:16 KJV]
Therefore [it is] of faith, that [it might be] by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

[Gal 3:7 KJV]
Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

[Gal 3:9 KJV]
So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

[Gal 3:14 KJV]
That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

 

[Komentaja]

Sounds like you are referring to something that is in scripture, with your question of "who rebels at the end of the millennium, if it's in heaven?" That's interesting !! Who, is the "who" that are you referring to specifically ? Give me a Bible verse, please

Revelation 20, I highlighted the part I am talking about.


6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

If there is no one on the earth, who can the devil deceive?

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

@cv5, I don"t understand what point you are trying to make by simply listing those verses. God cut a blood covenant with Abraham, but has done so with no other gentile after that.

 

[cv5]

@cv5, I don"t understand what point you are trying to make by simply listing those verses. God cut a blood covenant with Abraham, but has done so with no other gentile after that.

On the contrary, every single one of them. Nothing could be more Scripturally supported.
My treatment was trivial but conclusive.

Circumcision is the sign of the covenant of salvation by grace through faith BTW.

Eph 2:8
For by grace you are saved through faith, and this not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

On the contrary, every single one of them. Nothing could be more Scripturally supported.
My treatment was trivial but conclusive.

Circumcision is the sign of the covenant of salvation by grace through faith BTW.

The verses you provided don't support what you're saying. The new covenant was made with Israel and Judah, as prophesied, in the persons of the disciples. Anyone else who wants to join that covenant can through faith in their message (the gospel), but the covenant was not made with them in the flesh.

 

[cv5]

The verses you provided don't support what you're saying. The new covenant was made with Israel and Judah, as prophesied, in the persons of the disciples. Anyone else who wants to join that covenant can through faith in their message (the gospel), but the covenant was not made with them in the flesh.

All of us must drink the cup whereby we CHOOSE to enter the marriage covenant.
There are no other options, correct?

[Mat 26:27 NKJV]
Then He took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave [it] to them, saying, "Drink from it, *****all of you*****.

[Mat 26:28 NKJV]
"For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

[Luk 22:20 NKJV]
Likewise He also [took] the cup after supper, saying, "This cup [is] the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you.

[1Co 11:25 NKJV]
In the same manner [He] also [took] the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink [it], in remembrance of Me."

 

[cv5]

Which is why I said after Abraham.

Gal 3:8
And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

When you do the lord's supper you are expressing your faith in the covenant made with Israel and Judah and are proclaiming the lord's death that sealed that covenant. But you were not there when the covenant was made, so it was not made with you, and the covenant is not redone every time you do the supper. Through faith you were grafted into the spiritual body that participates in that covenant and maintain standing in it.

 

[cv5]

When you do the lord's supper you are expressing your faith in the covenant made with Israel and Judah and are proclaiming the lord's death that sealed that covenant. But you were not there when the covenant was made, so it was not made with you, and the covenant is not redone every time you do the supper. Through faith you were grafted into the spiritual body that participates in that covenant and maintain standing in it.

Gal 3:8
And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

 

[Leastofall]

I identify as Spiritual Israel, so relate to "Replace theology" as I understand "End Time" Bible Prophecy. It relates to we covenant keeping Christians, being Israel, IN CHRIST, our Lord and Savior. Not these self-proclaimed Jews, claiming, to be God's people, Israel, to be able to quote God's promises, of giving Israel, the land of Canaan, Palestine today, to justify their murder and slaughter, ethnic cleansing 10's of thousands of innocent people, ( women & children, included ) Rev 2:9 Rev 3:9

The Jewish nation of today, in the Middle East is not the Israel of the Bible. They are a people believing & fulfilling the Zionist Movement, manufactured by the Roman Church these last 110+ years, to reclaim the "Holy Lands" for the Anti-Christ's end times motives.

This Zionism is supported by most Protestant Churches today, our president and many high level government war-hawks. Zionism is an illegal land grab and slaughter of innocence ( men, women & children ) ethnic cleansing, to bring about the New World Order, a world economic reset, ("you will own nothing and be happy") and a religious ecumenism being fostered by the (un-)Holy Roman Church. Their one world religion, where THEY (the AntiChrist), the Pope being God, rules Earth from Jerusalem, God's Holy Mountain, for this "millennium", IT -> The Roman Church, being the spiritual body of Christ on earth.

It's their doctrinal, theological beliefs, presented in their writings and creeds. Check it out ! Tis BLASPHEMY ! The AntiChrist !! Do your own "due diligence" and BELIEVE Jesus, our Lord & King ... John 3:16

The Jewish nation ceased to be God's covenant people when they “corporately” ( the Nation, as God's chosen people, The Church) rejected Christ and broke the terms of the covenant, stoned Steven in Acts 6, and declared, "We have no king, but Caesar" in John 19.

Today, the covenant promises are inherited by spiritual Israel—those who follow Jesus and keep God's commandments.

The Covenant Was Conditional

1. Exodus 19:5–6 – “Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure…”
2. Deuteronomy 28:1–2, 15 – Blessings and curses based on obedience.
3. Jeremiah 11:3–4, 10 – “Cursed be the man that obeyeth not the words of this covenant… they are turned back to the iniquities of their forefathers…”

National Rejection of Christ

1. John 1:11 – “He came unto his own, and his own received him not.”
2. Luke 19:41–44 – Jesus weeps over Jerusalem, foretelling its destruction due to not recognizing “the time of thy visitation.”
3. Matthew 21:43 – “The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.”

The Outward Signs Lost Their Power

1. Daniel 9:26–27 – The Messiah will “cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease.”
2. Hebrews 10:1–10 – The sacrificial system was a shadow of Christ’s offering; with His sacrifice, it became obsolete.
3. Matthew 23:38 – “Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.”

Modern Jews Are Not Spiritual Israel

1. Romans 2:28–29 – “He is not a Jew, which is one outwardly… but he is a Jew, which is one inwardly…”
2. Galatians 3:28–29 – “If ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
3. Romans 9:6–8 – “They are not all Israel, which are of Israel…”

The Sabbath and Covenant

1. Exodus 31:16–17 – “Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath… for a perpetual covenant.”
2. Isaiah 56:2–6 – Promises to the foreigner who keeps the Sabbath and holds fast God’s covenant.
3. Ezekiel 20:12, 20 – “Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them…”

Continued Responsibility to Evangelize

1. Romans 1:16 – “To the Jew first, and also to the Greek.”
2. Romans 10:1 – “Brethren, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.”
3. Acts 13:46–47 – Paul and Barnabas preached first to the Jews, then to the Gentiles after rejection.

Reverence for Their Past

1. Romans 3:1–2 – “What advantage then hath the Jew?… unto them were committed the oracles of God.”
2. Romans 9:4–5 – “Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants… and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came…”
3. Matthew 5:17 – “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets…”

Each of these verses harmonizes, that God’s covenant was never meant to be inherited by lineage alone, but through faith and obedience to Christ.

• Do you see the Character of Christ, His Righteousness, being represented in these people, calling themselves Jews, in the middle East, slaughtering Palestinian, women and children?
• Are you not aware of the Catholic Church's involvement in Zionism and the return of Jews to Palestine, returning this SO CALLED “Israel” to Palestine, in 1920-49 ?
• Do you realize that many these people over in Palestine, calling themselves Jews, have no linage from Abraham / Jacob ? They are Khazarian Jews, who adopted, Judaism, back in the 800s.
• Rev 2:9 "I know your works, tribulation, and poverty (but you are rich); and I know the blasphemy of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan."
• Rev 3:9 "Indeed I will make those of the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews and are not, but lie—indeed I will make them come and worship before your feet, and to know that I have loved you."( the "you" here is spiritual Israel )
• nuf sed

First and foremost you are very wrong ....there is no replacement theology.
God went to great lengths throughout the old testament to establish and preserve a blood line.
So you are denying that truth.?
Israel was given the name Palestine as a mockery. You do the homework.
Jesus forgave all that sent him to the cross. In fact he also said that no man takes my life but I lay it down.
Steven forgave those that stoned him.
The first church was mostly Jewish. The gospels are very Jewish.
Let's start there.😡

 

[timf]

There are single party covenants such as when God declares he will do something. There are also two party covenants where both parties have to agree to something. The first covenant between God and Israel was such an agreement. The second covenant was offered but not accepted. There is a view that the second covenant with a faithful remnant of the nation of Israel will bring in the earthly kingdom. Christians today are translated into the heavenly kingdom.

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

 

[Rob7]

Whatever it is, its a mess.

The events following the Second Coming of Christ, based on Scripture, particularly as it pertains to the final victory over sin, the establishment of God’s kingdom, and the restoration of the earth. Below are some key stages of events following Christ’s return, as outlined by AI:

1. Resurrection of the Righteous Dead
The resurrection of the righteous dead at the Second Coming is clearly taught in Scripture:

• 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 – "For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel and with the trumpet of God; and the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord."
• 1 Corinthians 15:52 – "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed."

2. Destruction of the Wicked
The destruction of the wicked by the brightness of Christ’s coming is a significant aspect of the Second Coming:

• 2 Thessalonians 2:8 – "And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming."
• Matthew 24:30-31 – "Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."

3. The Judgment of the Wicked
The judgment of the wicked, as part of the final separation of the righteous and unrighteous, is a theme in Scripture, particularly in the context of the Second Resurrection and final judgment:

• Revelation 20:12-15 – "And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books. The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death."
• Matthew 25:31-33 – "When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats."

4. The Millennium
The 1,000-year period during which the righteous reign with Christ in heaven, while the earth is desolate, is described in Revelation:

• Revelation 20:4-6 – "And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection; over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years."

5. Final Destruction of the Wicked (The Second Death)
After the Millennium, when the wicked are raised and attempt to take the New Jerusalem, fire from heaven destroys them:

• Revelation 20:7-9 – "Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them."
• Revelation 20:14-15 – "Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire."

6. The New Earth
After the final destruction of the wicked, God will create a new heaven and a new earth, where the righteous will dwell forever:

• Revelation 21:1-4 – "Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea. Then I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, 'Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away.'"
• Isaiah 65:17 – "For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; and the former shall not be remembered or come to mind."

Summary of Bible Verses:

1. Resurrection of the Righteous Dead:
   • 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
   • 1 Corinthians 15:52
2. Destruction of the Wicked:
   • 2 Thessalonians 2:8
   • Matthew 24:30-31
3. The Judgment of the Wicked:
   • Revelation 20:12-15
   • Matthew 25:31-33
4. The Millennium:
   • Revelation 20:4-6
5. Final Destruction of the Wicked (Second Death):
   • Revelation 20:7-9
   • Revelation 20:14-15
6. The New Earth:
   • Revelation 21:1-4
   • Isaiah 65:17

These verses provide a biblical foundation for the sequence of events, from the Bible, following the Second Coming of Christ. They highlight the victory of God over sin and death and the eternal restoration of His people.

 

[Jimbone]

Jesus will reign from there for sure. But the Jews who finally see Jesus as their Messiah will live there too. And also gentile believers also.

It doesn't conflict at all.


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I don't understand what you mean here exactly. Is Jesus not seated on His throne now, with ALL authority in heaven and on earth and must reign until everything has been put under His feet? My King reigns right now, and His kingdom will grow until everything is under Him. Like the mustard seed, or the leven,
"The kingdom of heaven is like leaven that a woman took and hid in three measures of flour, till it was all leavened ".

His kingdom coming is like a seed growing into a tree, it's a process, and I understand we see evil all around us every day, but this world has been on a overall blessed" waiting for destruction first. The judgement on the people He warned of the coming judgement fell on the people who He warned. I'm trying to build the kingdom now, because it will know no end.

I honestly think many Christians today are making the same mistake the Jews of Jesus day were making without even realizing it. They are waiting for a flesh and bones Messiah to show up and physically beat the wicked world into submission. Jesus said His kingdom was not of this world, or one you could point to and say "there it is". His kingdom is of the spirit, and we enter into it when we are born again. I just see the whole "pre-trib rapture/future to us ", belief to be so wrong on so many levels that it's becoming more dangerous by the day.

 

[Cameron143]

I don't understand what you mean here exactly. Is Jesus not seated on His throne now, with ALL authority in heaven and on earth and must reign until everything has been put under His feet? My King reigns right now, and His kingdom will grow until everything is under Him. Like the mustard seed, or the leven,
"The kingdom of heaven is like leaven that a woman took and hid in three measures of flour, till it was all leavened ".

His kingdom coming is like a seed growing into a tree, it's a process, and I understand we see evil all around us every day, but this world has been on a overall blessed" waiting for destruction first. The judgement on the people He warned of the coming judgement fell on the people who He warned. I'm trying to build the kingdom now, because it will know no end.

I honestly think many Christians today are making the same mistake the Jews of Jesus day were making without even realizing it. They are waiting for a flesh and bones Messiah to show up and physically beat the wicked world into submission. Jesus said His kingdom was not of this world, or one you could point to and say "there it is". His kingdom is of the spirit, and we enter into it when we are born again. I just see the whole "pre-trib rapture/future to us ", belief to be so wrong on so many levels that it's becoming more dangerous by the day.

Excellent. The kingdom of God came decisively with the resurrection when Jesus showed up with the keys of death and hell and all authority. It is coming progressively as you suggest as the mustard seed grows into the largest of shrubs. And it will come consummately when Christ returns and time is no more.