Unconditional love verses from God to us the people

[homwardbound]

“Yet, there is proper order, you think? “

yeah what I’m saying is Gods commandments are to love one another and loving God is keeping his commandments.

sits sich a close relationship the two commandments are joined together is all I’m saying when we love other people we’re living him as he wills You can’t possibly ly love god if you do t live other people and can’t possibly my love other people right unless god first loves you and you actually hear the message he sent telling us in the gospel.


“Romans 2:1-4 reminds me of this amazing gift from God for us all to not work for what is given us. “

“You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things.

Now we know that God’s judgment against those who do such things is based on truth. So when you, a mere human being, pass judgment on them and yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God’s judgment?

Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, forbearance and patience, not realizing that God’s kindness is intended to lead you to repentance? But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭2:1-5‬ ‭NIV‬‬

those are relevant verses also but I’m pretty sure you probably meant some part of Roman’s 4 brother where he’s talking about Abraham and quotes the ot regarding our covenant the mercies of David. It’s really a great chapter but they all are if we’re paying attention they actually make a thorough and clear message that all works together to redeem us from sin and death

always a pleasure

Yes, God rakes it all in, sees it all, good and bad.` Uses it and teaches us new in it, at least me. this I am seeing, and have seen for 60 years, good and bad happening to us all, not mattering whether or not anyone has been good or bad. How to go through adversities and be content anyways, is what our Father teaches, each child, in willing beleif to his love and mercy for them. Unless one, anyone is willing, one I see, at least me, did not see, not really. I have been taught to be looking up in pride or down in guilt. When reality is always in front of me, couldn't see it, looking up or down. Now facing it good or bad, such as like when rains falls, It falls on all, it does not discern who to fall on it falls on us all, good or bad is not the issue
So I have gone through problems, okay, what will any worry do? Will it help
Matthew 6, will any worry add a cubit to your life? As a matter of fact, Worry, steals, kills and destroys, John 10:10a John 10:10b states Jesus came to give us life more abundantly
How to see that, while in adversities, is only revealed by Father and risen Son, to one, anyone as is been been and being revealed to you too, Thanking Father for this truth

 

[homwardbound]

I think we agree that salvation is conditional upon repentance, and repentance of sins after being saved is called confession.
I understand spiritual dynamics like this:

At the moment of repentance/saving faith (Acts 20:21, Rom. 10:9), the Spirit of Christ/God’s Holy Spirit enters the believer’s spiritual heart (Rev. 3:20, Rom. 5:5), uniting them with God as heavenly Father (Rom. 8:9) and identifying them with Christ’s worldwide/catholic body or church (Col. 1:18), which moment is called spiritual rebirth (John 3:3-8) or “baptism by the Spirit” (1Cor. 12:13). The outward evidence that someone was baptized by the HS and is Spirit-filled (Eph. 5:18) or walking with God is the manifestation of the fullness of Christ (Eph. 3:19, 4:13) or fruit of the Spirit, which consists of such attributes as those listed in Galatians 5:22-23: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Jesus said “All men will know that you are my disciples if you love one another” (John 13:35, 1John 4:7-21), because “love” sums up the moral character of God (1John 4:7-8). (He did NOT say “…if you are water baptized.”)

The relationship between Believers/Christians and God may be viewed as having three stages: conversion, spiritual growth or maturation (Eph. 4:13), and glorification (1Pet. 5:10) or immortality (1Cor. 15:53) in heaven. The kerygmatic prayer that is necessary in order for a sinner be saved and walk with God is confession (1John 1:9, Psa. 32:1-5). Because a convert’s commitment to Christ is in accordance with God’s perfect will (1Tim. 2:3-4), the moment of Spirit baptism fulfills the command to be filled with the Spirit (in Eph. 5:18), which means to cooperate fully with the love of God (Eph. 3:16-19).

The moment or stage of conversion may be described grammatically as occurring in the past: we were saved when we repented/received the baptism of the HS. From the moment of repentance onward begins the second stage of growth, discipleship (Acts 14:22) or sanctification (2Thes. 2:13), which is present progressive: it is the process of being saved now. This stage has two phases: instability and maturity. A new convert does not achieve immediate perfection by remaining filled with the HS (Phil. 3:12). Instead, the combination of temptations, ignorance of GW and the old selfish nature results in immature saints committing post-conversion sins, at which time the are carnal or acting like unbelievers (1Cor. 3:1).

As soon as new Christians realize they sinned, they should confess it (1John 1:9a) rather than compound it by trying to hide it or cover it up like Adam and Eve did (Gen. 3:7-8). Whenever a believer acknowledges to God his/her known sins of immoral attitudes and actions, God forgives all sins (1John 1:9b). This means he/she is pleasing rather than grieving God or once again is Spirit-filled (walking in the Spirit) and has a right relationship with Christ Jesus (Eph. 4:30, 5:10 & 18). This spiritual flip-flopping is the phase of instability, and although it is bad, failure to confess promptly is much worse, because it results in chain-sinning or back-sliding, which may be called prodigal if it continues very long (cf. Luke 15:11-32).

Unfortunately, some saints may not appreciate the process of spiritual growth or being transformed by the renewing of their minds (Rom. 12:2), perhaps because it involves admitting sins or having “guilt trips”. Guilt is like a warning light, and until we gain the wisdom to welcome God’s reproof, we will not feel the satisfaction of becoming a new and improved version of ourselves. Woe to the one who become so callous that no guilt is felt when wrong is done!

The unstable phase is followed eventually by a second phase of relative maturity, signified in the Bible (especially the KJV) by the phrase “walking with God” (cf. Enoch in Gen. 5:24) or walking in light (1John 1:7). Paul also described this phase as walking in love (Eph. 5:2), in a new life (Rom. 6:4) according to the Spirit (Rom. 8:4) and in good works (Col. 1:10). Like physical walking, spiritual walking has two steps. The first step is listening to God (LGW), and the second step is responding to or cooperating with God. God’s message for mankind is revealed partially by the world He has created but more fully by the Scriptures He has inspired. The crux of God’s Word is the Gospel of salvation (kerygma), while the secondary teachings (didache) consist of the manifold applications of the law of love (1John 3:11).

Simply, believe, receive and see new in God's love and mercy for us all through risen Son, thanks

 

[GWH]

Simply, believe, receive and see new in God's love and mercy for us all through risen Son, thanks

Simply, believe, receive and see new in God's love and mercy for us all through risen Son, thanks

Well, it matters what we believe, but the Gospel is indeed simple enough for a child to understand sufficiently to be saved.

 

[homwardbound]

Well, it matters what we believe, but the Gospel is indeed simple enough for a child to understand sufficiently to be saved.

It might be all the people, includes me that have and might again yack too much. I think many of us are sincere, might be some that are not, Yet Evil uses whatever it can use too get people off track in belief to God just loves us all, and wants the best for us all, having no respect of persons
1 John 2:1-2, Jeremiah 29:11, Eph 1:6.7.13 Phil 1:6 God does just love us. That is simple to turn to God and say thank you (yet Evil brings doubt to the table) And God said in Isaiah 7:9, if you doubt you will delay being established, how deep does that go "Doubt" But, now I trust you God to teach me truth, thank you and how to not get angry, once made wise as a serpent Matthew 10:16-20, trusting You Father, Daddy, PaPa Luke 21:14-15. Not that I got it, yet I know God does as Paul talks of in Phil 3:1-20 and all that do not quit, will see perfectly and doubt will be out, thank you

 

[Blade]

Great stuff and forgive I didn't read it all. Seems it got off track.. praise GOD.

I like these "For the mountains may be removed and the hills may shake, But My lovingkindness will not be removed from you, Nor will My covenant of peace be shaken,” Says the LORD who has compassion on you."

"It is because of the LORD’S loving kindnesses that we are not consumed, Because His [tender] compassions never fail."

Ever notice some things we say and even quote .. Christ really never even said it. We added to what He said. Found by Him Baptist Church what 7-9 years old. I was very mean. Filled with the sweet sweet holy Spirit age about 16 Luke 11:13 and yes exactly as it happened in the bible.. I asked.. they prayed very short prayer said thats it you got it! See they just believed that when Christ said if you ask the Father for the holy Spirit He will give it. Yeah no Inernet no cell phones you just read it and believed. I got up.. went to sit down and bam tongues just came out. No one was doing it.. no one no one said a word. Yes I was saved the day before and oh it was just as Christ said you shall receive power after..

But where did this salvation start? We have I came to call the sinner to repent. We have John 3 16-17 we have Rom 10:9-10. My salvation was not based on what some Baptist or Word of Faith or AOG or Naz or you name it what they personally believed. We sorry tend to just love knowing .. duh I know the truth. No.. read John 3:16-17 Read Rom 10:9-10 read Luke 11:13. Thats it. See Hes real. I can't save anyone.. He does it I can help or I know I can get in His way.. but lets end this with

"For the mountains may be removed and the hills may shake, But My lovingkindness will not be removed from you, Nor will My covenant of peace be shaken,” Says the LORD who has compassion on you."

"It is because of the LORD’S loving kindnesses that we are not consumed, Because His [tender] compassions never fail."

 

[GWH]

It might be all the people, includes me that have and might again yack too much. I think many of us are sincere, might be some that are not, Yet Evil uses whatever it can use too get people off track in belief to God just loves us all, and wants the best for us all, having no respect of persons
1 John 2:1-2, Jeremiah 29:11, Eph 1:6.7.13 Phil 1:6 God does just love us. That is simple to turn to God and say thank you (yet Evil brings doubt to the table) And God said in Isaiah 7:9, if you doubt you will delay being established, how deep does that go "Doubt" But, now I trust you God to teach me truth, thank you and how to not get angry, once made wise as a serpent Matthew 10:16-20, trusting You Father, Daddy, PaPa Luke 21:14-15. Not that I got it, yet I know God does as Paul talks of in Phil 3:1-20 and all that do not quit, will see perfectly and doubt will be out, thank you

Yes, doubt is the flip-side of faith (Mark 9:24), but upon graduation to heaven "doubt will be out",
which leads one to understand that 1Cor. 13:13 speaks of the time from when Paul wrote it
until the resurrection (cf. Heb. 9:27-28).

 

[Rufus]

Ephesians 2:8-9
Eph 5:25
Titus 2:11
John 3:16
John 14:21
John 15:12
John 15:13
Romans 5:8
Romans 11:6
Romans 11:32
1 Cor 13:7
1 Cor 13:13
2 Cor 12:9
1 Peter 5:10
1Peter 4:8
1John 3:1
1John 3:16
1John 4:8
1John 4:16
1John 4:18
Col 3:14
Jeremiah 31:3

How would you define the term "unconditional"?

 

[homwardbound]

How would you define the term "unconditional"?

Unconditional, sets one free to be new from God Father and Son and love all in the same mercy and truth God loved you first with forgiveness by Son demonstrating it on the cross first, completed for all at that cross of Son, who reconciled everyone as forgiven then and there, yelled It is Finished, then gave up the ghost, done for us (John 1:29, John 19:30) he took away the sin of the world in Daddy's, PaPa's, Father sight for us to be risen in God's Spirit and Truth (John 4:23-24). by Jesus, being risen, who is risen presently and forever, to never die for anymore sin ever. It is Finished for new life to begin in the risen Son for all that choose to believe God, those that will not quit, come to see, by not quitting, see the book of Job, read it all with hearing from God Father in risen Son given you to see truth over error. See to not deny God, even though many times, many will feel like denying God, yet God will not deny anyone, only if one chooses to deny God, God still loves them, and waits patiently. When the End comes, then all will be revealed
Waiting patiently, seeing Heaven itself, has no impatience. God loves us all and continues to. Amazing grace
God
Raises
A
Child
Eternally
Puts up with all of us, people, me I have gotten in the way of God's unconditional love and God has not ever berated me. Just said let's talk and work this out
God loves us all y'all that is a fact in the resurrection of Son to me, that is testified by the disciples to me, especially Paul who was Saul, we all are in and Angelic battle, one side, steals, kills and destroys, which is evil. God's side gives new life more abundantly while in the midst of troubles to see new and stand in John 10:10, Col 1:21-23, new life Hebrews 9:14-17, John 4:23-24

 

[homwardbound]

Yes, doubt is the flip-side of faith (Mark 9:24), but upon graduation to heaven "doubt will be out",
which leads one to understand that 1Cor. 13:13 speaks of the time from when Paul wrote it
until the resurrection (cf. Heb. 9:27-28).

Demons
Out
Us
Before
Truth

Can set in one, anyone in doubt, does that and so stagnates growth unto have no more doubt
Thanks the clever evil doing its best to keep people out of prayer to God personally and put others in place to hear from them.
What a defiance, a battle in Angelic conflict there is. Trying to get people to be on people's side and think they are on God's side grouping together, agreeing with each other and not seeing the reality of the Battle with Angels happening.
Deep sauce, God reveals to each of us to share and not tell others they have to as man religion does

 

[Rufus]

Unconditional, sets one free to be new from God Father and Son and love all in the same mercy and truth God loved you first with forgiveness by Son demonstrating it on the cross first, completed for all at that cross of Son, who reconciled everyone as forgiven then and there, yelled It is Finished, then gave up the ghost, done for us (John 1:29, John 19:30) he took away the sin of the world in Daddy's, PaPa's, Father sight for us to be risen in God's Spirit and Truth (John 4:23-24). by Jesus, being risen, who is risen presently and forever, to never die for anymore sin ever. It is Finished for new life to begin in the risen Son for all that choose to believe God, those that will not quit, come to see, by not quitting, see the book of Job, read it all with hearing from God Father in risen Son given you to see truth over error. See to not deny God, even though many times, many will feel like denying God, yet God will not deny anyone, only if one chooses to deny God, God still loves them, and waits patiently. When the End comes, then all will be revealed
Waiting patiently, seeing Heaven itself, has no impatience. God loves us all and continues to. Amazing grace
God
Raises
A
Child
Eternally
Puts up with all of us, people, me I have gotten in the way of God's unconditional love and God has not ever berated me. Just said let's talk and work this out
God loves us all y'all that is a fact in the resurrection of Son to me, that is testified by the disciples to me, especially Paul who was Saul, we all are in and Angelic battle, one side, steals, kills and destroys, which is evil. God's side gives new life more abundantly while in the midst of troubles to see new and stand in John 10:10, Col 1:21-23, new life Hebrews 9:14-17, John 4:23-24

I didn't ask you what "unconditional love" meant personally to you. I asked for an objective definition of the term. According to my
M-W dictionary, it simply defines "unconditional" as not conditional or limited; ABSOLUTE, UNQUALIFIED. Therefore, going with this definition, your theory about what the true nature of God's love is a bucket full of holes that cannot hold a drop of biblical water (theology)! This is so because your theory contradicts at least three classes of scripture to wit:

A. Explicit teachings that God's love is conditional in nature
B. Numerous passages that qualify (limit)the scope of God's love
C. A large number of explicit texts that teach God hates sinners as well as their sins.

It appears you have missed or have ignored all these many passages because you prefer the eiesegesis method of interpretation to the exegetical method. For example, you included Jn 3:16 into your list of "proof texts" cites; yet, this passage does not explicitly teach that God loves each and every person in the world w/o exception. You have read your personal presupposition into a passage that could just as well mean that God loves all men in the world w/o distinction. And this latter understanding would harmonize beautifully with all three classes of scripture mentioned above.

 

[Rufus]

Unconditional, sets one free to be new from God Father and Son and love all in the same mercy and truth God loved you first with forgiveness by Son demonstrating it on the cross first, completed for all at that cross of Son, who reconciled everyone as forgiven then and there, yelled It is Finished, then gave up the ghost, done for us (John 1:29, John 19:30) he took away the sin of the world in Daddy's, PaPa's, Father sight for us to be risen in God's Spirit and Truth (John 4:23-24). by Jesus, being risen, who is risen presently and forever, to never die for anymore sin ever. It is Finished for new life to begin in the risen Son for all that choose to believe God, those that will not quit, come to see, by not quitting, see the book of Job, read it all with hearing from God Father in risen Son given you to see truth over error. See to not deny God, even though many times, many will feel like denying God, yet God will not deny anyone, only if one chooses to deny God, God still loves them, and waits patiently. When the End comes, then all will be revealed
Waiting patiently, seeing Heaven itself, has no impatience. God loves us all and continues to. Amazing grace
God
Raises
A
Child
Eternally
Puts up with all of us, people, me I have gotten in the way of God's unconditional love and God has not ever berated me. Just said let's talk and work this out
God loves us all y'all that is a fact in the resurrection of Son to me, that is testified by the disciples to me, especially Paul who was Saul, we all are in and Angelic battle, one side, steals, kills and destroys, which is evil. God's side gives new life more abundantly while in the midst of troubles to see new and stand in John 10:10, Col 1:21-23, new life Hebrews 9:14-17, John 4:23-24

I didn't ask you what "unconditional love" meant personally to you. I asked for an objective definition of the term. According to my
M-W dictionary, it simply defines "unconditional" as not conditional or limited; ABSOLUTE, UNQUALIFIED. Therefore, going with this definition, your theory about what the true nature of God's love is a bucket full of holes that cannot hold a drop of biblical water (theology)! This is so because your theory contradicts at least three classes of scripture to wit:

A. Explicit teachings that God's love is conditional in nature
B. Numerous passages that qualify (limit)the scope of God's love
C. A large number of explicit texts that teach God hates sinners as well as their sins.

It appears you have missed or have ignored all these many passages because you prefer the eiesegesis method of interpretation to the exegetical method. For example, you included Jn 3:16 into your list of "proof texts" cites; yet, this passage does not explicitly teach that God loves each and every person in the world w/o exception. You have read your personal presupposition into a passage that could just as well mean that God loves all men in the world w/o distinction. And this latter understanding would harmonize beautifully with all three classes of scripture mentioned above.

 

[Rufus]

Unconditional, sets one free to be new from God Father and Son and love all in the same mercy and truth God loved you first with forgiveness by Son demonstrating it on the cross first, completed for all at that cross of Son, who reconciled everyone as forgiven then and there, yelled It is Finished, then gave up the ghost, done for us (John 1:29, John 19:30) he took away the sin of the world in Daddy's, PaPa's, Father sight for us to be risen in God's Spirit and Truth (John 4:23-24). by Jesus, being risen, who is risen presently and forever, to never die for anymore sin ever. It is Finished for new life to begin in the risen Son for all that choose to believe God, those that will not quit, come to see, by not quitting, see the book of Job, read it all with hearing from God Father in risen Son given you to see truth over error. See to not deny God, even though many times, many will feel like denying God, yet God will not deny anyone, only if one chooses to deny God, God still loves them, and waits patiently. When the End comes, then all will be revealed
Waiting patiently, seeing Heaven itself, has no impatience. God loves us all and continues to. Amazing grace
God
Raises
A
Child
Eternally
Puts up with all of us, people, me I have gotten in the way of God's unconditional love and God has not ever berated me. Just said let's talk and work this out
God loves us all y'all that is a fact in the resurrection of Son to me, that is testified by the disciples to me, especially Paul who was Saul, we all are in and Angelic battle, one side, steals, kills and destroys, which is evil. God's side gives new life more abundantly while in the midst of troubles to see new and stand in John 10:10, Col 1:21-23, new life Hebrews 9:14-17, John 4:23-24

I didn't ask you what "unconditional love" meant personally to you. I asked for an objective definition of the term. According to my
M-W dictionary, it simply defines "unconditional" as not conditional or limited; ABSOLUTE, UNQUALIFIED. Therefore, going with this definition, your theory about what the true nature of God's love is a bucket full of holes that cannot hold a drop of biblical water (theology)! This is so because your theory contradicts at least three classes of scripture to wit:

A. Explicit teachings that God's love is conditional in nature
B. Numerous passages that qualify (limit)the scope of God's love
C. A large number of explicit texts that teach God hates sinners as well as their sins.

It appears you have missed or have ignored all these many passages because you prefer the eiesegesis method of interpretation to the exegetical method. For example, you included Jn 3:16 into your list of "proof texts" cites; yet, this passage does not explicitly teach that God loves each and every person in the world w/o exception. You have read your personal presupposition into a passage that could just as well mean that God loves all men in the world w/o distinction. And this latter understanding would harmonize beautifully with all three classes of scripture mentioned above.

 

[GWH]

I didn't ask you what "unconditional love" meant personally to you. I asked for an objective definition of the term. According to my
M-W dictionary, it simply defines "unconditional" as not conditional or limited; ABSOLUTE, UNQUALIFIED. Therefore, going with this definition, your theory about what the true nature of God's love is a bucket full of holes that cannot hold a drop of biblical water (theology)! This is so because your theory contradicts at least three classes of scripture to wit:

A. Explicit teachings that God's love is conditional in nature
B. Numerous passages that qualify (limit)the scope of God's love
C. A large number of explicit texts that teach God hates sinners as well as their sins.

It appears you have missed or have ignored all these many passages because you prefer the eiesegesis method of interpretation to the exegetical method. For example, you included Jn 3:16 into your list of "proof texts" cites; yet, this passage does not explicitly teach that God loves each and every person in the world w/o exception. You have read your personal presupposition into a passage that could just as well mean that God loves all men in the world w/o distinction. And this latter understanding would harmonize beautifully with all three classes of scripture mentioned above.

One way to define unconditional is by contrasting it with conditional,
which means "if" a condition such as faith is met, then God will...

God unconditionally/unqualifiedly loves all sinners such as us,
but only if we repent/accept Christ will God then forgive our sins.

 

[Rufus]

One way to define unconditional is by contrasting it with conditional,
which means "if" a condition such as faith is met, then God will...

God unconditionally/unqualifiedly loves all sinners such as us,
but only if we repent/accept Christ will God then forgive our sins.

I see you didn't care for the M-W dictionary definition of "unconditional". So, now you're going to redefine the term for us? You probably won't like this definition either from Dictionary.Com:

adjective

1. not limited by conditions; absolute.
   an unconditional promise.
   Synonyms: categorical, unqualified, unreserved
2. Mathematics. absolute.

Do you even know what qualified and unqualified statements are? Do you even understand that the former characterization carries the same restrictive force as a conditional statement does?

 

[GWH]

I see you didn't care for the M-W dictionary definition of "unconditional". So, now you're going to redefine the term for us? You probably won't like this definition either from Dictionary.Com:

adjective

1. not limited by conditions; absolute.
   an unconditional promise.
   Synonyms: categorical, unqualified, unreserved
2. Mathematics. absolute.

Do you even know what qualified and unqualified statements are? Do you even understand that the former characterization carries the same restrictive force as a conditional statement does?

I see you missed me caring to say "unqualifiedly".
Please read more carefully, because I do not play verbal ping-pong.

 

[Rufus]

I see you missed me caring to say "unqualifiedly".
Please read more carefully, because I do not play verbal ping-pong.

How could I miss that when the bible teaches that God's love is QUALIFIED? Would you care for a biblical example or two or maybe even three?

 

[GWH]

How could I miss that when the bible teaches that God's love is QUALIFIED? Would you care for a biblical example or two or maybe even three?

Only from the NT, because God's love for Gentiles was not revealed in the OT very well except to Isaiah.

 

[homwardbound]

I didn't ask you what "unconditional love" meant personally to you. I asked for an objective definition of the term. According to my
M-W dictionary, it simply defines "unconditional" as not conditional or limited; ABSOLUTE, UNQUALIFIED. Therefore, going with this definition, your theory about what the true nature of God's love is a bucket full of holes that cannot hold a drop of biblical water (theology)! This is so because your theory contradicts at least three classes of scripture to wit:

A. Explicit teachings that God's love is conditional in nature
B. Numerous passages that qualify (limit)the scope of God's love
C. A large number of explicit texts that teach God hates sinners as well as their sins.

It appears you have missed or have ignored all these many passages because you prefer the eiesegesis method of interpretation to the exegetical method. For example, you included Jn 3:16 into your list of "proof texts" cites; yet, this passage does not explicitly teach that God loves each and every person in the world w/o exception. You have read your personal presupposition into a passage that could just as well mean that God loves all men in the world w/o distinction. And this latter understanding would harmonize beautifully with all three classes of scripture mentioned above.

Father, revealed to me in the risen Son, for us all. All are called to believe God and be new in God. It is God that seeks God's creation, us the people. John 4:23-24. As I see it, this is deeply, wide, high and not fathomable to first born flesh. One, (from Daddy, PaPa, Father) needs new life given them, this given is a gift period to me at least and many others as well. Trusting God will reveal this truth to you too, thank you.
I see to seek that out, have sought that out and have been given this beyond flesh nature understanding. That you just said you did not ask for. To be new alive and in love to all, thanks to God's love for all. Demonstrated by Son going to that cross without any flesh fight back. That is what I see God has done once for us all, to have given us new life given us from God Father once one, anyone believes God and does not quit belief will see eventually, going through adversities. once, anyone, see the reconciliation given them first, personally! Not collectively as in a Church group, to me I see God in Hebrews 8:1-4, God built the true Church (which is not the word Church, it is the Ecclesia, that got that true name changed to Church, in the Bible.) Church from Greek = Building. Ecclesia in Greek, means the "Called out ones"
However, God sincerely loves us all, otherwise, Son would have not gone to that cross willingly to first reconcile everyone as forgiven by God. 2 Cor 5:17-20. Seeing verse 16 as well, seeing once we knew Christ in the flesh and blood, today no more. Son is risen for us to be new presently forever in Daddy's Spirit and Truth, the Holy Spirit. Born again by God for us in risen Son to us. To, see in Spirit and truth of God alone (Son included, the only way to get this to begin with, from the view Daddy has given me, humbly. To, see the first born flesh as dead and do right, not guess, with maybe's, should have. could have, better do it better next time. Born again by God Father, one, anyone born new by God does right. Are given the new nature and do righteously. Not of self, Only, of Father's righteousness only. The same as Jesus did first, for us all to believe, receive and be new in love and mercy too, to all. If you have others you still hate, in your life, you might want to regroup and go to God in Spirit and Truth and ask. Then get born new or not by God too, depending on your choice., thank you. God loves you personally, sorry you not see that personally yet, love from Daddy, PaPa, Father to us all is the call I heard and decided to believe Eph 1:6.7.13 Phil 1:6 Growing in grace from God through risen Son

 

[homwardbound]

I didn't ask you what "unconditional love" meant personally to you. I asked for an objective definition of the term. According to my
M-W dictionary, it simply defines "unconditional" as not conditional or limited; ABSOLUTE, UNQUALIFIED. Therefore, going with this definition, your theory about what the true nature of God's love is a bucket full of holes that cannot hold a drop of biblical water (theology)! This is so because your theory contradicts at least three classes of scripture to wit:

A. Explicit teachings that God's love is conditional in nature
B. Numerous passages that qualify (limit)the scope of God's love
C. A large number of explicit texts that teach God hates sinners as well as their sins.

It appears you have missed or have ignored all these many passages because you prefer the eiesegesis method of interpretation to the exegetical method. For example, you included Jn 3:16 into your list of "proof texts" cites; yet, this passage does not explicitly teach that God loves each and every person in the world w/o exception. You have read your personal presupposition into a passage that could just as well mean that God loves all men in the world w/o distinction. And this latter understanding would harmonize beautifully with all three classes of scripture mentioned above.

Thank you, as we each turn to God or not in love and mercy for all too

 

[homwardbound]

I asked for an objective definition of the term. According to my
M-W dictionary, it simply defines "unconditional" as not conditional or limited; ABSOLUTE,

I see, to not be objective to anyone, now, after born new from Gos Father in risen Son
All have free choice to choose between God and them too, thank you
God loves us all y'all