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Not sure if this is the ideal place to ask for advice on this matter but not sure it fits under any of the other forum headings.

I preach in a way that isn't spouting bible versus but I stead listening and helping and directing to parables in the bible.

Recently a friend of mine decided he wishes to convert to Judaism. I appear to be struggling with this because up until this point he was adamant at being an atheist. It is only recently with what's happening in the middle east he seems to have went down that route.

He moved to a new town but as a side note he says he has Jewish heritage but I did his family tree and his heritage was a singular branch six generations back.

My fear is that he has decided to join the religion not out of a belief for it but because he wants the sense of community and to a worse extent the competitive victimhood aspect of the faith.

Furthermore my faith doesn't explicitly state seclusion like some branches of Christianity but it does warn of the blasphemers and heretics.

He is a good friend but I fear that if he goes through with the conversion which would include the bodily mutilation aspect of Judaism, and the loophole aspect of it which is insulting to God, means that our relationship would be strained. Especially as once he has done it then he would be condemned he wouldn't be part of the elect as it's clear from 2 Kings 17:20, Matthew 23:33. Then there's the basis of infanticide which is natural in Judaism all the way back to the various King Herod's. Bodily mutilation being another concern.

My main issue is how do I address these concerns that I don't believe he's actually religious or faithful but instead looking for a community. And that the faith he has chosen is the opposite of what I believe and one which I view in the same light as witchcraft and paganism.

I know this was long but it's something I've been trying to find a healthy way to understand and forgive him on this issue. I know as a Christian I should respect others faiths but I don't know why I feel so uncomfortable about it.
 

shittim

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If a person wishes to "leave Christianity", they don't grasp Christianity.

It is letting the indwelling Christ out to manifest.
blessings
 

cinder

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You do realize christianity came from judaism, don't you? Jesus was a circumcised jew so were all 12 apostles and Paul. The majority of the bible was written by Jews.

Also your scripture references are grossly taken out of context. One being part of the narrative of when assyria conquered the northern kingdom and the other being Jesus rebuke of the pharisees. Neither of them indicating God's forever rejection of his people (an idea which is contradicted elsewhere in scripture)

So maybe you should talk to your friend about what he finds appealing about judaism, appealing enough to undergo a painful procedure as part ofvthe conversion.
 
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I know as a Christian I should respect others faiths but I don't know why I feel so uncomfortable about it.
Precious friend, one of the things I have found, explained very well here, is a 'shortcoming'
when sharing the "Grace Of God" with others: can they really be "convicted of sin Before God"
when "one side of the picture is left out"?:

Undiluted Wrath And Undiluted Grace

Amen.
 

shittim

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This is the day the OT jews longed for, Jesus taught ALL things are new in Him, it isn't "religion" and Torah law, it is relationship with the indwelling Christ. A Jew who is saved by relationship in Christ is a completed Jew.
Blessings, friend:):giggle:(y):unsure::coffee:
 

RodB651

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I try very hard to stay out of conversations of this nature because it brings out the thumpers and etc in folks...

The Acts 15 council stated that Gentiles don't have to become Jewish to be right with God.
Jews continue to follow the Sanai covenant and do what they do, keeping kosher, circumcision for the guys, keeping the holidays and feast, etc..
It's a perpetual covenant for them. They were told by God himself to do these things throughout their generations.

Now folks are gonna line up and spout the usual church etcetera about that's all been done away with and it's all about the church now ...

It ain't!
 
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You do realize christianity came from judaism, don't you? Jesus was a circumcised jew so were all 12 apostles and Paul. The majority of the bible was written by Jews.

Also your scripture references are grossly taken out of context. One being part of the narrative of when assyria conquered the northern kingdom and the other being Jesus rebuke of the pharisees. Neither of them indicating God's forever rejection of his people (an idea which is contradicted elsewhere in scripture)

So maybe you should talk to your friend about what he finds appealing about judaism, appealing enough to undergo a painful procedure as part ofvthe conversion.
I did have a lengthy rebuke but I believe it would fall upon deaf ears.

Either way I shall allow you to feel as you do despite your goal being chastisement and not beneficial advice. People come to these places as a safe space for advice not to be chastised about being the wrong type of Christian.
 
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I try very hard to stay out of conversations of this nature because it brings out the thumpers and etc in folks...

The Acts 15 council stated that Gentiles don't have to become Jewish to be right with God.
Jews continue to follow the Sanai covenant and do what they do, keeping kosher, circumcision for the guys, keeping the holidays and feast, etc..
It's a perpetual covenant for them. They were told by God himself to do these things throughout their generations.

Now folks are gonna line up and spout the usual church etcetera about that's all been done away with and it's all about the church now ...

It ain't!
My fear is that he has decided to join the religion not out of a belief for it but because he wants the sense of community and to a worse extent the competitive victimhood aspect of the faith. This being terrible because joining a faith in that manner is disingenuous not only to others but more so to yourself. The timing of it makes it worse because for such a long time he would reject the church or attend catholic services. I'm not sure he is converting to Judaism for the faith but rather the sense of community. Something that you can be part of without converting.
 

RodB651

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I understand the part about community. I'm Gentile yet I attend a Messianic synagogue. The community there is predominantly Gentile. I attend online mostly and visit there during the Holidays.

Does everyone have to do that?.. No

It's what I like doing.
 
Jun 22, 2025
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I understand the part about community. I'm Gentile yet I attend a Messianic synagogue. The community there is predominantly Gentile. I attend online mostly and visit there during the Holidays.

Does everyone have to do that?.. No

It's what I like doing.
Yeah my concern is that instead of doing that he is looking to convert despite being rather anti religion for the longest time.

I will add it may seem like this is irrelevant but it is helping my thoughts organise themselves.
 

Lynx

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I did have a lengthy rebuke but I believe it would fall upon deaf ears.

Either way I shall allow you to feel as you do despite your goal being chastisement and not beneficial advice. People come to these places as a safe space for advice not to be chastised about being the wrong type of Christian.
Rebuke? First you...

But i'm getting ahead of myself.

1. Howdy and welcome to the forum.

2. That wasn't chastisement or castigation. That was actually sound advice. Read it again, objectively this time.

3. You need some credibility before you can throw rebukes around. I mean... You can pop into anywhere and sling a rebuke, but until you have built some kind of history with the audience it won't mean anything.
 
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Rebuke? First you...

But i'm getting ahead of myself.

1. Howdy and welcome to the forum.

2. That wasn't chastisement or castigation. That was actually sound advice. Read it again, objectively this time.

3. You need some credibility before you can throw rebukes around. I mean... You can pop into anywhere and sling a rebuke, but until you have built some kind of history with the audience it won't mean anything.
I looked at the poster profile and came to the conclusion that as an American the KJV is their bible for choice. I won't debate verse with someone that uses a book that has had more revisions than a Bethesda game. Also the Zionism aspect of American Christians is why I didn't bother going further because I value my time and arguing with bigots is not all that important.

Thank you though for the clarification of another user. Although I will say your comments about new users having to stay in their lane will just result in an echo chamber. Like wise you haven't actually added any useful advice or information.
 

Lynx

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I looked at the poster profile and came to the conclusion that as an American the KJV is their bible for choice. I won't debate verse with someone that uses a book that has had more revisions than a Bethesda game. Also the Zionism aspect of American Christians is why I didn't bother going further because I value my time and arguing with bigots is not all that important.

Thank you though for the clarification of another user. Although I will say your comments about new users having to stay in their lane will just result in an echo chamber. Like wise you haven't actually added any useful advice or information.
Oh. You're one of those.

How unfortunate.
 

Lynx

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We need a facepalm emoji...

Have I ever mentioned that before? 🤔😆
Aye lad. T'is possible ye might have made the wee comment one or seventy-eight times.

And we do, to be sure. We certainly do.
 

cinder

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I looked at the poster profile and came to the conclusion that as an American the KJV is their bible for choice.
Only thing I like the Kjv for is playing bible or shakespeare. Just out of curiosity, what's your Bible preference?
I didn't bother going further because I value my time and arguing with bigots is not all that important.
My thoughts exactly and why I have no interest in continuing this conversation. Also why you won't get much of the advice you're looking for, just not a lot of bigoted antisemites here.
 

Gideon300

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Not sure if this is the ideal place to ask for advice on this matter but not sure it fits under any of the other forum headings.

I preach in a way that isn't spouting bible versus but I stead listening and helping and directing to parables in the bible.

Recently a friend of mine decided he wishes to convert to Judaism. I appear to be struggling with this because up until this point he was adamant at being an atheist. It is only recently with what's happening in the middle east he seems to have went down that route.

He moved to a new town but as a side note he says he has Jewish heritage but I did his family tree and his heritage was a singular branch six generations back.

My fear is that he has decided to join the religion not out of a belief for it but because he wants the sense of community and to a worse extent the competitive victimhood aspect of the faith.

Furthermore my faith doesn't explicitly state seclusion like some branches of Christianity but it does warn of the blasphemers and heretics.

He is a good friend but I fear that if he goes through with the conversion which would include the bodily mutilation aspect of Judaism, and the loophole aspect of it which is insulting to God, means that our relationship would be strained. Especially as once he has done it then he would be condemned he wouldn't be part of the elect as it's clear from 2 Kings 17:20, Matthew 23:33. Then there's the basis of infanticide which is natural in Judaism all the way back to the various King Herod's. Bodily mutilation being another concern.

My main issue is how do I address these concerns that I don't believe he's actually religious or faithful but instead looking for a community. And that the faith he has chosen is the opposite of what I believe and one which I view in the same light as witchcraft and paganism.

I know this was long but it's something I've been trying to find a healthy way to understand and forgive him on this issue. I know as a Christian I should respect others faiths but I don't know why I feel so uncomfortable about it.
Paul said that those who preach a false gospel should be accursed. I don't go out of my way to berate others of other religions, but neither do I respect their beliefs. Some of those beliefs include hatred for believers and therefore, for God. I do not respect that!

Hopefully, if he joins he will find it as empty and unfulfilling as any other pursuit. While he is alive, there is hope for him to find true salvation. All that you can do is pray for him and be there for him if he should wake up to the truth.
 

Suze

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Aye lad. T'is possible ye might have made the wee comment one or seventy-eight times.

And we do, to be sure. We certainly do.
Where on earth did that come from ?!😆 U certainly mixed it up there ! A bit of Yorkshire and a bit of Scottish ! 😆😆😆
 

Suze

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Maybe u r taking this as a personal rejection , have u been witnessing to him ? And he's rejected your witnessing and chosen a different religion in spite of your efforts . Also he's moved away from u to another city . I can c why u would take this as a person rejection .
In case u didn't know , it takes a lot of hard work to convert to Judaism and if your friend isn't really serious about it , he won't get very far through the process .