Those who walk away still believe. The demons believe and departed on their own will.
Does man have a freewill ?
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No. He is one of the honest calvies.
The rest try to hide it with sneaky language and misdirection.
Expect this question will take a little time and planning on how to get around the truth!
You continue to misrepresent me. I'm not accusing you of anything. I'm simply declaring what you have done and continue to do.
So...the purpose in finding the mystical verse is to show that I cannot possibly believe something that isn't in the Bible.
And if you were actually humble, you would have covered what you believe is my sin. Exactly what you have accused me of, you have done. Notice I didn't whine to you. I simply didn't take offense. If you are going to be a teacher, you should practice what you preach. Jesus began both to DO and to teach.
Jesus' audience was Jews. He came for the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Because the Jews were in part blinded for the sake of the Gentiles.
@Everlasting-Grace
The dont believe because they are not of His Sheep He died for and put away their condemnation and sin Jn 10:26
But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
So they are already condemned by the Law, and cant believe, only the ones He died for are not condemned and so they are given the Gift of Faith to believe.
The dont believe because they are not of His Sheep He died for and put away their condemnation and sin Jn 10:26
But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
So they are already condemned by the Law, and cant believe, only the ones He died for are not condemned and so they are given the Gift of Faith to believe.
So all jews were not chosen, but a few of them. The jews thought they all are Gods chosen, but only a remnant, the rest were blinded by God Rom 11:5-7
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
Nothing their freewill could do about it !
Yes, we all reject God but we do not always reject God.
God does not gift or "grant" us repentance He commands us to repentance.
Acts 17:30
The times of ignorance God overlooked, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent,
What you are pushing is dark theology and certainly not grace but the luck of the draw.
DeepSeeker
I am new to This Site. I am not however, new to The Bible and Scriptures. I have been studying Them for about 68 yrs. That, in itself, does not make One to understand Them!
As for God's plan for ALL OF MANKIND. He has through Their grace, offered spiritual salvation to all who accept It.
Yes, I did say, THEIR. Why? Consider Genesis 1:1.
In The Begining Elohim (God) created ... . Then: "Let US CREATE ... .
Immediately the question should be; Who is THE US ?
The answer takes the gift of spiritual understand; given by The Us, Elohim, God. I have not seen any writing given on The US of Genesis; although I am sure someone most of written on It.
The Us is answered in what is called Today, The New Testament. Jesus, while dying on The Cross, ask His Father to give Him what He had in the beginning with Him. here is the answer to The Us.
Jesus was the Other One, He was The US with The Father, God. Rewriting then, gives the following: In The Begining God (the Us) created The Heaven and The Earth.
Have You ever thought about the Personal Pronoun used in Genesis 1? The US! This is who That Personal Pronoun Is!
He was a part of THE US!
DeepSeeker
I am new to This Site. I am not however, new to The Bible and Scriptures. I have been studying Them for about 68 yrs. That, in itself, does not make One to understand Them!
As for God's plan for ALL OF MANKIND. He has through Their grace, offered spiritual salvation to all who accept It.
Yes, I did say, THEIR. Why? Consider Genesis 1:1.
In The Begining Elohim (God) created ... . Then: "Let US CREATE ... .
Immediately the question should be; Who is THE US ?
The answer takes the gift of spiritual understand; given by The Us, Elohim, God. I have not seen any writing given on The US of Genesis; although I am sure someone most of written on It.
The Us is answered in what is called Today, The New Testament. Jesus, while dying on The Cross, ask His Father to give Him what He had in the beginning with Him. here is the answer to The Us.
Jesus was the Other One, He was The US with The Father, God. Rewriting then, gives the following: In The Begining God (the Us) created The Heaven and The Earth.
Have You ever thought about the Personal Pronoun used in Genesis 1? The US! This is who That Personal Pronoun Is!
He was a part of THE US!
DeepSeeker
And it is amazing to watch. Every calvie here claims they believe and have faith......But yours and most everybody else has faith and belief that is boast worthy and a "work."
Nonsense to the core.
Yes, those who walk away still believe but believe what? The same as they always believed or something different?
I will ask the question again. Does apostasy exist?
It is okay to say no. Many Calvinist do not accept the notion of apostasy.
This is the scary part:
If reformed theology is correct. I am safe, my personal choice doesn't matter. I was elected to believe.
If Grace is through faith, and requires a personal choice.......The "elected to believe" folks could be in some serious danger.
Does anyone know of someone who believes in Calvinism but does not believe that they are part of the chosen few?
Or is it a rule that if you accept that the Bible teaches Calvinism then you must be part of the chosen few?