I showed how God's Will was accomplished because the Church invitation came from me. I didn't hear God say invite them to church. I did that on my own will.
Does man have a freewill ?
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Eh, I originally mentioned children of wrath, as were we all before conversion. You give credit to man, as if he has
some inborn power to overcome his nature when he does not. I give credit to God, for changing man's nature.
God's will is always accomplished! My question was "If the man does not show up at your church, is God's will also accomplished?"
I believe this and yes it is all God. But you can send 10 people to a crowd and only one or two of them are able to be accepted. So I believe God is selective which person He sends to certain people because of how people perceive and accept strangers approaching them.
Romans 8 verse 29-30; Ephesians 1 verse 5 ~ Those God foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers. And those He predestined, He also called; those He called, He also justified; those He justified, He also glorified. He predestined us for adoption as His sons through Jesus Christ, according to the good pleasure of His will.
Yes, because I obeyed God.
Had I not obeyed God would what He told me to do been accomplished in that specific moment? No, it would not have.
That's why God has lots of witnesses. But it doesn't matter. If God is exercising His power through anyone, He will accomplish His purpose.
As long as they do as God commands them to do. Being obedient to God is choosing to.
But yes, in general you are correct.
To me, I believe that you are making this a story about yourself and what you are doing. Then you proclaim that you accomplished what God told you to do.
But the outcome, is controlled by God, and can be used to bring the person closer to Himself or push him further away. Either way, God's will has been accomplished.
Yes, basically.
I was paraphrasing, perhaps poorly. I'm pushing back on the idea that only certain people can trust in Christ for the salvation of their souls. I contend believing is a purely human ability and that God has chosen to save the people who choose to use that ability when presented with the gospel.
I didn't mean it to be disrespectful. I was just referring to it as a switch because Calvinists tend to see faith as something that does not exist until it is granted (i.e., like a light coming on inside their hearts).
Yes, basically. Everyone who puts their trust in Christ does so while being dead in sin. Isn't it clar that death-belief-life is the order, not death-life-belief?
In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise (Eph 1:13).
When God first would tell me to help someone I would pretend God isn't talking to me.
There was times I would even barter with how much I felt impressed to give.
But when I finally just did it and later would see these blessings unaccounted for coming my way I was eager to do as God commanded.
But it took a minute for God to train me properly.
He had patience and that's something that I appreciate most about God.
There was times I would even barter with how much I felt impressed to give.
But when I finally just did it and later would see these blessings unaccounted for coming my way I was eager to do as God commanded.
But it took a minute for God to train me properly.
He had patience and that's something that I appreciate most about God.
That's rediculous. Man has the ability to cry out to God for mercy and forgiveness and God has the power to rescue him from His wrath.
Coming from someone who thinks there's no need to be a witness because God is choosing His Elect would see that someone obeying God is doing it and making it all about themselves.
Chosing ahead of time the destiny of those who would believe (and knowing who they are by way of foreknowledge) is not the same thing as choosing ahead of time who will believe.
Romans 8 verse 29-30; Ephesians 1 verse 5 ~ Those God foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers. And those He predestined, He also called; those He called, He also justified; those He justified, He also glorified. He predestined us for adoption as His sons through Jesus Christ, according to the good pleasure of His will.
Amos and Hosea were prophets in the Days of Jonah but they didn't travel and dealt specifically with the Hebrew People. So, had Jonah been stubborn and not repented before he drowned [Tanakh shows he died and repented before his death] and the fish come swallowed him, there was no one with the ability to preach to Ninevah like he could.
So Jonah was it.
Because God wanted the people of Ninevah saved, would God still have saved Jonah if he refused to repent?
So Jonah was it.
Because God wanted the people of Ninevah saved, would God still have saved Jonah if he refused to repent?
Exactly... just honed in on this part!
Faith exercised correctly in Christ Jesus is the condition.... it is the "through" but salvation is received and it is the gift.
the thing that was spoiled was the nation of israel.
How many times did God destroy them and build them back up again (make a new mold?)
again, its not about induviduals
Jer 18 in context
jer 18:
13 Therefore thus says the Lord:
“Ask now among the Gentiles,
Who has heard such things?
The virgin of Israel has done a very horrible thing.
14 Will a man [f]leave the snow water of Lebanon,
Which comes from the rock of the field?
Will the cold flowing waters be forsaken for strange waters?
15 “Because My people have forgotten Me,
They have burned incense to worthless idols.
And they have caused themselves to stumble in their ways,
From the ancient paths,
To walk in pathways and not on a highway,
16 To make their land desolate and a perpetual hissing;
Everyone who passes by it will be astonished
And shake his head.
17 I will scatter them as with an east wind before the enemy;
I will [g]show them the back and not the face
In the day of their calamity.”
2 Tim 1:9
Please note that the fact that we are saved was settled way before clocks and calendars were invented.
This is not just foreknowledge, it is a decision and action which took place before time began. And, if it was before time began, the decision was God's alone.
God can do anything but the point is there was only the one man of God that traveled listed for those days. And it took him dying before he repented. Even after he preached and Ninevah was saved he still was mad about it.
The issue is always [timing]. Ninevah was ripe at that moment. Only Jonah was available. Had another month or 2 went by waiting for someone else who knows if the hearts of Ninevah would still be fertile soil. But we do know that it was then and only then and God commands Jonah to go.
But had he not repented...