Is The battle of Psalm 83 near?

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PennEd

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They should make a documentary about this, there has to be two sides to this story and a whole lot going on in the shadows.
Recognize her post for what it is. She's just trying to foment hate between Americans and Israelis.

Since when has she ever spoke out for America?
 

Yahshua

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They should make a documentary about this, there has to be two sides to this story and a whole lot going on in the shadows.
I watched this 6 month ago. Here's one of the survivors' eye witness testimony.

 

DeanM

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Recognize her post for what it is. She's just trying to foment hate between Americans and Israelis.

Since when has she ever spoke out for America?
She might be in the wrong venue for that. Maybe she could try and get on the View? 🤣
 

ZNP

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I watched this 6 month ago. Here's one of the survivors' eye witness testimony.

I think this testimony is evidence that there is overwhelming and incontrovertible proof that the IDF attacked the ship, and the US did not come to their aid and covered it up.

What is doesn't answer is why.

The fact that the President of the US recalled planes sent to their rescue indicates this was a political maneuver and not from the Navy, meaning the commander who sent that ship into harms way was not aware of what was about to happen.

But one wonders why the IDF (this can't be a rogue commander since it involved multiple planes from reconnaissance to fighter jets and it involved three ships, so it included IDF intelligence, Air force and Navy and since LBJ was involved we can imagine that it also involved the Prime Minister of Israel) and Israeli political leaders would do this.

In any trial you don't condemn someone before hearing from them first. We have heard from the Prosecutor, now I'd like to hear from the defense attorney.
 

Yahshua

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I think this testimony is evidence that there is overwhelming and incontrovertible proof that the IDF attacked the ship, and the US did not come to their aid and covered it up.

What is doesn't answer is why.

The fact that the President of the US recalled planes sent to their rescue indicates this was a political maneuver and not from the Navy, meaning the commander who sent that ship into harms way was not aware of what was about to happen.

But one wonders why the IDF (this can't be a rogue commander since it involved multiple planes from reconnaissance to fighter jets and it involved three ships, so it included IDF intelligence, Air force and Navy and since LBJ was involved we can imagine that it also involved the Prime Minister of Israel) and Israeli political leaders would do this.

In any trial you don't condemn someone before hearing from them first. We have heard from the Prosecutor, now I'd like to hear from the defense attorney.
Ok fair. But to conclude the argument, I think the simplest explanation is the most accurate reason why. Israel wanted USA to enter into the war with the Arabs...and the public typically won't sign off on war unless we are attacked. More specifically, an act of war must be declared by congress.

Recall pearl harbor. USA didn't enter the world war until Japan attack USA. The president had intel it was about to happen and sat on it then too. Need to get the public outraged and ready for war.

Compare it to what's going on now between Israel and Iran. Our own intelligence dept and the independent IAEA say that there's no evidence iran was restarting their nuke weapons program...but that's all you hear from Israel; been hearing that they're just 1 year away from doing it...for 40 years now.

So they sneek attack Iran while in the middle of negotiations with USA, hitting their power plants...and crime against international law because of the potential meltdown by the way.

Iran starts firing back. Israel needs The USA to enter this conflict to win. It's reported that US diplomat to Israel, Mike Huckabee, was in a shouting match with Netanyahu in Israel because he wouldn't allow Americans to flee back to USA before the heavy attacking started. Why not? Everyone else got to leave who wanted to leave.

When 9/11 happened, we received intel from Israel that Iraq was somehow involved and had WMDs. USA went to war and toppled saddam but never found any WMDs...but "coincidentally" Iraq is no longer a problem for Israel.

TL;DR - why? So that USA can be Israel's attack dog.
 

ZNP

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Ok fair. But to conclude the argument, I think the simplest explanation is the most accurate reason why. Israel wanted USA to enter into the war with the Arabs...and the public typically won't sign off on war unless we are attacked. More specifically, an act of war must be declared by congress.

Recall pearl harbor. USA didn't enter the world war until Japan attack USA. The president had intel it was about to happen and sat on it then too. Need to get the public outraged and ready for war.

Compare it to what's going on now between Israel and Iran. Our own intelligence dept and the independent IAEA say that there's no evidence iran was restarting their nuke weapons program...but that's all you hear from Israel; been hearing that they're just 1 year away from doing it...for 40 years now.

So they sneek attack Iran while in the middle of negotiations with USA, hitting their power plants...and crime against international law because of the potential meltdown by the way.

Iran starts firing back. Israel needs The USA to enter this conflict to win. It's reported that US diplomat to Israel, Mike Huckabee, was in a shouting match with Netanyahu in Israel because he wouldn't allow Americans to flee back to USA before the heavy attacking started. Why not? Everyone else got to leave who wanted to leave.

When 9/11 happened, we received intel from Israel that Iraq was somehow involved and had WMDs. USA went to war and toppled saddam but never found any WMDs...but "coincidentally" Iraq is no longer a problem for Israel.

TL;DR - why? So that USA can be Israel's attack dog.
No, that explanation is not simple nor is the analogy apples to apples. Listen to his testimony, they could see clearly that the planes were Israeli, that the ships were Israeli and LBJ knew the attack was from his ally.
 

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Ok fair. But to conclude the argument, I think the simplest explanation is the most accurate reason why. Israel wanted USA to enter into the war with the Arabs...and the public typically won't sign off on war unless we are attacked. More specifically, an act of war must be declared by congress.

Recall pearl harbor. USA didn't enter the world war until Japan attack USA. The president had intel it was about to happen and sat on it then too. Need to get the public outraged and ready for war.

Compare it to what's going on now between Israel and Iran. Our own intelligence dept and the independent IAEA say that there's no evidence iran was restarting their nuke weapons program...but that's all you hear from Israel; been hearing that they're just 1 year away from doing it...for 40 years now.

So they sneek attack Iran while in the middle of negotiations with USA, hitting their power plants...and crime against international law because of the potential meltdown by the way.

Iran starts firing back. Israel needs The USA to enter this conflict to win. It's reported that US diplomat to Israel, Mike Huckabee, was in a shouting match with Netanyahu in Israel because he wouldn't allow Americans to flee back to USA before the heavy attacking started. Why not? Everyone else got to leave who wanted to leave.

When 9/11 happened, we received intel from Israel that Iraq was somehow involved and had WMDs. USA went to war and toppled saddam but never found any WMDs...but "coincidentally" Iraq is no longer a problem for Israel.

TL;DR - why? So that USA can be Israel's attack dog.
There is also a lot of primary sources beyond this interview (which was very good) which add to entire picture of what happened.

Over course it will typically be met with denial.
 

ZNP

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Compare it to what's going on now between Israel and Iran. Our own intelligence dept and the independent IAEA say that there's no evidence iran was restarting their nuke weapons program...but that's all you hear from Israel; been hearing that they're just 1 year away from doing it...for 40 years now.

So they sneek attack Iran while in the middle of negotiations with USA, hitting their power plants...and crime against international law because of the potential meltdown by the way.

Iran starts firing back. Israel needs The USA to enter this conflict to win. It's reported that US diplomat to Israel, Mike Huckabee, was in a shouting match with Netanyahu in Israel because he wouldn't allow Americans to flee back to USA before the heavy attacking started. Why not? Everyone else got to leave who wanted to leave.

When 9/11 happened, we received intel from Israel that Iraq was somehow involved and had WMDs. USA went to war and toppled saddam but never found any WMDs...but "coincidentally" Iraq is no longer a problem for Israel.

TL;DR - why? So that USA can be Israel's attack dog.
1. Hamas, Hezbollah and Houthis are all proxies of Iran. That means Iran has been actively involved in supplying them with weapons that they have fired at Israel long before this attack.

2. Iran was given 60 days to negotiate concerning putting a stop to their weapons program. If they didn't have one it would have been a simple thing to invite inspectors in from the UN and demonstrate that. Instead they were in violation of a treaty for nuclear inspections.

3. Iran had enriched enough Uranium for ten nuclear bombs, that is not a US report or an Israeli report, that is from the UN which is heavily influenced by Islamic nations. Experts tell us that enriching Uranium to that extent has no purpose for power plants and can only be used in bombs. They are playing with semantics, are they using tools to tighten the bolts on a nuclear bomb? No. But are they assembling all the pieces like hypersonic missiles and enriched Uranium? yes.

So no, there is no correlation at all between Pearl Harbor and this latest attack.
 

ZNP

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There is also a lot of primary sources beyond this interview (which was very good) which add to entire picture of what happened.

Over course it will typically be met with denial.
If by "denial" you mean facts that debunk this theory, yes.
 

Yahshua

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No, that explanation is not simple nor is the analogy apples to apples. Listen to his testimony, they could see clearly that the planes were Israeli, that the ships were Israeli and LBJ knew the attack was from his ally.
No, he said the first reconnaissance planes were clearly marked as Israeli. Then the next planes to visit (that attacked them) were blacked out with no markings. If we stop here momentarily, why were those attack planes unmarked?

The intention was to kill them before they could communicate with unmarked planes. Occam's Razor applies here. We don't need to leap to conclusions with the evidence we're given. Even the sailor said he thought it was Arabs attacking them at first. Israel was battling the Arabs during the Six-Day War. This didn't just happen on a random day.

Then, when they managed to send out a distress message, things changed.
 

ZNP

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No, he said the first reconnaissance planes were clearly marked as Israeli. Then the next planes to visit (that attacked them) were blacked out with no markings. If we stop here momentarily, why were those attack planes unmarked?

The intention was to kill them before they could communicate with unmarked planes. Occam's Razor applies here. We don't need to leap to conclusions with the evidence we're given. Even the sailor said he thought it was Arabs attacking them at first. Israel was battling the Arabs during the Six-Day War. This didn't just happen on a random day.

Then, when they managed to send out a distress message, things changed.
Many of the planes were marked as Israeli, the three ships were marked as Israeli and LBJ knew the attack was from the Israelis.
 

Melach

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Psalm 83

1(A Song or Psalm of Asaph.) Keep not thou silence, O God: hold not thy peace, and be not still, O God.
2For, lo, thine enemies make a tumult: and they that hate thee have lifted up the head.
3They have taken crafty counsel against thy people, and consulted against thy hidden ones.
4They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance.
5For they have consulted together with one consent: they are confederate against thee:
6The tabernacles of Edom, and the Ishmaelites; of Moab, and the Hagarenes;
7Gebal, and Ammon, and Amalek; the Philistines with the inhabitants of Tyre;
8Assur also is joined with them: they have holpen the children of Lot. Selah.
9Do unto them as unto the Midianites; as to Sisera, as to Jabin, at the brook of Kison:
10Which perished at Endor: they became as dung for the earth.
11Make their nobles like Oreb, and like Zeeb: yea, all their princes as Zebah, and as Zalmunna:
12Who said, Let us take to ourselves the houses of God in possession.
13O my God, make them like a wheel; as the stubble before the wind.
14As the fire burneth a wood, and as the flame setteth the mountains on fire;
15So persecute them with thy tempest, and make them afraid with thy storm.
16Fill their faces with shame; that they may seek thy name, O LORD.
17Let them be confounded and troubled for ever; yea, let them be put to shame, and perish:

18That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.

I do not see any battle in this Chapter that would be relevant to today. Folks would have to really reach to make it so IMO.........
thank you. grasping at straws. none of these nations even exist anymore.
 

ZNP

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thank you. grasping at straws. none of these nations even exist anymore.
Edom is the twin brother of Jacob, if we have Jews today who are descentants of Jacob we also have those who are descendants of Edom. The name means red, so the Rothschilds mean "Red shield" they are examples of descendants of Edom. They are not Jews, they are descendants of Abraham and Isaac. The Ishmaelites are descendants of Ishmael. Moabites are descendants of Moab.

Since the church is the Israel which is above these can all be seen to have spiritual significance. Abraham is the father of faith, that means both Ishmael and Edom are groups related to faith in God. Moab is not, Abraham was his uncle (actually Lot's uncle). They are like someone who says their uncle was a pastor. Same with Ammon. Amalek refers to the flesh. None of these names refer to nations, they refer to people who were descendants of someone.