The Error is Baptism in Jesus name only for salvation

[DeepSeeker]

Those in Sin do not know, or understand sin; or its' price!
That is why is there so much, FALSE salvation Today. Come up hefe and confess and be saved, is the shout.
Be save from What ? How?

There is only One true salvation for mankind; and it was paid on The Cross! Water baptism was what The Apostle John was doing before His salvation!
So why then, is This still being done by many churches Today? Because It makes for a good show!
This is a price to be paid by Those that do This Thing!
Does water take away sin and grant spiritual salvation to a person? Then there is no need for Jesus having died on The Cross!

So who is spiritually correct; man or The Spirit Of God ? You have your choice. Be sure and make Your choice the correct One!
Deepseeker

 

[CS1]

Those in Sin do not know, or understand sin; or its' price!
That is why is there so much, FALSE salvation Today. Come up hefe and confess and be saved, is the shout.
Be save from What ? How?

There is only One true salvation for mankind; and it was paid on The Cross! Water baptism was what The Apostle John was doing before His salvation!
So why then, is This still being done by many churches Today? Because It makes for a good show!
This is a price to be paid by Those that do This Thing!
Does water take away sin and grant spiritual salvation to a person? Then there is no need for Jesus having died on The Cross!

So who is spiritually correct; man or The Spirit Of God ? You have your choice. Be sure and make Your choice the correct One!
Deepseeker

No, that is not correct. Romann chapter 10:9-10 states very clearly AS Jesus said in John 3:16-19



9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. 13 For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”

Just speaking a word, saying what is known as the "sinner prayer," doesn't save you.

The Holy Spirit must enable one to Believe as they come under conviction for their sins and can see the need for salvation and forgiveness through repentance, grace, and faith. Then, they are able to accept Christ's free gift. Once they do this, they should follow Christ in obedience by being baptized in water. Baptism in the name of The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit or in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth.

Confession with the mouth, but without a transformation of the heart, produces nothing.

 

[DeepSeeker]

Well known Member --

Do Those who do not know Christ Jesus, Or The Bible, know about spiritual confession? No, They do not, and don't care. They are the Ones called, spiritually lost.
In Rom. 10:9 it is stated: " BECAUSE, if you acknowledge and confess with your lips (mouth) that Jesus is Lord and in your heart believe in, and rely on the truth that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. "
I do not read that verse; that The Believing One will not be saved ?
The Book of Romans was written to THE SAINTS at Rome. Therefore it applies to the Gentiles, which make It apply to all whom believe.
Do You prefer to change It?

DeepSeeker

 

[DeepSeeker]

The Lord Jesus Christ took my sin unto himself, And without holiness, no one shall see God. God can't look on sin, but he does see it; he is offended by it, and he will Judge it.

If you don't even know that, I can see why you don't know how to get rid of it.

No one goes to the Father except through Jesus. And their sins had to be atoned. Jesus got rid of my sin. Not water baptism.

 

[DeepSeeker]

There are, Two Kingdoms given in The New Testament. ONE is: The Kingdom Of Heaven, THE OTHER is: The Kingdom OF God.
Why are there Two given? Which One is for who, When ? ?

Deepseeker

 

[DeepSeeker]

You are adding to the text. in 1cor 15:3
born of water is not speaking of baptism it is speaking of the natural birth in John 3:5

I asked: WHO, are The Many ?

 

[CS1]

I asked: WHO, are The Many ?

I'm sorry, I'm not sure of your question, and you could provide me with a little more information?

Thank you

 

[DeepSeeker]

I'm sorry, I'm not sure of your question, and you could provide me with a little more information?

Thank you

In Your Email You sent to Me; You mentioned The Many. Who are They ?

Deepseeker

 

[CS1]

In Your Email You sent to Me, You mentioned The Many. Who are They?

Deepseeker

I sent an email. I'm sorry, please, I need more. I apologize.

 

[Ouch]

I know you are having trouble, so as I stated before, from Romans chapter 6, what Baptism is and what we are doing when we are water baptized. That was addressed by many in the 100's posts that followed.

If you answered the question I would not have continued to ask it!!

Can sin enter Heaven??????

Such a simple question, then you call me a liar and full of pride!!

Since you DON'T HAVE A CLUE if sin will enter Heaven I shared scripture to help you understand better. Did it work?

I DIDN'T ask any questions about baptizm because we didn't get past your lack of knolage about sin being able to enter Heaven.

SOMETHING SO SIMPE AND DAYS LATER WE GOT NOWHERE!!

Your the master of DEFLECION.

 

[Wansvic]

Read John 20:22 and Luke 24:49 you're incorrect.

I'll share it one last time in hopes that you will accept the truth: The apostles knew the Spirit of Truth because He was dwelling with them:
"And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: BUT YE KNOW HIM; FOR HE DWELLETH WITH YOU, and shall be in you." John 14:16-17

 

[CS1]

If you answered the question I would not have continued to ask it!!

Can sin enter Heaven??????

Such a simple question, then you call me a liar and full of pride!!

Since you DON'T HAVE A CLUE if sin will enter Heaven I shared scripture to help you understand better. Did it work?

I DIDN'T ask any questions about baptizm because we didn't get past your lack of knolage about sin being able to enter Heaven.

SOMETHING SO SIMPE AND DAYS LATER WE GOT NOWHERE!!

Your the master of DEFLECION.

I answered that. All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. Those who do not come to know the Lord Jesus Christ do not receive eternal life. Can sin enter heaven, of course? Not Jesus said It is finished; the debt has been paid in full for those who come to the saving knowledge of the Lord and repent, then receive the grace through faith. Don't try to make this about me The topic is what I stated. If you want to start one on sin in or not heaven, please do so.

 

[CS1]

I'll share it one last time in hopes that you will accept the truth: The apostles knew the Spirit of Truth because He was dwelling with them:
"And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: BUT YE KNOW HIM; FOR HE DWELLETH WITH YOU, and shall be in you." John 14:16-17

again I will show the word of GOD John 14 was before the resurrection.

Luke 24:49 and John 20:22 were after Jesu was resurrected. Context.

Jesus breathed on them in John 20:22, and they received the Holy Spirit. The effect of that was their Understanding was open Luke 24:44-49.

Pre-crucifixion and Post resurrection. Context is different. Acts 1:8 states that the Holy Spirit was given then for the power to be a witness to the Lord, as Jesus said. Jesus, when HE comes upon you the same language as John 14. They had the Holy Spirit because He opened their understanding. Spiritual discernment is not carnal.

 

[Wansvic]

LOL, do you know what unit chapters are?


1cor chapter 1 lets start there shall we:

10 Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. 11 For it has been declared to me concerning you, my brethren, by those of Chloe’s household, that there are contentions among you. 12 Now I say this, that each of you says, “I am of Paul,” or “I am of Apollos,” or “I am of Cephas,” or “I am of Christ.” 13 Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?

14 I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius, 15 lest anyone should say that I had baptized in my own name. 16 Yes, I also baptized the household of Stephanas. Besides, I do not know whether I baptized any other. 17 For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of no effect.


What do you mean, Paul? Jesus did not send you to baptized, which is so critical for salvation. I can't believe this, Paul.

This way, you, "Wansvic," and others who try to cherry-pick the word of God and failed to read chapter one. Why did you leave this chapter and verses on and go to chapter three of 1 Corinthians?

1. you are dishonest?
2. You did not know it was there said by Paul.?

My reply pertained to your comments in post 1522 concerning 1 Cor. 15:3. But in error I referenced 1 Cor. chapter 3. I've included the post contents. They have nothing to do with the scripture you bring up:

"For I delivered unto you first of all (meaning the gospel message contained more) that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;" 1 Corinthians Chapter 3 is primarily addressing the resurrection. And baptism is even discussed at the very end of the chapter. This reveals the gospel message included water baptism.

As to the water and Spirit in John 3:5. Think about it, why would it be necessary to stress to people that have already been born naturally that unless they are born naturally they can not enter Heaven? It would not.

Scripture shines light on the truth. Jesus said believers who continue in His word will know the truth and the truth shall make them free. (John 8:31-32) It is no coincidence that every detailed conversion account mentions both water and Spirit. Water as in water baptism in the name of Jesus for remission of sin, and receiving the Holy Spirit into one's body. (Acts 2:4-41, 8:12-18, 9:17-18, 10:43-48, 19:1-7, 22:16)"

 

[CS1]

My reply pertained to your comments in post 1522 concerning 1 Cor. 15:3. But in error I referenced 1 Cor. chapter 3. I've included the post contents. They have nothing to do with the scripture you bring up:

"For I delivered unto you first of all (meaning the gospel message contained more) that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;" 1 Corinthians Chapter 3 is primarily addressing the resurrection. And baptism is even discussed at the very end of the chapter. This reveals the gospel message included water baptism.

As to the water and Spirit in John 3:5. Think about it, why would it be necessary to stress to people that have already been born naturally that unless they are born naturally they can not enter Heaven? It would not.

Scripture shines light on the truth. Jesus said believers who continue in His word will know the truth and the truth shall make them free. (John 8:31-32) It is no coincidence that every detailed conversion account mentions both water and Spirit. Water as in water baptism in the name of Jesus for remission of sin, and receiving the Holy Spirit into one's body. (Acts 2:4-41, 8:12-18, 9:17-18, 10:43-48, 19:1-7, 22:16)"

Yes I saw your error. Again, why did you not include Chapter 1? Paul said he was not sent to baptize.


10 Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

11 For it has been declared to me concerning you, my brethren, by those of Chloe’s household, that there are contentions among you. 12 Now I say this, that each of you says, “I am of Paul,” or “I am of Apollos,” or “I am of Cephas,” or “I am of Christ.” 13 Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?

14 I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius, 15 lest anyone should say that I had baptized in my own name. 16 Yes, I also baptized the household of Stephanas. Besides, I do not know whether I baptized any other.

17 For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of no effect.

 

[BillG]

If you answered the question I would not have continued to ask it!!

Can sin enter Heaven??????

Such a simple question, then you call me a liar and full of pride!!

Since you DON'T HAVE A CLUE if sin will enter Heaven I shared scripture to help you understand better. Did it work?

I DIDN'T ask any questions about baptizm because we didn't get past your lack of knolage about sin being able to enter Heaven.

SOMETHING SO SIMPE AND DAYS LATER WE GOT NOWHERE!!

Your the master of DEFLECION.

How do you get rid of your sins which you say WE need to do?

 

[Ouch]

I answered that. All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. Those who do not come to know the Lord Jesus Christ do not receive eternal life. Can sin enter heaven, of course? Not Jesus said It is finished; the debt has been paid in full for those who come to the saving knowledge of the Lord and repent, then receive the grace through faith. Don't try to make this about me The topic is what I stated. If you want to start one on sin in or not heaven, please do so.

Why so defensive? You do know, thank you.

You started this, you responded to someone and said in #1,465

"Salvation occurs before baptism. Baptism is the first act of obedience for a new believer—an outward expression of the inward transformation"

So my second qustion THAT YOU NEVER ANSWERED WAS.

PROVE WITH HIS WORD, Baptism is the first act of obedience for a new believer—an outward expression of the inward transformation.

Now that you admit Sin will not enter Heaven you need to show HOW WE GET RID OF IT???

So 1. prove the baptizm part and 2. with scripture tell us how we get rid of our sins.

DON'T SAY JESUS PAID FOR THEM, HE DID IN FACT but that's WHAT HE DID I want to KNOW WHAT WE HAVE TO DO????

 

[Ouch]

How do you get rid of your sins which you say WE need to do?

Thank you for asking, it's not a stand alone thing just for me, it's for ALL who will obey.

HIS WORD, not my opinon.

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

 

[BillG]

Thank you for asking, it's not a stand alone thing just for me, it's for ALL who will obey.

HIS WORD, not my opinon.

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Ok

Have you sinned since you were baptised?

 

[CS1]

Why so defensive? You do know, thank you.

You started this, you responded to someone and said in #1,465

"Salvation occurs before baptism. Baptism is the first act of obedience for a new believer—an outward expression of the inward transformation"

So my second qustion THAT YOU NEVER ANSWERED WAS.

PROVE WITH HIS WORD, Baptism is the first act of obedience for a new believer—an outward expression of the inward transformation.

Now that you admit Sin will not enter Heaven you need to show HOW WE GET RID OF IT???

So 1. prove the baptizm part and 2. with scripture tell us how we get rid of our sins.

DON'T SAY JESUS PAID FOR THEM, HE DID IN FACT but that's WHAT HE DID I want to KNOW WHAT WE HAVE TO DO????

LOL, defensive, haha haha. You said, " YOU don't know." Yes, I did say salvation happens before one is water-baptized because what you fail, you see in scripture

IS Salvation the effect of grace through faith. Baptism is an act of Obedience, and you can't obey if you are dead in sin.