Understanding God’s election

[Hui1]

It is an unfortunate position, but God has promised a time when He will return to the nation Israel and large numbers of people will be saved. And they still have the Bible in part, and the Old Testament is still about Jesus. Faith still comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. So they aren't without hope.

Thank you again, brother, for your patience in replying to me.I just feel a little sorry that they stillThere is no New testament bible.Then they know very little about Jesus.hum,I hope they can be saved by grace earlier and get to know Jesus Christ earlier.Salvation.May God's salvation come them earlier.

 

[DeepSeeker]

HeIsHere

You sure have an ability to help others, don't You?
I too may be stupid in some ways! However, I would be more than happy to hear Your views on what scripture says; and to whom; for when.
Deepseeker

 

[DeepSeeker]

I have a question for This Room.
Why was The Apostle Paul sent to The Gentiles ? IF He was sent by God to Them, and was given A New Program for Them, then why do people Today mix all programs of The Scriptures together ? ?
Deepseeker

 

[HeIsHere]

Hardly. It is foolishness to him.

Well then let us correct the words of Christ Jesus..

1. “Now Jesus did many other signs in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book; but these are written so that you may believe, but you cannot, it is foolishness to you, that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name” (John 20:30–31).

2. “’For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him, but know first it is foolishness to you, should not perish but have eternal life’” (John 3:16)

3. “But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, but you cannot, your sins are too deep, Satan will no allow it you under his full control, you are born blind and deaf, and I gave you a mind that prohibits you and it is foolishness to you, he gave the right to become children of God,” (John 1:12)

4. “Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him, but know first it is foolishness to you because you cannot really hear, you are born with no faculties to reason because Augustine says so, who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life” (John 5:24).

5. “And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, that whoever believes in him, but know first it is foolishness to you, may have eternal life” (John 3:14–15).

6. “Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in me, but know first it is foolishness to you because my words require special gnosis from God first, though he die, yet shall he live,’” (John 11:25)

 

[lrs68]

I really appreciate it．Well, your reply, I know you are.Jews are Hebrews, and I just learned that your Bible has only 22 volumes.I want to askDo you believe that Jesus Christ is our Lord and Savior? This pairSalvation is very important, because you areJews, so I want to ask you this question. Can you answer me if it is convenient for you?I hope my translation is accurate and I didn't offend you.

Yeshua [Jesus] is my Messiah, God, Lord, Savior!

I believe that Jesus is who we read in Exodus when God told Moses His name is Elohim, I AM, YHVH, Yahweh, MOST HIGH GOD.

So I most definitely believe in Jesus!

 

[Hui1]

HeIsHere

You sure have an ability to help others, don't You?
I too may be stupid in some ways! However, I would be more than happy to hear Your views on what scripture says; and to whom; for when.
Deepseeker

are you a Jew and a Hebrew?I hope my reply didn't hurt you, no.Makes you feel uncomfortable.I really hope that we can get along well with each other, whether Jews, Hebrews or foreigners.Or can all Christians get along well with each other,I hope my translation is correct.

 

[HeIsHere]

Election: Take your pick: Free Grace and Views of Election

Another day, another argument.

At least it began with a

Excellent website, free grace, amazing!! Thank you.

 

[Hui1]

I really appreciate it．Well, your reply, I know you are.Jews are Hebrews, and I just learned that your Bible has only 22 volumes.I want to askDo you believe that Jesus Christ is our Lord and Savior? This pairSalvation is very important, because you areJews, so I want to ask you this question. Can you answer me if it is convenient for you?I hope my translation is accurate and I didn't offend you.

Yeshua [Jesus] is my Messiah, God, Lord, Savior!

I believe that Jesus is who we read in Exodus when God told Moses His name is Elohim, I AM, YHVH, Yahweh, MOST HIGH GOD.

So I most definitely believe in Jesus!

First of all, thank you very much for replying to me.when II heard that you believe that Jesus is our Lord and Savior.Jesus is the messiah.I'm glad to hear that.About what you said.In the old testament.I haven't heard of another name of the Lord God, so I dare not comment.You believe that Jesus is the only one of God.Son?

 

[Cameron143]

Thank you again, brother, for your patience in replying to me.I just feel a little sorry that they stillThere is no New testament bible.Then they know very little about Jesus.hum,I hope they can be saved by grace earlier and get to know Jesus Christ earlier.Salvation.May God's salvation come them earlier.

There are many Jewish Christians today. And they do have a portion of the word of God. This is sufficient for them to believe. Nothing is impossible for God.

 

[Cameron143]

Well then let us correct the words of Christ Jesus..

1. “Now Jesus did many other signs in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book; but these are written so that you may believe, but you cannot, it is foolishness to you, that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name” (John 20:30–31).

2. “’For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him, but know first it is foolishness to you, should not perish but have eternal life’” (John 3:16)

3. “But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, but you cannot, your sins are too deep, Satan will no allow it you under his full control, you are born blind and deaf, and I gave you a mind that prohibits you and it is foolishness to you, he gave the right to become children of God,” (John 1:12)

4. “Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him, but know first it is foolishness to you because you cannot really hear, you are born with no faculties to reason because Augustine says so, who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life” (John 5:24).

5. “And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, that whoever believes in him, but know first it is foolishness to you, may have eternal life” (John 3:14–15).

6. “Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in me, but know first it is foolishness to you because my words require special gnosis from God first, though he die, yet shall he live,’” (John 11:25)

This entire post is foolishness to me.

 

[HeIsHere]

This entire post is foolishness to me.

I bolstered your position for you..

.......the one where a unique divine intervention is required but is not afforded to people who are unregenerate.

 

[Magenta]

Actually, they have the ability to change their mind and believe in response to God who then changes their nature.

That's odd... your Bible must say something different than mine. Mine has Jesus saying a bad tree cannot bring forth
good fruit... and that the mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit to God's law, nor can it do so.

 

[Magenta]

This entire post is foolishness to me.

It is just more of them adding to Scripture. That is warned against in places...

 

[Magenta]

I bolstered your position for you..

.......the one where a unique divine intervention is required but is not afforded to people who are unregenerate.

Your lack of understanding should cause you concern. It is the unregenerate who are in need of intervention.

 

[Cameron143]

I bolstered your position for you..

.......the one where a unique divine intervention is required but is not afforded to people who are unregenerate.

The Bible is clear enough on the subject.

 

[Magenta]

The Bible is clear enough on the subject.

Yes, and God has promised to reveal Himself. I wonder why she finds that laughable.

Probably because God has not revealed Himself to her.

 

[Magenta]

I have a question for This Room.
Why was The Apostle Paul sent to The Gentiles ? IF He was sent by God to Them, and was given A New Program for Them, then why do people Today mix all programs of The Scriptures together ? ?
Deepseeker

According to the Bible, particularly in the Book of Acts, Paul was sent to the Gentiles with the specific purpose of "opening their eyes," to help lead them from a state of spiritual blindness and ignorance to a state of enlightenment and faith in Jesus Christ. The ultimate goal was for them to turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan to God, receiving forgiveness of sins and a place among God's people.

The "opening of eyes" is a divine act: This phrase signifies that it is God who ultimately reveals spiritual truths to individuals.

Turning from darkness to light:This metaphorically represents a transformation from evil to good, ignorance to knowledge, from sin to righteousness.

From the power of Satan to God: This highlights the spiritual battle between the forces of darkness and the kingdom of God.

Forgiveness of sins: A central tenet of Christianity, made possible through Jesus' sacrifice.

Place among God's people: This refers to eternal life and blessings promised to believers.

 

[lrs68]

First of all, thank you very much for replying to me.when II heard that you believe that Jesus is our Lord and Savior.Jesus is the messiah.I'm glad to hear that.About what you said.In the old testament.I haven't heard of another name of the Lord God, so I dare not comment.You believe that Jesus is the only one of God.Son?

Yes, Jesus is the Son!
But the entire Bible shows He is God with many Names like the WORD in the Gospel of John 1:1.

 

[HeIsHere]

The Bible is clear enough on the subject.

Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

So, in this dogma (determinism) the words of Jesus cease to be true unless we adjust them.

So let us conduct the eisegesis required....

Jesus answered, “I am the way (only for the enabled/elect.... not the one who trusts in me ) and the truth (only for the enabled/elect.... not the person who trusts in me) and the life (only for the enabled/elect .....not the person who trusts in me).

No one comes to the Father (unless I enable them) except through me.

Seems like we have to change a lot of Jesus' words.

Jesus has determined the non elect to never believe the truth, that is ultimate destination/end point of this dogma.

 

[Magenta]

Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

So, in this dogma (determinism) the words of Jesus cease to be true unless we adjust them.

Heh, yeah, you declare that you came to God through yourself.

Whereas Scripture plainly states that it is not by the desire, effort, or will of man.

It is by the desire and will of God. But you don't believe that.

And you declare something else that is not even in the Bible.