The Error is Baptism in Jesus name only for salvation

[Pilgrimshope]

How can my works save me?

Hearing what God said and obeying is a self work to some of the folks you’re talking to . Thier concept of faith means no one ever needs to hear and obey God because it’s a self work and it’s trusting in yourself if you believe that you need to listen to and take seriously and actually obey him.

Hypergrace is a mind virus

 

[Lamar]

How can my works save me?

You made the assertion and are still attempting to ignore the question.

Your side-stepping implies a flaw in your reasoning.

 

[lrs68]

You made the assertion and are still attempting to ignore the question.

Your side-stepping implies a flaw in your reasoning.

What am I ignoring because Jesus never told me to do this work or that work to be saved anywhere in the Bible.

He said believe that He is who He claims and I will be saved. That is 100% Bible.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Water baptism affirms a person's faith?

It’s how God has always been baptism is exactly this principle

“And the LORD said unto Moses, Stretch out thine hand toward heaven, that there may be darkness over the land of Egypt, even darkness which may be felt. And Moses stretched forth his hand toward heaven; and there was a thick darkness in all the land of Egypt three days:”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭10:21-22‬ ‭

what God said to Moses made Moses lifting his hand integrated into the word Moses had to move his hand or what zgod said wouldn’t come to pass. The power and value is what God said about whatever the subject is that’s what gives it meaning and Importance

at he darkness didn’t come because Moses moved his hand it came because God told him. “ lift up your hand Moses so that the darkness will come as I said “ moses acted upon what it was God said
And Gods word came to pass spoken to and tbrough Moses that’s the operation of baptism

you hear the truth about it like this

“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,

and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:38‬ ‭

a there’s only value to it if I believe what Gods messenger is saying about it if I believe Peter who said “ get baptized for remission of your sins in his name who died for your sins “

then it has value to me because I believe God spoke this word of baptism for remission of sins .

if my friend is with me and hears it and he rejects it then it becomes meaningless and doesn’t have any value because it’s not of faith believing

if we were making the case “ anyone who gets dunked in water shall be saved !” It would be ridiculous . The value is what God said baptism is done for and what he said it means when we do it.

consider noah he was saved by grace through faith

“But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.

These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.

And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth. Make thee an ark of gopher wood;

( after he sees Noah with grace he gives him a warning of what’s going to happen and instructs him to build an ark and be saved )

……. Thus did Noah; according to all that God commanded him, so did he.” ( Noah acted by faith when he obeyed the lord according to what god said to him )
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭6:8-9, 13-14, 22‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭11:7‬ ‭

faith isn’t a reason we don’t need to do anything gods grace isn’t either

faith is when we hear what God said and believe him and if he’s called us to act , to act because we believe him

had Noah responded to God saying “ I believe you lord but I’m not going to do what you said will save me “ it would t have been faith and Noah would have surely drown

The action is what completes the idea of faith

 

[Lamar]

Hearing what God said and obeying is a self work to some of the folks you’re talking to . Thier concept of faith means no one ever needs to hear and obey God because it’s a self work and it’s trusting in yourself if you believe that you need to listen to and take seriously and actually obey him.

Hypergrace is a mind virus

A painful but true statement.

Many of the faith alone groups sadly will label obedience as an attempt to earn salvation.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

A painful but true statement.

Many of the faith alone groups sadly will label obedience as an attempt to earn salvation.

Yes sir there are a couple foundational things they have to disqualify before thier doctrine can even seem real. So grace and faith become basically nothing just words meaning “ no one need to hear and obey God don’t think that that’s you trying to be god and save yourself “

It’s ridiculous of course but also tends to seem to lead a lot of folks in the wrong direction

 

[Lamar]

What am I ignoring because Jesus never told me to do this work or that work to be saved anywhere in the Bible.

He said believe that He is who He claims and I will be saved. That is 100% Bible.

If you have no intention to answer the question just don't respond.

 

[CS1]

I agree that you should not be able to delete something from a post after the posting time limit but nevertheless this sentence is no longer in your post# 970???

How is this possible? Do you have the access to do this?

maybe you're mistaken.

 

[lrs68]

If you have no intention to answer the question just don't respond.

Ask me the question again because I am not understanding what you asked.

 

[Lamar]

Ask me the question again because I am not understanding what you asked.

Post# 1336

Works prove salvation?

So what works prove salvation?

 

[lrs68]

Post# 1336

Works prove salvation?

So what works prove salvation?

Helping those in need while sharing the Gospel with them.

Helping to finance missionary work to spread the Gospel.

Being a good example of a Christ follower.

Making Disciples for Jesus.

Praying for things when asked to pray.

The list is endless here but there's a lot of works Christians should be doing.

 

[lrs68]

Double post 📫

 

[Branch]

Dear Wansvic, I hope you are not omitting passages or misinterpreting the Bible because they don't align with your beliefs. As some have done, When I said that the Pentecostal faith in the one God theory was wrong, I mean in the cruel way they go about doing it, the way they omit God, our heavenly Father, is abominable, evil and entirely unnecessary for them to dishonour to beautiful our heavenly Father that way. To try to erase God, our heavenly Father, from the Bible is unbiblical and unwise. I thought it was okay to remove the Father's name from the Lord's Prayer. I prayed the Lord's Prayer in Jesus' name instead of the Father's name, as in, Our Father who art in heaven,
However, I used the name of Jesus, thinking that Jesus wanted me to pray to Him this way because it seemed logical to me in light of the oneness theory. After praying this way a couple of times, I received a strong rebuke from the Holy Spirit, and Our Lord Jesus did not want me to remove his holy Father from the prayer. Additionally, I want to share a true story with you that happened to me.
I had the misfortune of witnessing the horrible spectacle of this visiting pastor stepping on specific passages of God's word that contradicted his teachings. After his disastrous sermon, I went up to talk with him, arguing his point, and he rejected the passages of scripture I declared unto him; as I looked into his face, I noticed his pupils had dilated to become the same as two wormholes pitch-black and long like wiggly worms, and somehow I could see his black soul.
Our Father who art in heaven,
Hallowed be thy name.
Thy (your) kingdom come.
Thy (your) will be done
on earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread,
and forgive us our trespasses,
as we forgive those who trespass against us,
and lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil.
For thine is the kingdom and the power, and the glory,
forever and ever. Amen.

 

[CS1]

"you have to be saved before you are water-baptized and also to receive the Holy Spirit to confirm your born-again experience that had to happen before water baptism"

Are you saying that you did not delete this statement from your post# 970?

I await your honest response.

Here is a copy of post 970, my response to Oouch:

Ouch:
HIS word is great isn't it.

When we go under the water symbolic die (can't breath) come out our first breath as a new creature.

Then pray for JESUS to fill us with his spirit.

But of course we have to obey how to be baptized, can't just be baptized in any name it has to be JESUS.
You added to the word of God.


if it is symbolic, then the action had to be done another way through Jesus, not the work of baptism.

CS1 :
Dead men don't obey; you have to be saved before you are water-baptized and also to receive the Holy Spirit to confirm your born-again experience that had to happen before water baptism A discussion to be baptized was made after one has been saved and made alive by the Spirit Saved by Grace through faith not of works.

 

[Magenta]

Post number 970

You added to the word of God.

if it is symbolic, then the action had to be done another way through Jesus, not the work of baptism.

Dead men don't obey; you have to be saved before you are water-baptized and also to receive the Holy Spirit to confirm your born-again experience that had to happen before water baptism A discussion to be baptized was made after one has been saved and made alive by the Spirit Saved by Grace through faith not of works.

 

[dave44]

Part One:

Within some branches of some Pentecostalism and others, a movement has emerged that rejects the traditional doctrine of the Trinity. This anti-Trinity movement, often referred to as Oneness Pentecostalism, has splintered into various denominations, fellowships, and independent churches.


A central point of contention in this movement is the formula used in Christian baptism. While mainstream Christianity follows Jesus’ instruction in Matthew 28:19 to baptize “in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit,” those in the anti-Trinity camp reject this practice. Instead, they insist baptism should be performed “in the name of Jesus only,” arguing that the Trinitarian formula is unbiblical and, in some cases, even claiming it is an anti-Christ concept.


This perspective significantly deviates from historic Christian orthodoxy, which has affirmed the Trinity as a foundational truth since the early creeds of the Church. It’s important for believers to understand where these differences come from and to engage in thoughtful, biblically grounded discussion on matters of doctrine and practice.

Understanding these movements helps us appreciate the diversity within Pentecostalism while also reaffirming the core doctrines that unite the broader body of Christ.

The “Jesus Only” View of Baptism: A Revival of an Ancient Heresy

Adherents point to Acts 2:38, where Peter declares on the day of Pentecost: “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins…” They interpret this as a divine revelation that reveals the “true” meaning behind Matthew 28:19. According to their belief, the phrase in Matthew is essentially a riddle—one that is “unlocked” by the revelation that “Jesus” is the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

This teaching is a modern expression of an ancient heresy known as Modalism, or Sabellianism—named after Sabellius, a third-century teacher. Modalism denies the distinct persons of the Trinity, claiming instead that God reveals Himself in different “modes” or roles: Father in creation, Son in redemption, and Spirit in regeneration. Oneness advocates often present this as a unique, end-time revelation from God. Yet, ironically, the belief itself is not new—it revives a doctrine the early church refuted nearly 1,800 years ago.

While sincere in their convictions, this rejection of the Trinity stands in direct opposition to historic Christian orthodoxy, which affirms the co-equal and co-eternal nature of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. The Nicene Creed (A.D. 325), a foundational statement of Christian faith, was developed in part to combat such distortions of God’s nature.

The language of Scripture and the testimony of the early church both affirm a Triune God—not three gods, but one God in three persons. Understanding these theological distinctions isn’t just academic; it’s vital to preserving the integrity of the gospel and the fullness of who God has revealed Himself to be.

If it is said for us to do in the bible, and another group says don't do it, they are literally being anti-christian. It's that simple. The only potential is in other things like should we still obey OT laws, some say yes or no. But, the people in these camps do not do something against these laws, therefore the general model is we follow the bible, one way or another, that we do our best is all we can do. But not doing what the bible says, and doing another way that the bible still says, as both methods of naming are mentioned, is fine. It is only the issue of saying the bible is wrong and we should not do it with the trinity naming when the bible has this model also, as acceptable, and guided to do so, that people cross the line by saying it is anti-christian. They are by saying it. They are divisive yes? It seems. Yes?

 

[Lamar]

Helping those in need while sharing the Gospel with them.

Helping to finance missionary work to spread the Gospel.

Being a good example of a Christ follower.

Making Disciples for Jesus.

Praying for things when asked to pray.

The list is endless here but there's a lot of works Christians should be doing.

And doing these works proves you are saved?

 

[lrs68]

And doing these works proves you are saved?

I doubt anyone who opposes God would be doing any of those kinds of works. Those works are expected from Christian people. If you see people doing those works you might say that person is a Christian.

 

[tablet123]

Jesus did actually say He never knew those who believed in Him in Matthew 7:21-23. Then He went on to explain the importance of laying a proper foundation. I don't believe this was a coincidence. His immediate explanation would seem to indicate the lack of a proper foundation was the reason He had NEVER come to know them. Note what is included in the foundation as revealed in Hebrews 6 below.:

"Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment." Heb 6:1-2


Each item mentioned, is included in Peter's initial message presented at Pentecost. (Acts 2:4-42) I don't believe this is a coincidence either. I believe it is possible they were never buried together with Jesus. Surely Jesus knows those who believe and buried together with Him through faith and obedience to the NT water baptism command.

2Ti 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

2Ti 3:4 lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

They would not allow the Spirit to lead them and lived in sin believing they were saved so they never came to the knowledge of the truth.

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

If a person holds unto sin then the blood of Jesus will not wash it away because God will not take away a sin they hold on to and they are truly not repenting.

Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

1Co 10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.
1Co 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

A Spirit led life will not sin therefore they are not under the law which the law cannot touch them for prosecution.

There is no excuse although many people make an excuse and are under the law thinking they are not.