The Error is Baptism in Jesus name only for salvation

[Magenta]

John 5 verses 24-25 ~ Truly, truly, I tell you, whoever hears My word and believes Him who sent Me has eternal life and will not come under judgment. Indeed, he has crossed over from death to life. Truly, truly, I tell you, the hour is coming and has now come when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

So when the Holy Spirit decended on Jesus at his baptism He was decending on Himself? And when a voice from heaven said this is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased, it was Jesus talking to himself? Yeah, what does the bible know about it? 🤔

“ Yeah, what does the bible know about it? 🤔”

exactly what’s the Bible say about it?

“And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, ( Jesus ) justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭3:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The son of God is the God of heaven manifest on earth in the flesh like us , so we can know him in truth .

So essentially yea Jesus the man received the spirit of God in heaven and God declared “ thou art my son n whom I am well Pleased “

It’s fulfilment of prophecy regarding the son who would be born Immanuel God with us .

“I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, And the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; Thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel. Serve the LORD with fear, And rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, When his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭2:7-10, 12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

you aren’t understanding who Jesus was before he came and after he left because only looking at when he was on earth in the flesh and blood of man

to understand you have to know who this is

“In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

….He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:1, 3, 10, 12-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Does it make God a different person because he became flesh and came to earth to reveal his name and save us ? Or to give his spirit to us ?

jesus layed down his glory the glory of God the father to come save us after he accomplished the work he returned to his eternal glory as the one and o my true God and creator of all things in heaven and earth

he was teaching us that God is our father

“At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father,( God the father )

and ye in me, (the son )

and I in you.”( the holy ghost )
‭‭John‬ ‭14:20‬ ‭KJV‬‬



the Holy Ghost is a spirit and wasn’t crucified for our sins nor the father the son was born in the flesh and suffered and died for sins .

But The flesh and body of Jesus who walked among us , can’t live in our hearts so he lives in us by his spirit .

Gods not limited like we are to a single form he manifests himself with n different ways to accomplish his purposes

We needed an atonement for sins and teacher of truth to renew our mind and faith so we could know God in truth

and we also needed a new spirit in our hearts ( Holy Spirit of Jesus )

look into who Jesus was before he was born in the flesh and then after he left

“And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.”
‭‭John‬ ‭17:5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Hes not a different person he just came to save us and part of that was to live as a man in subjection to God

 

[CS1]

You must be using Hellenized Greek because in Koine Greek, "another Comforter" is translated as "άλληνος παρηγορητής" (allonos parēgōrētēs), where:

• άλληνος (allenos): means "other".
• παρηγορητής (parēgōrētēs): is the noun form of the verb "to comfort".

it is one like the same kind but different. So, Jesus' body is currently in heaven? If so, how can he send His Spirit apart from His glorified body?

 

[Pilgrimshope]

John 15 verse 16 plus from 1 Peter 2 verse 9 ~ You did not choose Me, but I chose you. And I appointed you to go and bear fruit— fruit that will remain— so that whatever you ask the Father in My name, He will give you. You are a chosen people. a royal priesthood, a people to proclaim the virtues of Him Who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light.

“And he goeth up into a mountain, and calleth unto him whom he would: and they came unto him.

And he ordained twelve, that they should be with him, and that he might send them forth to preach, and to have power to heal sicknesses, and to cast out devils: and Simon he surnamed Peter;”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭3:13-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life. And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God. Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil? He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:68-71‬ ‭KJV‬‬


My point is Jesus said this during the last supper to his twelve chosen apostles technically eleven because Judas had already left the meal . Regarding the commission he was going to give them

“Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: ( he’s talking about thier preaching the gospel after he dies and leaves ) that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.”( he’s talking about the miraculous things they did by the spirit as they preached )
‭‭John‬ ‭15:16‬ ‭

“until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭1:2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[lrs68]

it is one like the same kind but different. So, Jesus' body is currently in heaven? If so, how can he send His Spirit apart from His glorified body?

How can He in a Christophany be on earth raining down brimstone upon Sodom from Himself while in Heaven, theoretically upon His Throne and God tells Moses it's the same person of God?

If He can do it in the Old Testament why is impossible for Him to do it in the New Testament?

I personally don't know but I believe what I read in Genesis 19 as literal and factual.

 

[CS1]

How can He in a Christophany be on earth raining down brimstone upon Sodom from Himself while in Heaven, theoretically upon His Throne and God tells Moses it's the same person of God?

If He can do it in the Old Testament why is impossible for Him to do it in the New Testament?

I personally don't know but I believe what I read in Genesis 19 as literal and factual.

FYI, the body of Jesus was not yet born God had not yet become man in the Old Testament. Are you saying that the literal body of Jesus doesn't exist? Will we see him at His coming, or was that not literal?

Every time you speak, it seems you have to shed pages from the Word of God to make your point. Keep it.

 

[lrs68]

FYI, the body of Jesus was not yet born God had not yet become man in the Old Testament. Are you saying that the literal body of Jesus doesn't exist? Will we see him at His coming, or was that not literal?

Every time you speak, it seems you have to shed pages from the Word of God to make your point. Keep it.

I am saying a Christophany like Abraham and Moses and Joshua Others saw was God looking human. Why do you make it so complicated? Does it need to be complicated for you in order to believe as you do? It doesn't for me. But I am Hebrew and was raised on the teachings of the Torah so I know better than most think they do.

 

[CS1]

I am saying a Christophany like Abraham and Moses and Joshua Others saw was God looking human. Why do you make it so complicated? Does it need to be complicated for you in order to believe as you do? It doesn't for me. But I am Hebrew and was raised on the teachings of the Torah so I know better than most think they do.

LOL, you and many of your proponents tell us that there is no Father and won't tell us who Jesus was speaking to when He prayed and whose voice it was that talked at Jesus's baptism and on the Mount of Transfiguration. You are asking us to go against what the scriptures say. Answer my questions. Stop avoiding them.

 

[DeanM]

LOL, you and many of your proponents tell us that there is no Father and won't tell us who Jesus was speaking to when He prayed and whose voice it was that talked at Jesus's baptism and on the Mount of Transfiguration. You are asking us to go against what the scriptures say. Answer my questions. Stop avoiding them.

The Oneness will never answer your questions. Ive been outside and playing some Zelda on switch. Nice.

 

[Hui1]

it is one like the same kind but different. So, Jesus' body is currently in heaven? If so, how can he send His Spirit apart from His glorified body?

 

[lrs68]

LOL, you and many of your proponents tell us that there is no Father and won't tell us who Jesus was speaking to when He prayed and whose voice it was that talked at Jesus's baptism and on the Mount of Transfiguration. You are asking us to go against what the scriptures say. Answer my questions. Stop avoiding them.

I have never avoided your questions because this is the first time we've interacted on these forums.

Jesus was only a partial portion of His Deity and the Bible tells us that.

So where was the rest of His Deity at if not in Heaven?

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I know it's like reading the LORD on earth rained upon Sodom brimstone from the LORD in Heaven but God told Moses the LORD is the same being so Moses used same title for both.

exactly we forget that God isn’t limited to one form or one place in time. In the ot he sometimes visited earth but he never dwelt among us in the flesh before jesus was born . The gospel is when the god of heaven manifest himself among man as one of us who’d come to save us then through Christs atonement he remits sin and offers a new clean spirit bit defiled by the flesh

If we look at his plan to atone for mans sins , and give us a new mind and heart and out his spirit within us ….Jesus and the gospel makes perfect sense

 

[Pilgrimshope]

it is one like the same kind but different. So, Jesus' body is currently in heaven? If so, how can he send His Spirit apart from His glorified body?

“Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.”
‭‭John‬ ‭16:7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:19‬ ‭

“This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:32-33‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[BillG]

The Oneness will never answer your questions. Ive been outside and playing some Zelda on switch. Nice.

Who won?

 

[Lamar]

John wrote that we could know we possessed eternal life. So your claims are in error.

1 John 5 verses 11-13 + John 6 verse 47 ~ This is that testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I have written these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.

John is not writing to Magenta or Lamar Harris, he is writing to Christians. The promise is to Christians and Christians alone.

Claims of being in a saved state does not confirm that your name is written in the unopened Book of Life. This is true of all mankind, regardless of our sincerity or theology.

If we are honest with ourselves we will admit to the bias of our own personal beliefs.

In the end we all believe (know) we are saved, Calvinist or not.

 

[Magenta]

John is not writing to Magenta or Lamar Harris, he is writing to Christians. The promise is to Christians and Christians alone.

Claims of being in a saved state does not confirm that your name is written in the unopened Book of Life. This is true of all mankind, regardless of our sincerity or theology.

If we are honest with ourselves we will admit to the bias of our own personal beliefs.

In the end we all believe (know) we are saved, Calvinist or not.

You are weird and self-contradictory. If John writing to Christians does not include you, I will take your word for it, that it does not apply to you, fine. On the other hand, I know I am saved. If I am honest with myself it seems you are saying you are not saved, although you are all over the place, saying you cannot know, but you believe, yadda yadda yadda, you are as confused as they come.
To be honest, I do not believe you have heard the voice of the Master. You do not know whether you are chosen or not.

John 15 verse 16 plus from 1 Peter 2 verse 9 ~ You did not choose Me, but I chose you. And I appointed you to go and bear fruit— fruit that will remain— so that whatever you ask the Father in My name, He will give you. You are a chosen people. a royal priesthood, a people to proclaim the virtues of Him Who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light.

 

[DeanM]

Who won?

Link is alive and resting 🤓

 

[Lamar]

You are weird and self-contradictory. If John writing to Christians does not include you, I will take your word for it, that it does not apply to you, fine. On the other hand, I know I am saved. If I am honest with myself it seems you are saying you are not saved, although you are all over the place, saying you cannot know, but you believe, yadda yadda yadda, you are as confused as they come.
To be honest, I do not believe you have heard the voice of the Master. You do not know whether you are chosen or not.

Your response is rather emotional and illogical.

I am simply stating the obvious. No one can prove they are saved.

You and I may be saved but our belief in this is not evidence.

I trust that all Christians are saved, this is written in the Bible. But the Bible does not claim that all people who believe they are saved are actually saved and this is your logic.

 

[Magenta]

Your response is rather emotional and illogical.

I am simply stating the obvious. No one can prove they are saved.

You and I may be saved but our belief in this is not evidence.

I trust that all Christians are saved, this is written in the Bible. But the Bible does not claim that all people who believe they are saved are actually saved and this is your logic.

You are projecting, and also being illogical, moving the goal posts, etc, we were not discussing whether anyone can prove these things, that was not the question, but whether or not one knows, which you do not, and I do. I am sorry if that makes you squirm and try to say we were talking about things we were not. That is simply dishonesty on your part. I have never said all who believe they are saved, are, I have said I believe I am saved and you do not like it and want to try to prove nobody can know such things even though Scripture contradicts what you have said. And now I am ready to leave work, packing up my laptop etc. I suggest you seek the Lord. He has promised to reveal Himself to those who diligently and sincerely seek Him.

 

[Cameron143]

Your response is rather emotional and illogical.

I am simply stating the obvious. No one can prove they are saved.

You and I may be saved but our belief in this is not evidence.

I trust that all Christians are saved, this is written in the Bible. But the Bible does not claim that all people who believe they are saved are actually saved and this is your logic.

No one can prove the existence of God either, but they can know Him.