The Error is Baptism in Jesus name only for salvation

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Wansvic

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to him, it would be because you were not water baptized and not in Jesus' name only.
Actually the gospel message does address the need for those who believe in Jesus to be water baptized in His name for remission of sin as well as the need to repent, and receive the Holy Ghost. (Acts 2:38)
 

lrs68

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If you took a minute to study the scripture instead of focusing on denominational beliefs you may just see IT, THE SCRIPTURE, speaks for itself:

John 14:16-17
And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, (future tense) that he may abide with you for ever;
Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him:

but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, (currently dwells with you-meaning the Spirit of Jesus)
and shall (future tense) be in you. (an experience yet to come)
I heard Rod Parsley, Assemblies of God Trinity Preacher, explained this concept in a way that blew my mind.

First remember he is Trinity...he said, Jesus said, ANOTHER COMFORTER, meaning that Jesus is a COMFORTER.

But Jesus is embodied in flesh and can only be in ONE PLACE AT A TIME.

But when the flesh leaves then His Spirit, A SECOND COMFORTER, can come back and be EVERYWHERE AT ONE TIME.

Parsley said, before being flesh Jesus was the WORD which is Spirit and Spirit can be everywhere at once.

This is a Trinity Preacher of the Assemblies of God saying this.

I thought I was having hearing problems and rewounded the sermon to make sure I heard what I thought I was hearing.
 

Wansvic

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If that's not calling the pot calling the kettle black
The referenced scripture says the apostles knew the Comforter because he was dwelling with them. But the Comforter that currently dwelled with them would be IN them. Jesus explained the Comforter could not come until He departed. (John 16:7) Their experience of being filled with the Holy Ghost occurred at Pentecost. (Acts 2:4)


John 14:16-17
And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, (future tense) that he may abide with you for ever;
Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him:

but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you,
and shall (future tense) be in you. (an experience yet to come)
 

Wansvic

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I heard Rod Parsley, Assemblies of God Trinity Preacher, explained this concept in a way that blew my mind.

First remember he is Trinity...he said, Jesus said, ANOTHER COMFORTER, meaning that Jesus is a COMFORTER.

But Jesus is embodied in flesh and can only be in ONE PLACE AT A TIME.

But when the flesh leaves then His Spirit, A SECOND COMFORTER, can come back and be EVERYWHERE AT ONE TIME.

Parsley said, before being flesh Jesus was the WORD which is Spirit and Spirit can be everywhere at once.

This is a Trinity Preacher of the Assemblies of God saying this.

I thought I was having hearing problems and rewounded the sermon to make sure I heard what I thought I was hearing.
What an awesome insightful explanation! Thank you very much for sharing.
 

Wansvic

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Stop being untruthful and answer the question. Are you saying John chapter 14 and John chapter 20 have the same context even though Jesus had not yet been crucified and risen again?


YOu say I am missing, but you did not answer the qestion I will ask again.

When Jesus was speaking to His Father in Prayer, was he praying to himself? And the voice heard at the Water Baptism of Jesus Mathew 3:17 whose voice was it?

Prove that I am misleading. Prove I m rejecting scripture. Could you not say it. Right here where all can see.
Your problem is you refuse to accept what John 14:16-17 clearly conveys. As such, you start throwing unrelated scriptures in the mix to try to support your belief.

John 14:16-17 says what it says, Period.
 

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Your problem is you refuse to accept what John 14:16-17 clearly conveys. As such, you start throwing unrelated scriptures in the mix to try to support your belief.

John 14:16-17 says what it says, Period.
which it? I'm unwilling to accept your position, or am I misleading?

Let's look at the text you provided, John 14:16-17. Is the Context established in Chapter 14 in verses 16-17?





You say I threw in unrelated scriptures; which ones?
 

lrs68

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What an awesome insightful explanation! Thank you very much for sharing.
After thinking about what Parsley said makes sense because ultimately what does the Holy Spirit of God do?

It confirms everything Jesus did and said.

And both are Comforters to believers of God.

Parsley is just making them to be more united/closer than what the Trinity doctrine claims. He's using Acts 5 where Peter says the Holy Spirit is the Lords Spirit.
 
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Funny how Oneness and Calvinist followers both hate to admit to it. And pretend they dont know what oneness is. Im a beliver in the Trinity and the grace of God for salvation. See? I have no problem posting that. Its easy.
“Im a beliver in the Trinity and the grace of God for salvation. “

you should believe in Jesus the son of God sent into the world for salvation there is no other

“There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭4:4-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭6:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

But what’s the Bible know about it
 

CS1

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I heard Rod Parsley, Assemblies of God Trinity Preacher, explained this concept in a way that blew my mind.

First remember he is Trinity...he said, Jesus said, ANOTHER COMFORTER, meaning that Jesus is a COMFORTER.

But Jesus is embodied in flesh and can only be in ONE PLACE AT A TIME.

But when the flesh leaves then His Spirit, A SECOND COMFORTER, can come back and be EVERYWHERE AT ONE TIME.

Parsley said, before being flesh Jesus was the WORD which is Spirit and Spirit can be everywhere at once.

This is a Trinity Preacher of the Assemblies of God saying this.

I thought I was having hearing problems and rewounded the sermon to make sure I heard what I thought I was hearing.
Rod Parsley is a Dominion Pentecostal Kingdom Now theology advocate. As far as AOG, I do not see that and would need more proof.
 
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After thinking about what Parsley said makes sense because ultimately what does the Holy Spirit of God do?

It confirms everything Jesus did and said.

And both are Comforters to believers of God.

Parsley is just making them to be more united/closer than what the Trinity doctrine claims. He's using Acts 5 where Peter says the Holy Spirit is the Lords Spirit.
“But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8:11‬ ‭

“For I know that this shall turn to my salvation through your prayer, and the supply of the Spirit of Jesus Christ,”
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭1:19‬ ‭

The spirit of God is the spirit of Christ or “the Holy Ghost “

“But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: And your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, And your young men shall see visions, And your old men shall dream dreams:”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

God accomplished that through becoming a man living a perfect life and then suffering and dying for our sins

Remember this part ?

“And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭23:46‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That’s the holy ghost he promised to believers

“And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭4:6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Whether we say the holt ghost , the spirit of God , the spirit of the lord , the spirit of Jesus Christ it’s always about gods spirit given through Christ Jesus to believers in him.

see this shows us what happened

“And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh,( that’s who jesus is ) justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭3:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

God becoming flesh doesn’t make him a dofferent person it’s just a different form and rule for the same one who became flesh in order to save us


Jesus put Gods spirit in us . Because it’s the same spirit that was in him as he walked among us
 

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I heard Rod Parsley, Assemblies of God Trinity Preacher, explained this concept in a way that blew my mind.

First remember he is Trinity...he said, Jesus said, ANOTHER COMFORTER, meaning that Jesus is a COMFORTER.

But Jesus is embodied in flesh and can only be in ONE PLACE AT A TIME.

But when the flesh leaves then His Spirit, A SECOND COMFORTER, can come back and be EVERYWHERE AT ONE TIME.

Parsley said, before being flesh Jesus was the WORD which is Spirit and Spirit can be everywhere at once.

This is a Trinity Preacher of the Assemblies of God saying this.

I thought I was having hearing problems and rewounded the sermon to make sure I heard what I thought I was hearing.
Wrong !!!!


The word "another Comforter" in Greek is "allos paraklētos " which means another like the same to come alongside to help. YET is different. (in many applications):—more, one (another), (an-, some an-)other(-s, -wise).
 

lrs68

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Wrong !!!!


The word "another Comforter" in Greek is "allos paraklētos " which means another like the same to come alongside to help. YET is different. (in many applications):—more, one (another), (an-, some an-)other(-s, -wise).
You must be using Hellenized Greek because in Koine Greek, "another Comforter" is translated as "άλληνος παρηγορητής" (allonos parēgōrētēs), where:

  • άλληνος (allenos): means "other".
  • παρηγορητής (parēgōrētēs): is the noun form of the verb "to comfort".
 

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“Im a beliver in the Trinity and the grace of God for salvation. “

you should believe in Jesus the son of God sent into the world for salvation there is no other

“There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭4:4-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭6:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

But what’s the Bible know about it
So when the Holy Spirit decended on Jesus at his baptism He was decending on Himself? And when a voice from heaven said this is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased, it was Jesus talking to himself? Yeah, what does the bible know about it? 🤔
 
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You are dealing with a Oneness beliver and there is also a Calvinist here. Oneness is a fairly new idea. Not sure when it was started or by whom. Calvin had a twisted idea what predestination in scripture is refering to.
“Not sure when it was started or by whom”

I and my Father are one.”
‭‭John‬ ‭10:30‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28:19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: in whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2:9-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭6:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭19:5‬ ‭

“For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:”

“There is one body, ( of Jesus Christ )

and one Spirit, ( of Jesus Christ )

even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; ( eternal
Life in Christ Jesus )

one Lord, ( every tounge will confess that Jesus Christ is lord )

one faith, ( the faith of Jesus Christ found in the gospel )

one baptism, ( in Jesus name for repentance and remission of sins )

one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.”( by his one spirit in us )
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭4:4-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.”
‭‭John‬ ‭20:27-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:20‬ ‭

“Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭43:10-

If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.”
‭‭John‬ ‭14:7-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.”
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭2:10-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. ……..And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭1:8, 12, 17-18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭22:12-14, 16‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 

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So when the Holy Spirit decended on Jesus at his baptism He was decending on Himself? And when a voice from heaven said this is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased, it was Jesus talking to himself? Yeah, what does the bible know about it? 🤔
I know it's like reading the LORD on earth rained upon Sodom brimstone from the LORD in Heaven but God told Moses the LORD is the same being so Moses used same title for both.
 
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This is a question only God can and should answer. The Book of Life is still closed.

Actually, any claim of a personal or individual nature can not be answered by scripture.

Unless you trust esoteric claims of knowledge.
John wrote that we could know we possessed eternal life. So your claims are in error.


1 John 5 verses 11-13 + John 6 verse 47 ~ This is that testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I have written these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.
 
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John 15 verse 16 plus from 1 Peter 2 verse 9 ~ You did not choose Me, but I chose you. And I appointed you to go and bear fruit— fruit that will remain— so that whatever you ask the Father in My name, He will give you. You are a chosen people. a royal priesthood, a people to proclaim the virtues of Him Who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light.
 
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This is a question only God can and should answer. The Book of Life is still closed.

Actually, any claim of a personal or individual nature can not be answered by scripture.

Unless you trust esoteric claims of knowledge.
Jesus also said His sheep hear His voice. Have you not heard? And that those who hear will live.


John 10 verses 27-28 My sheep hear My voice, I know them and they follow Me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish. No one can snatch them out of My hand.
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