The Error is Baptism in Jesus name only for salvation

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No, what you have supplied is commentary; an expression of opinions or offering of explanations about an event or situation.

The actual biblical account reveals:
1. Jesus gave the command to baptize in a singular name. Matthew 28:19
2. The apostles understood what name Jesus was referring to as revealed and confirmed numerous times in scripture. (Acts 2:4-41, 8:12-18, 10:43-48, 19:1-7)
3. Church history reveals when men decided they knew better than God and His apostles, and stripped the name of Jesus from the practice. The word of God expresses that the traditions of men have the ability to make the word of God of none effect. (Mark 7:13)
4. Jesus Christ is the one who died, was buried and resurrected. And those who are baptized are buried with whom? Him. (Rom. 6:3-6, Col. 2:10-15)


People should seriously consider what Peter told those who objected to the apostles using the name of Jesus:

"Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk." Acts 3:6

"Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.

11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.

12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

13 Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were unlearned and ignorant men, they marvelled; and they took knowledge of them, that they had been with Jesus.

14 And beholding the man which was healed standing with them, they could say nothing against it.

15 But when they had commanded them to go aside out of the council, they conferred among themselves,

16 Saying, What shall we do to these men? for that indeed a notable miracle hath been done by them is manifest to all them that dwell in Jerusalem; and we cannot deny it.

17 But that it spread no further among the people, let us straitly threaten them, that they speak henceforth to no man in this name.

18 And they called them, and commanded them not to speak at all NOR teach in the name of Jesus.

19 But Peter and John answered and said unto them, Whether it be right in the sight of God to hearken unto you more than unto God, judge ye. Acts 4:10-18
You have done the same thing :).

You try to use Grammatical jujitsu ". Jesus gave the command to baptize in a singular name. Matthew 28:19"

You focus on the name while missing the authority.

"2. The apostles understood what name Jesus was referring to as revealed and confirmed numerous times in scripture. "(Acts 2:4-41, 8:12-18, 10:43-48, 19:1-7)


Your two points here are given at the expense of all Scripture. You took a term, made a context, and left out what was said before and after Mathew 28:17-20


17 When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

Who gave Jesus the Authority? “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. "

Why would Jesus need one to give him Authority? If Jesus was speaking in singular, he surely was not when HE said the authority was given to him. That is because in the name of means commissioned by an authority, "IN the name of in the Greek " means the name, i.e. for one's rank, authority, interests, pleasure, command, excellences, deeds, etc.
 

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Brother consider this

“….thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John………. For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord,….; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.

And many of the children of Israel shall he turn to the Lord their God. And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭1:13-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying, And thou, child, shalt be called the prophet of the Highest: For thou shalt go before the face of the Lord to prepare his ways; To give knowledge of salvation unto his people By the remission of their sins, Through the tender mercy of our God; Whereby the dayspring from on high hath visited us, And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, and was in the deserts till the day of his shewing unto Israel.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭1:67, 76-78, 80‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins. And there went out unto him all the land of Judæa, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins. and preached, saying, There cometh one mightier than I after me, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to stoop down and unloose. I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:4-5, 7-8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

some other things John preached

“The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world. This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me. And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water.

And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost. And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:29-31‬ 33-34

“After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judæa; and there he tarried with them, and baptized. And John also was baptizing in Ænon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized. And they came unto John, and said unto him, Rabbi, he that was with thee beyond Jordan, to whom thou barest witness, behold, the same baptizeth, and all men come to him. John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven. Ye yourselves bear me witness, that I said, I am not the Christ, but that I am sent before him. He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled. He must increase, but I must decrease. He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all. And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth; and no man receiveth his testimony. He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true. For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him. The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand. He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3:22-23, 26-36‬ ‭KJV‬‬

did you notice this part ?

“After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judæa; and there he tarried with them, and baptized. “

John never gets credit for his preaching about faith in Christ and remission of sins because it was beforhand and his name wasn’t known yet but there’s even more elsewhere .
I did notice that part. And John 4:1-2 provides clarification that it was the disciples who were baptizing not Jesus Himself.

I don't know if you have ever considered that John's baptism was only for repentance. And at that point, neither the disciples (whether baptized themselves or not) nor those who submitted to water baptism had any idea what the future held for Jesus. Also, relevant is John was baptizing people before Jesus came on the scene as well. (Mark 1:1-9, Luke 3:1-6, 21-22)

Note Jesus' prophecy in Luke 24:47, it parallels what Peter revealed on the Day of Pentecost in Jerusalem. Those who heard and believed in Jesus and His resurrection were told they must repent and to be baptized in the name of Jesus for remission of sins. The command was specific; it applied to everyone. The prophecy also revealed that what started in Jerusalem would go forth into all nations.

The water baptism begun by John the Baptist was later modified in the NT. Those who believed in Jesus' death, burial and resurrection acknowledged their trust in His sacrifice and submitted to being baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. It is reasonable to conclude the disciples submitted to the NT command.

Acts 2:21-38
And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:
23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:
24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
25 For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:
26 Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:
27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
28 Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.
29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool.
36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
KJV
 

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No, the error is failure to view the outward work of WB as indicative of the essential SB that occurs at the moment of saving faith,
which parallels the OT outward act of circumcision as indicating the essential saving faith of Abraham (Rom. 2:25-29, 3:21-26, 4:1-25 & 5:1-11). Note how the doctrinal passages in Romans clarify what occurred in the historical in Acts.
Water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ is for remission of sin as expressed by the word of God. (Mark 1:1-5, Luke 3:3, Acts 2:38, 22:16...)

The Romans had already heard and obeyed the gospel message revealed at Pentecost. (Rom. 1:1-7)

You mention OT circumcision. What happened to those who refused to believe and obey that command? (Gen. 17:14, Ex 2:21-26)
 

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Good job at taking a post and acting ignorant of what was meant. You should take your act on the road. Maybe hit the big time and start a mega church someday.
Prov 8:33
Hear instruction, and be wise, and refuse it not.
 

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and Became Flesh
Yes He did. Hallelujah!

"He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:" John 1:10-12

"Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord:" Deut 6:4
 

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You have done the same thing :).

You try to use Grammatical jujitsu ". Jesus gave the command to baptize in a singular name. Matthew 28:19"

You focus on the name while missing the authority.

"2. The apostles understood what name Jesus was referring to as revealed and confirmed numerous times in scripture. "(Acts 2:4-41, 8:12-18, 10:43-48, 19:1-7)


Your two points here are given at the expense of all Scripture. You took a term, made a context, and left out what was said before and after Mathew 28:17-20


17 When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

Who gave Jesus the Authority? “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. "

Why would Jesus need one to give him Authority? If Jesus was speaking in singular, he surely was not when HE said the authority was given to him. That is because in the name of means commissioned by an authority, "IN the name of in the Greek " means the name, i.e. for one's rank, authority, interests, pleasure, command, excellences, deeds, etc.
Jesus was fully God, and fully man. As such He had all authority in both heaven and earth. Considering that fact why would He then state to baptize in titles? He didn't. Scripture reveals we are told to baptize in a name. The name that is above every name. And that name is Jesus as revealed by the actions of Jesus' apostles.

The sum of God's word is truth. Meaning study of the word of God will reveal the truth. A corrupt understanding comes from accepting only portions of the word and mingling bits and pieces from outside sources that contradict it's teachings.

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry." 2 Tim 3:16-4:5
 

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you have to be saved before you are water-baptized and also to receive the Holy Spirit to confirm your born-again experience that had to happen before water baptism
This is the faith alone regeneration theology on full display.

CS1: We must be "saved" (remission of sins) and receive the Holy Spirit before you can be baptized.

The Bible: "Peter answered them, “All of you must turn to God and change the way you think and act, and each of you must be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ so that your sins will be forgiven. Then you will receive the Holy Spirit as a gift." Acts 2:38

CS1, here is the Easy to Read version, if it helps:

"Peter said to them, ‘Each of you must stop doing wrong things. You must change how you live. If you believe in Jesus Christ, then we will baptize you. God will forgive you for the wrong things that you have done. Then you will receive the Holy Spirit, who is God's gift to you."

Enough said.
 

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Instruction of oneness isnt scriptual. Do you know what the oneness movement is? The OP does. Thats why he didnt reply.
Us Hebrews are oneness but not in the sense of how it is explained throughout this thread. But we adhere to [Hear O Israel, the LORD your GOD is ONE]. We know from Exodus the LORD is Elohim, I AM, YHVH, Yahveh, MOST HIGH GOD, Yeshua\(complete Godhead or proper translation is complete DEITY) [Jesus to you].
 

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Us Hebrews are oneness but not in the sense of how it is explained throughout this thread. But we adhere to [Hear O Israel, the LORD your GOD is ONE]. We know from Exodus the LORD is Elohim, I AM, YHVH, Yahveh, MOST HIGH GOD, Yeshua\(complete Godhead or proper translation is complete DEITY) [Jesus to you].
Elohim is plural which is one word that points to the Trinity. There are other examples in the NT that points there also.
 

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Elohim is plural which is one word that points to the Trinity. There are other examples in the NT that points there also.
I believe in the English language it means plural but it's a Hebrew word that has always meant singular to the Hebrew people.

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What does Elohim mean in the Hebrew Language?
The Hebrew word for God is Elohim. It's used with a singular meaning in the Hebrew Bible, Elohim usually refers to the monotheistic Creator God, or to the God of Israel, Yahweh.
 
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I believe in the English language it means plural but it's a Hebrew word that has always meant singular to the Hebrew people.

[below is a copy\paste]

What does Elohim mean in the Hebrew Language?
The Hebrew word for God is Elohim. It's used with a singular meaning in the Hebrew Bible, Elohim usually refers to the monotheistic Creator God, or to the God of Israel, Yahweh.
yeah singular

Let all the nations be gathered together, and let the people be assembled: who among them can declare this, and shew us former things? let them bring forth their witnesses, that they may be justified: or let them hear, and say, It is truth.

Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.

I have declared, and have saved, and I have shewed, when there was no strange god among you: therefore ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, that I am God.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭43:9-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 

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I believe in the English language it means plural but it's a Hebrew word that has always meant singular to the Hebrew people.

[below is a copy\paste]

What does Elohim mean in the Hebrew Language?
The Hebrew word for God is Elohim. It's used with a singular meaning in the Hebrew Bible, Elohim usually refers to the monotheistic Creator God, or to the God of Israel, Yahweh.
Genesis 1:26 Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."

Genesis 3:22
22 Then the Lord God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil; and now, he might stretch out his hand, and take also from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever”—

2 Corinthians 13:14
14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, be with you all.
 

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Genesis 1:26 Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."

Genesis 3:22
22 Then the Lord God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil; and now, he might stretch out his hand, and take also from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever”—

2 Corinthians 13:14
14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, be with you all.
Not here to be difficult but in 8 chapters throughout the Torah\Tanakh we see God with His Angelic Councils where He addresses them and talks to them as gods so the Hebrew Language translates Genesis 1 and 3 as God and His Councils where God calls them gods.

Example Psalms 82:
1 God standeth in the congregation of God; He judgeth among the gods.
 
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I did notice that part. And John 4:1-2 provides clarification that it was the disciples who were baptizing not Jesus Himself.

I don't know if you have ever considered that John's baptism was only for repentance. And at that point, neither the disciples (whether baptized themselves or not) nor those who submitted to water baptism had any idea what the future held for Jesus. Also, relevant is John was baptizing people before Jesus came on the scene as well. (Mark 1:1-9, Luke 3:1-6, 21-22)

Note Jesus' prophecy in Luke 24:47, it parallels what Peter revealed on the Day of Pentecost in Jerusalem. Those who heard and believed in Jesus and His resurrection were told they must repent and to be baptized in the name of Jesus for remission of sins. The command was specific; it applied to everyone. The prophecy also revealed that what started in Jerusalem would go forth into all nations.

The water baptism begun by John the Baptist was later modified in the NT. Those who believed in Jesus' death, burial and resurrection acknowledged their trust in His sacrifice and submitted to being baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. It is reasonable to conclude the disciples submitted to the NT command.

Acts 2:21-38
And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:
23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:
24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
25 For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:
26 Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:
27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
28 Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.
29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool.
36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
KJV
“I did notice that part. And John 4:1-2 provides clarification that it was the disciples who were baptizing not Jesus Himself.”

yeah I think o wuoted that a couple posts ago my point was not that Jesus was baptizing but that johns disciples went to follow Jesus and began to baptize folks based on the gospel that was now after John being preached

“The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭16:16‬ ‭

“Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the point I was hoping you’d notice is that John fulfills the end of the prophets regarding isreal to prepare the Israelites for the lords arrival and all the original disciples were of Israel

First the gospel was preached only to israel after johns baptism that again was about the remission of Israel’s sins and the apostles were Israelites

then afterwards the same gospel was sent to all nations in Jesus name ….who the disciples had already been following in faith thoer baptism was already about Jesus that’s why John was preaching faith in Christ to those he baptized then they walked with Jesus for a few years baptizing others who believed in him

i hope that clarifies what I was trying to show you in the last post brother

john and his baptism was for Israel and so was Jesus preaching the gospel then after that he then sent baptism in his name for remission of sins and the same gospel of the kingdom to everyone


The fisoel was preached forst exclusively to israel to fulfill the ot promises John ms baptism eas part of that being preached to them to conclude the prophets

“Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me:

and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.”
‭‭Malachi‬ ‭3:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God; As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, Which shall prepare thy way before thee. John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:1-2, 4‬ ‭


remember brother he was preaching faith in Christ also
 

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Not here to be difficult but in 8 chapters throughout the Torah\Tanakh we see God with His Angelic Councils where He addresses them and talks to them as gods so the Hebrew Language translates Genesis 1 and 3 as God and His Councils where God calls them gods.

Example Psalms 82:
1 God standeth in the congregation of God; He judgeth among the gods.
God standeth in the congregation of God; He judgeth among the gods.

God~~Plural.

Congregation of God~~Singular.
 

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You just live by your English translation and be happy 😊

I live by the Hebrew Language and how Moses taught.
God standeth in the congregation of God; He judgeth among the gods.

God~~Plural.

Congregation of God~~Singular.


אֱ‍ֽלֹהִ֗ים
’ĕlō-hîm,

אֵ֑ל
’êl;
 

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God standeth in the congregation of God; He judgeth among the gods.

God~~Plural.

Congregation of God~~Singular.


אֱ‍ֽלֹהִ֗ים
’ĕlō-hîm,

אֵ֑ל
’êl;
Like I said you believe as you choose and I am happy for you 😊

In Hebrew God is singular and gods is plural and we know the Council are Angels because a few verses down the singular God tells the plural gods they will die like mortal human beings.

6 I said, Ye are gods,
And all of you sons of the Most High.
7 Nevertheless ye shall die like men,