The Error is Baptism in Jesus name only for salvation

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BillG

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LOL, I just plant seeds hoping EVERYONE will get reborn before there on their deathbed it's CALLED LOVE.

What do you think JESUS thinks of people who tell them they are ok, when they are not?

JESUS DON'T CHANGE HIS RULES FOR NO ONE!!!

And yes when you judge even though it's incorrect it's OK, because you did it.
Interesting that Jesus doesn't change the rules.

Is the following one of his rules?

Matthew 28:18-20
18 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.
19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen.

It seems Jesus is saying I have commanded you to make disciples and baptise in the name of the Father and of the son and of the Holy Spirit.

Why did he not command to baptize in the name of Jesus only?
 

Magenta

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HE WILL NOT CHANGE HIS RULES.
Does that mean you have put yourself under the old covenant which is passing away,
and becoming obsolete, even thought the new covenant is based on better promises?


Hebrews 8 verse 13 By speaking of a new covenant, He has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear.
 

DeanM

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LOL, I just plant seeds hoping EVERYONE will get reborn before there on their deathbed it's CALLED LOVE.

What do you think JESUS thinks of people who tell them they are ok, when they are not?

JESUS DON'T CHANGE HIS RULES FOR NO ONE!!!

And yes when you judge even though it's incorrect it's OK, because you did it.
Your planting seeds alright. Do what I say or your doomed.
 

CS1

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LOL, I just plant seeds hoping EVERYONE will get reborn before there on their deathbed it's CALLED LOVE.

What do you think JESUS thinks of people who tell them they are ok, when they are not?

JESUS DON'T CHANGE HIS RULES FOR NO ONE!!!

And yes when you judge even though it's incorrect it's OK, because you did it.

it is not love; it is arrogance. Water baptism is not "Rule. "
 

CS1

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The lack of understanding of water baptism and the idea it is a "rule." is completely unbiblical.


Jesus' discussion with Nicodemus in the Gospel of John chapter says:

3 There was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews. 2 This man came to Jesus by night and said to Him, “Rabbi, we know that You are a teacher come from God; for no one can do these signs that You do unless God is with him.”

3 Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

4 Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?”

5 Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

The word Baptism is not used in context to being born again, is it? Born of water and of the Spirit is what is Jesu saying?



9 Nicodemus answered and said to Him, “How can these things be?”


Jesus said :

10 Jesus answered and said to him, “Are you the teacher of Israel, and do not know these things? 11 Most assuredly, I say to you, We speak what We know and testify what We have seen, and you do not receive Our witness. 12 If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things? 13 No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man [b]who is in heaven. 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

Not one word of Baptism in the context of eternal life
 

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In Acts 2:38, "for the remission of sins" does not refer back to both clauses, "you all repent" and "each one of you be baptized," but refers only to the first. Peter is saying "repent unto the remission of your sins," the same as in Acts 3:19. The clause "each one of you be baptized" is parenthetical. This is exactly what Acts 3:19 teaches except that Peter omits the parenthesis.

*Also compare the fact that these Gentiles in Acts 10:45 received the gift of the Holy Spirit (compare with Acts 2:38 - the gift of the Holy Spirit) and this was BEFORE water baptism. (Acts 10:47)

In Acts 10:43 we read ..whoever believes in Him receives remission of sins. Again, these Gentiles received the gift of the Holy Spirit - Acts 10:45 - when they believed on the Lord Jesus Christ - Acts 11:17 - (compare with Acts 16:31 - Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved) BEFORE water baptism - Acts 10:47. This is referred to as repentance unto life - Acts 11:18.

*So, the only logical conclusion when properly harmonizing scripture with scripture is that faith in Jesus Christ "implied in genuine repentance" (rather than water baptism) brings the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit (Luke 24:47; Acts 2:38; 3:19; 5:31; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 13:38-39; 15:8,9; 16:31; 26:18). *Perfect Harmony*

This is where you get into trouble here by cherry picking this verse. You only read this part because it tells you what your itching ears want to hear so then you ignore the rest. In 1 Peter 3:21, Peter tells us that baptism now saves you, yet when Peter uses this phrase, he continues in the same sentence to explain exactly what he means by it. He said that baptism now saves you-not the removal of dirt from the flesh (that is, not as an outward, physical act which washes dirt from the body--that is not what saves you), "but an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ" (that is, as an inward, spiritual transaction between God and the individual, a transaction that is symbolized by the outward ceremony of water baptism).

Just as the eight people in the ark were "saved THROUGH water" as they were IN THE ARK. They were not literally saved "by" the water. Hebrews 11:7 is clear on this point (..built an ARK for the SAVING of his household). *The context reveals that ONLY the righteous (Noah and his family) were DRY and therefore SAFE. In contrast, only the wicked in Noah's day came in contact with the water and they all perished.

So, by Peter saying, "not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience - through the resurrection of Jesus Christ," Peter guards against saving power to the physical ceremony in H20.

Water baptism is not unimportant, but it is still not the basis or means by which we obtain salvation. After seeing what God has said numerous times in scripture about salvation through belief/faith "apart from additions or modifications" (Luke 7:50; 8:12; John 1:12; 3:15,16,18,36; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26; Acts 4:4; 10:4; 10:43; 13:38-39; 15:7-9; 16:31; 26:18; Romans 1:16; 3:24-28; 4:5-6, 9: 5:1; 10:4; 1 Corinthians 1:21; 15:1-4; Galatians 2:16; 3:6 14, 26; Ephesians 2:8,9; Philippians 3:9; 2 Timothy 3:15; Hebrews 10:39; 1 John 5:4, 13 etc..) I don't understand how someone can say I also must be water baptized in order to be saved.

There are a handful of alleged proof texts that certain people use to try and prove that water baptism is absolutely required for salvation, yet after a careful examination of each of those texts in context will show that none of them prove that baptism is absolutely required for salvation, though they do prove that baptism was an assumed initiatory response to the gospel of salvation.

In other words, those texts prove only that baptism is regularly associated with conversion and salvation, rather than absolutely required for salvation. These Gentiles in Acts 10 received the gift of the Holy Spirit and were manifesting the spiritual gift of tongues from the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 12) after believing the gospel but before being water baptized. (Acts 10:44-47)

Now baptism was not considered an "optional extra" for these Gentiles; it was a command (Acts 10:48) that they were expected to obey. However, it was not obedience to this command that saved them, but their believing in Christ for salvation. (Acts 10:43)

Numerous false religions and cults that promote salvation by works (including Roman Catholicism and Mormonism) teach that water baptism is absolutely necessary for salvation, which says it all for me.
11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance. but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire. Matthew 3:11
 
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11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance. but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire. Matthew 3:11
In Matthew 3:11, we read: I baptize you with water FOR repentance.. (NASB) If translated "in order to obtain" the verse does not make sense. I baptize you with water FOR (in order to obtain) repentance? or I baptize you with water FOR (in regards to/on the basis of) repentance? Obviously, the latter.
 
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Interesting that Jesus doesn't change the rules.

Is the following one of his rules?

Matthew 28:18-20
18 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.
19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen.

It seems Jesus is saying I have commanded you to make disciples and baptise in the name of the Father and of the son and of the Holy Spirit.

Why did he not command to baptize in the name of Jesus only?
Do you think GODS DOES CHANGE HIS RULES?????

DID HIS DISCIPLE DISOBEY HIM?

They KNEW who he was and we should also.
 
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Does that mean you have put yourself under the old covenant which is passing away,
and becoming obsolete, even thought the new covenant is based on better promises?


Hebrews 8 verse 13 By speaking of a new covenant, He has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear.
Matthew 5:17-20

King James Version



17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
 

Magenta

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Matthew 5:17-20K KingJames Version

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Is that a yes?
 

BillG

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Do you think GODS DOES CHANGE HIS RULES?????

DID HIS DISCIPLE DISOBEY HIM?

They KNEW who he was and we should also.
Just answer my questions.
Why did they not baptise per Matthew?
 

BillG

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Do you think GODS DOES CHANGE HIS RULES?????

DID HIS DISCIPLE DISOBEY HIM?

They KNEW who he was and we should also.
Seems to me they did based on your theology.
In Mathew how did Jesus tell them to baptise?
 
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Just answer my questions.
Why did they not baptise per Matthew?
it's EASY, they KNEW WHO THE FATHER THE SON AND THE HOLY GHOST IS.

Look it say IN THE NAME OF!! What is the NAME of the Father the son and the Holy Ghost????

Hint how did they baptize?
 

CS1

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What is water baptism for? Be great if you shared scripture.

Actually, friend, many of us have said what we believe is from the word of God. An act of obedience done publicly to draw attention to the born-again believer who has Followed Christ in water Baptism.

Paul said in Romans chapter 6:1-11 NLT

6 Well then, should we keep on sinning so that God can show us more and more of his wonderful grace?
2 Of course not! Since we have died to sin, how can we continue to live in it?


3 Or have you forgotten that when we were joined with Christ Jesus in baptism, we joined him in his death?

4 For we died and were buried with Christ by baptism.


And just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glorious power of the Father, now we also may live new lives.

5 Since we have been united with him in his death, we will also be raised to life as he was.


6 We know that our old sinful selves were crucified with Christ so that sin might lose its power in our lives. We are no longer slaves to sin. 7 For when we died with Christ we were set free from the power of sin. 8 And since we died with Christ, we know we will also live with him. 9 We are sure of this because Christ was raised from the dead, and he will never die again. Death no longer has any power over him. 10 When he died, he died once to break the power of sin. But now that he lives, he lives for the glory of God. 11 So you also should consider yourselves to be dead to the power of sin and alive to God through Christ Jesus.

The text is grammatically written as symbolic. Water represents the grave. Baptism is symbolic of burial, coming up out of the water to represent the newness of life and the old, sinful nature dying.