The Error is Baptism in Jesus name only for salvation

[BillG]

I once had that question answered by the wansvic himself. he said no you are not saved. under a diff profile than the one I have now

its just heretical and I don't know why they continue on as though it were not

Agree

 

[BillG]

Right. It's like click your shoes together 3 times and say wansvic and you too will see the oneness smh

Ask him, see what you get.
I did and got nothing.

 

[ocean]

Agree

Just gotta do a simple search and all the wansvic oneness posts make plain the actual beliefs instead of the fudge and sludge now being presented

I've been called several variations of mean on this forum because I just don't chew on the bologna and thats fine

 

[lrs68]

No he doesn't preach to them. If Paul was concerned for their salvation, he would have preached the gospel to them. Instead, he baptized them in Jesus name and laid hands on them.

Amen, he baptized them in Jesus name.

 

[lrs68]

uh....please explain acceptable sacrifice and how many do you believe there are. you might also quote the post you are responding to avoid confusion thanks

Yeshua is the acceptable Sacrifice and it's His shed Blood.

 

[ocean]

Ask him, see what you get.
I did and got nothing.

oh I know. that's what I mean by fudge and sludge. I suppose I could go back and verify and I might but not for sure. anyway, he knows perfectly well

 

[ocean]

Yeshua is the acceptable Sacrifice and it's His shed Blood.

Yes. Jesus is the ONLY acceptable sacrifice before God and Jesus is the ONLY name through which we obtain salvation.

 

[ocean]

Yeshua is the acceptable Sacrifice and it's His shed Blood.

2 As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, 2 in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient. 3 All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our flesh[a] and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature deserving of wrath.

4 But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, 5 made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved. 6 And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, 7 in order that in the coming ages he might show the incomparable riches of his grace, expressed in his kindness to us in Christ Jesus. 8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. 10 For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.
Ephesians 2

 

[Wansvic]

Your first paragraph is false. When one believes, they are saved.
You second paragraph is true. Those who believe are progressively set free and will continue in His Word; but not to get saved, but because they are saved.
Your last paragraph is wrong because you attempted to isolate a verse out of context. Philippians 2:12 is to be viewed in relationship to 2:13. We are to work out our salvation in light of the work God is doing internally in us. This requires that we are in relationship to God already.

All detailed converstion accounts reveal belief is the first step. Afterward repentance, and obedience to water baptism in the name of Jesus brings about remittance of sins. There is a promise of receiving the Holy Ghost for those willing to believe and obey the gospel message.

Paul did pray that, man be held blameless in their spirit, soul and body. (1Thess. 5:23)

 

[Wansvic]

Well to start with, Jesus who was God, and God who said besides him there is no savior, is one name.

Just like the scripture said there. Baptize in the name,not names, of....
What is the name of...God?

Another thing, we are Saved the moment we believe. If we are not emersed in water we are still saved.

If not true,then missionaries to arud deserts is a waste of time.

Do you believe people don't have access to water for bathing?

 

[Aaron56]

To carry water baptism further:

Peter expands on the topic beginning with this question:

And who is he who will harm you if you become followers of what is good? 14 But even if you should suffer for righteousness’ sake, you are blessed. “And do not be afraid of their threats, nor be troubled.”

So, this frames what he is about to write. And note: he is writing to believers... people who already are included in Christ.

He continues...

But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts, and always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you, with meekness and fear; 16 having a good conscience, that when they defame you as evildoers, those who revile your good conduct in Christ may be ashamed.

His whole letter is about sanctification of the believer: how one in Christ is to be set apart FROM THE WORLD. Peter's intro was this:

To the pilgrims of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, 2 elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ:

So he's taking up a message to believers he knows, a message that will help them remain "saved from the corruption of the world" in their day.

So then he writes this:

"..when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water.

From what were they saved? From the flood that consumed the corruption in the world.

Peter continues:

21 There is also an antitype which now saves us—baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,

This is not "salvation to go to heaven". This is salvation from the condemnation and corruption of the world - to have a good conscience toward God. A good conscience toward the One you are worshiping is important to the worshiper. If you are a priest of the One, then a good conscience is essential.

And for final encouragement Peter writes:

22 who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, angels and authorities and powers having been made subject to Him."

..to remind the saints that the One they worship is ultimately greater than those who oppose them.

 

[Wansvic]

and thou shalt post unrelated scripture and massage it until it suits you

how about answering the questions I asked? What is on the mercy seat in heaven? water or blood?

you can fling up all the detour please go around posts you want but you are only fooling yourself

Jesus did His part and poured His blood on the mercy seat. That does not change what God has instructed every human being to do in association with Jesus' sacrifice. (Acts 2:4-41, 8:12-18, 9:17-18, 10:43-48, 19:1-7, 22:16)

 

[CS1]

Those who trust in Jesus are baptized into Him upon obedience to God's mandate of water baptism. Those who are baptized in Jesus' name are buried with Jesus and rise as a new creation in Him.

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.


The following scripture indicates believers receive remission of sin. How? Through his name. The account ends with individuals being commanded to be water baptized in the name of Jesus. Clearly, remission of sin takes place when God says it does:

Acts 10:43
To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

Correct the trust is done before they are baptized we agree therefore Salvation by Grace through faith had to happen if not why would one be water-baptized for?

 

[Wansvic]

The reality of the priestly washings of the Law is actually the blood of Christ:

13 For if the blood of bulls and goats and the ashes of a heifer, sprinkling the unclean, sanctifies for the purifying of the flesh, 14 how much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without spot to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

John confirms this in Revelation:

"So he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb"

Ceremonial washing was an outward sign. Christ's blood actually changes the person inwardly. Their standing as priest, then, is not in anything they accomplished but only in the work of Christ.

The OT foreshadows the NT realities. The point is both the High Priest and His Sons were washed, clothed, anointed with oil and finally sprinkled with the blood.

 

[CS1]

I never said water baptism excluded the necessity to believe in Jesus, and repent. The topic being addressed is whether baptism in Jesus name is necessary for salvation.

no it is not.

 

[Wansvic]

No he doesn't preach to them. If Paul was concerned for their salvation, he would have preached the gospel to them. Instead, he baptized them in Jesus name and laid hands on them.

Wrong.

"Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied."

If Paul didn't preach the gospel along with the requirements associated with Jesus' sacrifice what prompted them to submit to being water baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus? And allowing Paul to lay hands on them in order for them to receive the Holy Ghost?

 

[CS1]

Not so.

Aquila and Priscilla instructed Apollos just as Paul did those who knew only John's baptism in Acts 19:1-7. They were re-baptized in the name of Jesus.

Acts 18:25
This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in the spirit, he spake and taught diligently the things of the Lord, knowing only the baptism of John.

26 And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly.

27 And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:

28 For he mightily convinced the Jews, and that publickly, shewing by the scriptures that Jesus was Christ.

19 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,

2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.

3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.

4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.

5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

7 And all the men were about twelve.

8 And he went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God.

9 But when divers were hardened, and believed not, but spake evil of that way before the multitude, he departed from them, and separated the disciples, disputing daily in the school of one Tyrannus.

10 And this continued by the space of two years; so that all they which dwelt in Asia heard the word of the Lord Jesus, both Jews and Greeks."

The Baptism in the Holy Spirit prior to that he was speaking on Zeal.

 

[Wansvic]

They already possessed the Spirit when they believed. What they had not received was the baptism with the Spirit.
At any rate, I know you have heard the truth though you do not acknowledge it as such. Appreciate the discussion. Grace and peace.

Scripture reveals when the Holy Spirit is received into one's body. And the experience occurs one time.

 

[CS1]

Not so.

Aquila and Priscilla instructed Apollos just as Paul did those who knew only John's baptism in Acts 19:1-7. They were re-baptized in the name of Jesus.

Acts 18:25
This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in the spirit, he spake and taught diligently the things of the Lord, knowing only the baptism of John.

26 And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly.

27 And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:

28 For he mightily convinced the Jews, and that publickly, shewing by the scriptures that Jesus was Christ.

19 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,

2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.

3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.

4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.

5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

7 And all the men were about twelve.

8 And he went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God.

9 But when divers were hardened, and believed not, but spake evil of that way before the multitude, he departed from them, and separated the disciples, disputing daily in the school of one Tyrannus.

10 And this continued by the space of two years; so that all they which dwelt in Asia heard the word of the Lord Jesus, both Jews and Greeks."

When are you going to answer my qestion :

are those who are baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit saved and received a valid baptism in water Yes or no.

 

[Wansvic]

When are you going to answer my qestion :

are those who are baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit saved and received a valid baptism in water Yes or no.

You are too funny.