On the other hand, faith itself is a divine gift! Of course, in your universe that would not make faith an efficacious grace.
Understanding God’s election
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On the other hand, faith itself is a divine gift! Of course, in your universe that would not make faith an efficacious grace.
Not at all. I simply understand the dreadful estate of man before God, and his inability to reconcile himself to God. Man's condition necessitates action on God's part.
Your reference is an old covenant reference. For those under the old covenant, not choosing to follow God brought with it death. Incidentally, death was the sanction for disobedience under the covenant.
Death was given as the consequence for disobedience/sin right at the beginning. Satan came along and lied about that, and that lie, the lie at the heart of the fall of man and corruption of all creation, is being repeated to this very day as well.
Like that is even the argument.
That you resort to this tells us you have no real scriptural basis for your position.
Yes, faith is a divine gift, but it can be misused, just like other gifts.
A&E misused it by believing the Serpent rather than GW,
so it is not irresistible but only efficacious when employed to seek God/GW.
Well...for starters the phrase isn't in the bible, so there is that. So, why don't you define for us what YOU mean by "moral ability"?
So, you reduce God to a pagan magician, heh? I guess when Jesus raised Lazarus up from his tomb, he too performed a magic trick?
And yet I've shared the scripture with you that showed the genesis of faith, how understanding is opened, and Who weilds the power of the gospel. You, on the other hand, have yet to share a scripture.Like that is even the argument.
That you resort to this tells us you have no real scriptural basis for your position.
I know you believe God hates humanity other than your ilk,
but I believe that disbelieving the 7 pearls borders on blasphemy,
because it contradicts divine righteousness/justness/non-favoritism.
You cannot thwart God's intentional will to allow/permit MFW.
There is no doubt whatsoever that Adam made wrong choices contrary to his nature before the fall.FWers will tell us that all the above are just minor obstacles which their power of "freewill" can easily overcome. After all, God has given us all an ability that He doesn't even have: We can make choices contrary to our nature. Long live Man's Freewill!
And right choices after he fell.
Satan was unfallen at his creation as well. What happened? God willed that he should perish?
Oh and BTW, believers make wrong choices contrary to God's will and their "new man" nature all the time day in and day out.
Scripture and Jesus state otherwise.
Salvation is the gift received through faith meaning clearly that faith is the condition to met.
again cameron man didn’t accomplish the gospel or send it out promising salvation to anyone who believes . That’s what God did to save people
The gospel is the power of God to save anyone who believes
“For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
Romans 1:16KJV