Understanding God’s election
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Another lie. Y'all run around blathering on about how you understand my position when every post you make proves you do not.
And it just goes to show further how little you really understand what Scripture teaches.
What it teaches on what I speak of, that being the differences between the natural man and the spiritual man.
But y'all have no discernment between the two of them.
Even if you did you would rather lie and misrepresent anyone who says man's will is not free.
Because you are so in love with your false doctrine.
It is not the correct understanding because it does not state "gifted spiritual special hearing" and it denies the entire Gospel message.
I know. And they deny that spiritual revelation and discernment is even necessary. Coming to believe is reduced to making a moral decision. Well, the incurably wicked heart of the natural man who is inherently hostile to God and suppresses the truth in unrighteousness is also rendered to be not such a bad guy in their theology also, despite all that is said of him, from the beginning of the Bible to the very end, which is again largely contradicted and denied by the free will crowd. They pretend the stony ground of his wicked uncircumcised heart is good enough to produce the good fruit of faith. They must twist and deny what Scripture plainly says to hold to their false doctrines.
FWers will tell us that all the above are just minor obstacles which their power of "freewill" can easily overcome. After all, God has given us all an ability that He doesn't even have: We can make choices contrary to our nature. Long live Man's Freewill!
Your projection instead of discussion and explanation leads one to wonder whether you understand your own position.
Again, I have added statements such as this one to the website for your edification: Human nature was created good but not perfect (GN 1:31), and Jesus had a human nature that was perfected during his earthly life ( 5:8-9), which moral perfection should be every Christian’s lifelong goal (Phil. 3:12-15). Humans are born selfish but innocent babies until they attain the stage of moral accountability or conscience (normally about the stage of pre-pubescence), comparable to when Adam and Eve became aware it was wrong to eat from the forbidden tree (Gen. 2:17).
The whole reason Paul says that “all are without excuse” is because we all have what is needed to know, understand and receive the truth of God.
Calvinism gives back that excuse by suggesting we are all born unable to willing receive truth because that’s just the way God decreed it to be.
This is not from the Bible.
It’s a false tradition introduced into the church by a former agnostic in the 5th century.
(L. Flowers)
I know you are a liar who has repeatedly lied to me and about me and about what Scripture teaches pretty much since you got here. Has anything changed? I don't think so. I have never said nobody else could ever believe, or that nobody's heart could be circumcised so they could come to believe, or that nobody else could ever receive God's Word. I have repeatedly stated my truths and you lie about what I have said, what I believe, and what Scripture says as well, because you don't understand and this is proven by your misrepresentations.
What is the point of discussing with people who repeatedly lie like you do?????????????????
You say I should be acting one way while you repeatedly act another. You are a hypocrite.
Actually, Jesus like Isaiah prophesied and Paul later confirmed was the Jews were on purpose by God blinded and deafened to fulfill what Jesus came to do and to allow the Gentiles to be able to convert.
But a couple are just saying a partial truth about some people not hearing without telling the rest of the truth as to why they cannot hear.
What's intriguing about that partial truth and not saying the rest is those persons fall into the Gentile category that had those people not be deafened and blinded then the ones on this thread still wouldn't be saved.
But a couple are just saying a partial truth about some people not hearing without telling the rest of the truth as to why they cannot hear.
What's intriguing about that partial truth and not saying the rest is those persons fall into the Gentile category that had those people not be deafened and blinded then the ones on this thread still wouldn't be saved.
The editing time limit fouled up the previous reply, but I will take the opportunity to add another passage put on the website partly because of discussion on CC: This indicates that God graces every sinful soul with the ability or opportunity to understand how to be saved (Matt. 7:7, cf. 1Tim. 2:3-4, Eze. 33:11), which might be called “seeking grace” (Tit. 2:11). As Hebrews 11:6 states: “he [God] rewards those who earnestly seek him” (cf. Isa. 45:19). Seeking God is the beginning of saving faith, and not seeking God or rejecting His salvation in Christ is the essence of evil atheism or faith in I-dolatry (Rom. 3:11, 1:18-23). All humans sin, but every sinner has the opportunity to repent/have saving faith (per Rom. 1:20, 2:7, 3:21-22, 4:16 & 5:8-19).
The point of discussing with me is to learn the truth that God loves every sinner as much as He does you.
I have apologized numerous times already, but I hereby do so again for whatever bugs you about me.
And you just claimed that "the incurably wicked heart cannot receive GW", even though yours did.
Luke 7-9
New International Version
The Faith of the Centurion
When Jesus had finished saying all this to the people who were listening, he entered Capernaum. There a centurion’s servant, whom his master valued highly, was sick and about to die. The centurion heard of Jesus and sent some elders of the Jews to him, asking him to come and heal his servant. When they came to Jesus, they pleaded earnestly with him, “This man deserves to have you do this, because he loves our nation and has built our synagogue.” So Jesus went with them.
He was not far from the house when the centurion sent friends to say to him: “Lord, don’t trouble yourself, for I do not deserve to have you come under my roof. That is why I did not even consider myself worthy to come to you. But say the word, and my servant will be healed. For I myself am a man under authority, with soldiers under me. I tell this one, ‘Go,’ and he goes; and that one, ‘Come,’ and he comes. I say to my servant, ‘Do this,’ and he does it.”
When Jesus heard this, he was amazed at him, and turning to the crowd following him, he said, “I tell you, I have not found such great faith even in Israel.” Then the men who had been sent returned to the house and found the servant well.
New International Version
The Faith of the Centurion
When Jesus had finished saying all this to the people who were listening, he entered Capernaum. There a centurion’s servant, whom his master valued highly, was sick and about to die. The centurion heard of Jesus and sent some elders of the Jews to him, asking him to come and heal his servant. When they came to Jesus, they pleaded earnestly with him, “This man deserves to have you do this, because he loves our nation and has built our synagogue.” So Jesus went with them.
He was not far from the house when the centurion sent friends to say to him: “Lord, don’t trouble yourself, for I do not deserve to have you come under my roof. That is why I did not even consider myself worthy to come to you. But say the word, and my servant will be healed. For I myself am a man under authority, with soldiers under me. I tell this one, ‘Go,’ and he goes; and that one, ‘Come,’ and he comes. I say to my servant, ‘Do this,’ and he does it.”
When Jesus heard this, he was amazed at him, and turning to the crowd following him, he said, “I tell you, I have not found such great faith even in Israel.” Then the men who had been sent returned to the house and found the servant well.
No, the factual truth is all are born natural men and require having their heart circumcised. The factual
truth supported by Scripture is that Jesus came to open the eyes of the blind and unstop the ears of the
deaf. The factual truth is that this does not just apply to some who lived at the time of Jesus. Inconceivable
that people try to float such ideas. Scripture teaches that man is inherently hostile to God and refuse to
come into the light because their deeds are evil, and those spring from their incurably wicked heart which
needs to be replaced. It is pathetic that anyone says otherwise while claiming to understand Scripture.
Scripture also teaches that the world does not know God, cannot know God without a special revelation
or illumination of the Holy Spirit... but we have people denying this, also. The whole world is under the
influence of the evil one and the ecclesia are called out of the world.
1 John 5 verses 18-19 ~ We know that anyone born of God does not keep on sinning; the One who was born of God protects him, and the evil one cannot touch him. We know that we are of God, and that the whole world is under the power of the evil one.
John 18 verses 37b-38a “You say that I am a king,” Jesus answered. “For this reason I was born and have come into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone who belongs to the truth listens to My voice.” “What is truth?” Pilate asked.
Luke 24:45...then He opened their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures.
Well the Blindness and Deafness is literally mentioned by Isaiah, Jesus, and Paul so the Holy Spirit of God mentioned it 3 times in the entire Bible. Yeah, probably not important like you say
The power is in the gospel, and not the hearer. The gospel is THE POWER OF GOD...