What is your view of Ezekiel's Temple?
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Yeah, I agree. And who says that just because a temple is being built that any kind of animal sacrifice has to happen??? We Christians don't have anything of the sort in our churches now.
So I can see Jesus live at the Temple and since His sacrifice is perfect and complete, no other sacrifice needs to be done anymore!
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What is your proof that the second temple was not built to Ezekiel's specs. According to the Talmud both the Altar and Solomon's porch where to Ezekiel's specs.
What is more telling is the fact that Zadok's sons were in charge of the second temple just as Ezekiel stated four times. There is no Zadok sons living today.
What is more telling is the fact that Zadok's sons were in charge of the second temple just as Ezekiel stated four times. There is no Zadok sons living today.
You're kidding right? You do know that Solomon's temple existed and then was destroyed long before Ezekiel's vision of a "second temple" -yes? The first was built by King Solomon around 960 BCE and was destroyed by the Babylonians in 586 BCE.
That's one easy way to know that Solomon's temple was not built to Ezekiel's specs. Unless you are talking about the second temple that was built after the exile in 517 BCE and was later renovated and expanded by King Herod. The second temple was destroyed by the Romans in 70 CE. That one was modest in terms of construction and did not follow the detailed dimensions and grandeur depicted in Ezekiel's vision. The Second Temple, even during Herod's expansion, did not match the Ezekiel's specifications.
Ezekiel's temple has a larger scale and different layout than Solomon's Temple. For example, Ezekiel describes a very large temple complex with distinct features and dimensions not found in the description of Solomon's Temple. The Talmud was compiled centuries after the destruction of the Second Temple, so it doesn't offer direct insights into the specifics of Solomon's Porch as it existed at the time of Jesus.
That's one easy way to know that Solomon's temple was not built to Ezekiel's specs. Unless you are talking about the second temple that was built after the exile in 517 BCE and was later renovated and expanded by King Herod. The second temple was destroyed by the Romans in 70 CE. That one was modest in terms of construction and did not follow the detailed dimensions and grandeur depicted in Ezekiel's vision. The Second Temple, even during Herod's expansion, did not match the Ezekiel's specifications.
Ezekiel's temple has a larger scale and different layout than Solomon's Temple. For example, Ezekiel describes a very large temple complex with distinct features and dimensions not found in the description of Solomon's Temple. The Talmud was compiled centuries after the destruction of the Second Temple, so it doesn't offer direct insights into the specifics of Solomon's Porch as it existed at the time of Jesus.
Prince נָשִׂיא nâsîyʼ, naw-see'; or נָשִׂא nâsiʼ; from H5375; properly, an exalted one, i.e. a king or sheik; also a rising mist:—captain, chief, cloud, governor, prince, ruler, vapour.
Whoever is the ruler of Israel should be considered "the prince". who could enter the eastern porch and eat bread before the Lord there, I don't think the wording implies that the prince could enter the temple precincts through that porch. If the temple had been built and Jesus had come to that temple instead of the Hasmonean and Herodian temple, then as the king of Israel, Jesus would have been entitled to enter into porch of the east gate and eat bread before the Lord there.
Here's a video by some fellow who has created a model of the Ezekieline temple.
He says Ezekiel's design is too big to fit on the extant mountain. He suggests the area will be extended when the Mount of Olives splits in two. But maybe, had the Jews begun by faith to build according to Ezekiel's design, as the priests began to cross the Red Sea while the waters were still in place, perhaps God would have divided the mountain and extended the area for them, as He divided the waters of the Red Sea for the Israelites to cross over dry shod.
Ezekiel seems to be enjoining the Jews to whom he was showing the temple plans, that they should carry out construction and serve God in it.
Ez. 43:9 Now let them put away their whoredom, and the carcases of their kings, far from me, and I will dwell in the midst of them for ever.
10 Thou son of man, shew the house to the house of Israel, that they may be ashamed of their iniquities: and let them measure the pattern.
11 And if they be ashamed of all that they have done, shew them the form of the house and the fashion thereof, and the goings out thereof and the comings in thereof and all the forms thereof, and all the ordinances thereof and all the forms thereof, and all the laws thereof: and write it in their sight, that they may keep the whole form thereof and all the ordinances thereof and do them.
Whoever is the ruler of Israel should be considered "the prince". who could enter the eastern porch and eat bread before the Lord there, I don't think the wording implies that the prince could enter the temple precincts through that porch. If the temple had been built and Jesus had come to that temple instead of the Hasmonean and Herodian temple, then as the king of Israel, Jesus would have been entitled to enter into porch of the east gate and eat bread before the Lord there.
Here's a video by some fellow who has created a model of the Ezekieline temple.
He says Ezekiel's design is too big to fit on the extant mountain. He suggests the area will be extended when the Mount of Olives splits in two. But maybe, had the Jews begun by faith to build according to Ezekiel's design, as the priests began to cross the Red Sea while the waters were still in place, perhaps God would have divided the mountain and extended the area for them, as He divided the waters of the Red Sea for the Israelites to cross over dry shod.
Ezekiel seems to be enjoining the Jews to whom he was showing the temple plans, that they should carry out construction and serve God in it.
Ez. 43:9 Now let them put away their whoredom, and the carcases of their kings, far from me, and I will dwell in the midst of them for ever.
10 Thou son of man, shew the house to the house of Israel, that they may be ashamed of their iniquities: and let them measure the pattern.
11 And if they be ashamed of all that they have done, shew them the form of the house and the fashion thereof, and the goings out thereof and the comings in thereof and all the forms thereof, and all the ordinances thereof and all the forms thereof, and all the laws thereof: and write it in their sight, that they may keep the whole form thereof and all the ordinances thereof and do them.
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There is always more than one view to scripture. A flesh protect view, or God in Spirit and Truth view (John 4:23-24)
God gives, as God sees need for us each to see, when the time is right in growing up for each child of God in God by risen Son for them. Hebrews 5:12-6:8
Once anyone is born new (Again) by God in each person, the new life begins and one sees things not seen priorly, is sealed by God to see over time in one not quitting, willingly learning from every mistake made, seeing in thanksgiving and praise all sin is now by Son taken away for us to walk new and learn new in has been forgiven (Psalm 103:12) (Eph 1:13). This awareness of evil all over this world and even in our first birth too, gets people into thought over it and either do as Peter did that pulled out his sword and cut off the enemies ear (Malchus)
And Jesus stops Peter and restores Malchus's ear. Says go ahead take me, willingly
Now see it from Malchus sight at that time. as if you are seeing this happening through the Eye sight of Malchus. God willing you will.
there is a big difference between the first born flesh spirit and God's Spirit, Holy coming in us to live with us, (even though our first birth is not redeemed) God to teach us new in true Love and mercy for us all from God, by Son's done work first, all sin taken out of the way from Daddy's, Father's PaPa's view
How can anyone refuse, sin Father by Son did, what is done. I have trouble understanding that. God did for us all what no other can or could do, The Saints of the First (Old) Testament were in dependance on the Messiah coming and taking care of the problem. Not ever knowing how, just stood in trust, no matter how long it might take. Hebrews 11
We here today are looking back to that happening and they were looking forward to it to happen.
On this side of the cross is amazing to em and seeing it, even though I do not deserve to have it, God gave it, I respond in (Psalm 100:4) and (Psalm 103:12) I have sinned and sinned again after belief to this amazing truth from God given us all to see and believe as well. Then stand and stand as those fiery darts keep being sent from evil to subdue me and you and anyone else that chooses to stand in belief to its is done for them too
So stand, therefore stand, take it another blow another cut, another berating from even those in religion. Stand silently in trust and see you will not burn up as those in the King Nebuchadnezzar's fire did not burn at all, who saw four people in that fire and asked didn't we throw in three, I see. a fourth, they said for the door to be opened and let them out and they did and were burned to death and they came out untouched, not even a hair on their heads singed
Or like in the Lion's den, David not eaten.
T-ruth
R-edeemed
U-nder
T-he
H-eaven
Or even John Newton, who wrote amazing grace, who was a slave trader and stripped being one, the miraculous change people have and is in them, and only they know it between God and them personally, that to me is Love beyond measure and you too brother, thank you
God gives, as God sees need for us each to see, when the time is right in growing up for each child of God in God by risen Son for them. Hebrews 5:12-6:8
Once anyone is born new (Again) by God in each person, the new life begins and one sees things not seen priorly, is sealed by God to see over time in one not quitting, willingly learning from every mistake made, seeing in thanksgiving and praise all sin is now by Son taken away for us to walk new and learn new in has been forgiven (Psalm 103:12) (Eph 1:13). This awareness of evil all over this world and even in our first birth too, gets people into thought over it and either do as Peter did that pulled out his sword and cut off the enemies ear (Malchus)
And Jesus stops Peter and restores Malchus's ear. Says go ahead take me, willingly
Now see it from Malchus sight at that time. as if you are seeing this happening through the Eye sight of Malchus. God willing you will.
there is a big difference between the first born flesh spirit and God's Spirit, Holy coming in us to live with us, (even though our first birth is not redeemed) God to teach us new in true Love and mercy for us all from God, by Son's done work first, all sin taken out of the way from Daddy's, Father's PaPa's view
How can anyone refuse, sin Father by Son did, what is done. I have trouble understanding that. God did for us all what no other can or could do, The Saints of the First (Old) Testament were in dependance on the Messiah coming and taking care of the problem. Not ever knowing how, just stood in trust, no matter how long it might take. Hebrews 11
We here today are looking back to that happening and they were looking forward to it to happen.
On this side of the cross is amazing to em and seeing it, even though I do not deserve to have it, God gave it, I respond in (Psalm 100:4) and (Psalm 103:12) I have sinned and sinned again after belief to this amazing truth from God given us all to see and believe as well. Then stand and stand as those fiery darts keep being sent from evil to subdue me and you and anyone else that chooses to stand in belief to its is done for them too
So stand, therefore stand, take it another blow another cut, another berating from even those in religion. Stand silently in trust and see you will not burn up as those in the King Nebuchadnezzar's fire did not burn at all, who saw four people in that fire and asked didn't we throw in three, I see. a fourth, they said for the door to be opened and let them out and they did and were burned to death and they came out untouched, not even a hair on their heads singed
Or like in the Lion's den, David not eaten.
T-ruth
R-edeemed
U-nder
T-he
H-eaven
Or even John Newton, who wrote amazing grace, who was a slave trader and stripped being one, the miraculous change people have and is in them, and only they know it between God and them personally, that to me is Love beyond measure and you too brother, thank you
“God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.”
John 4:24 KJV
worship him in spirit
“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
John 6:63
And in The Truth
“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
John 8:31-32 KJV
“If ye love me, keep my commandments. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
…He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. Jesus answered and said unto him,
If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.”
John 14:15-17, 21, 23-24
“Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.”
John 18:37 KJV
We need to make the connection to the gospel the word of God or we’ll never know the truth that sets us free …..it never changes and is how we are born again
“Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently: being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever….. But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.”
1 Peter 1:22-23, 25 KJV
John 4:24 KJV
worship him in spirit
“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
John 6:63
And in The Truth
“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
John 8:31-32 KJV
“If ye love me, keep my commandments. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
…He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. Jesus answered and said unto him,
If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.”
John 14:15-17, 21, 23-24
“Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.”
John 18:37 KJV
We need to make the connection to the gospel the word of God or we’ll never know the truth that sets us free …..it never changes and is how we are born again
“Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently: being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever….. But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.”
1 Peter 1:22-23, 25 KJV
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Not kidding. Solomon's porch was to be rebuilt. The dimensions when Solomon first built it was a length of twenty cubits and a breadth of 10 cubits. When it was rebuilt, according to the Talmud, it was 20 cubits by 11 cubits, which was the same as Ezekiel's dimensions.
How do you explain the fact that the sons of Zadok were to be in charge. Ezekiel 40:46, 43:19, 44:15, and 48:11. And they actually were in charge of the second temple.
How do you explain the fact that the sons of Zadok were to be in charge. Ezekiel 40:46, 43:19, 44:15, and 48:11. And they actually were in charge of the second temple.
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If you think that the temple Ezekiel saw was in heaven, then these sons of Zadok too, are heavenly. Your original question asked for "proof" that the second temple was not built to Ezekiel's specs. I offer you scripture showing that it was not.
Now you ask for an explanation regarding the sons of Zadok being in charge of a temple that was not the temple that Ezekiel saw in spirit...? The idea that some sons of Zadok, who in turn were sons of Levi- served in Zerubbabel's second temple has no bearing whatsoever on what Ezekiel envisioned. Just because a house has a porch-- doesn't mean it is "that' house. Do you see that?
What you are doing is trying to force a square peg into a round hole in both a scriptural and historical sense. It doesn't fit.
Now you ask for an explanation regarding the sons of Zadok being in charge of a temple that was not the temple that Ezekiel saw in spirit...? The idea that some sons of Zadok, who in turn were sons of Levi- served in Zerubbabel's second temple has no bearing whatsoever on what Ezekiel envisioned. Just because a house has a porch-- doesn't mean it is "that' house. Do you see that?
What you are doing is trying to force a square peg into a round hole in both a scriptural and historical sense. It doesn't fit.