Understanding God’s election
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And I know I'm butting in here, and please excuse me for that, but if you think you speaking, or the person hearing are what save, your just wrong. Salvation is of God lest any man boast, yes you are to proclaim the gospel, and that person can only be saved by hearing that message, but it's the Spirit leading your words and the Spirit leading their understanding of what they hear. So while I think we'd all agree we are to obey, and we do proclaim His glory and point all to Jesus, but we'd never do this before being born again, we CAN'T do this before we are born again of His Spirit. I'm sorry, let me pull back a little, I can only speak for myself. I'd NEVER do any of these things if I was still of the flesh, or a slave to sin. It's Him, it's the Spirit that makes us all new, opens our eyes and ears to the things of the Spirit that we are blind to before we are saved by Him. It's not that we don't "do" anything, it's just He gets ALL the glory and credit for it. Praise Jesus awesome name.
A quick Google search says 17 times. I will look at what verses it has listed.How many usages of 'free will' in the New Testament? .
All are in the old testament that I have found so far.How many usages of 'free will' in the New Testament? .
The only one sounding foolish is YOU! Try letting your brain catch up to your fingers. You said in the part that I highlighted that "it CAN also refer...". In other words, it can also NOT be referring to the entire inhabited world or humankind.
Galatians 5:13 has parelles to free will.
John 7:17 is pretty close
Rev 3:5 sounds like it as well.
John 7:17 is pretty close
Rev 3:5 sounds like it as well.
Why would God save a physical planet that has no chance to go to Heaven?
Of course it means everything including people. That's so obvious you have to completely understand that you are outright lying to deny such a thing.
Yes, and if I'm not mistaken they all refer to free will [sacrificial] offerings. And there's a reason for that which very likely has eluded you. But feel free to prove me wrong.
What the difference between using Google to look something up or using a Greek manuscript?
What version is the Bible verses in when you click on them here? They are differnt from my king James. Just curious
Shirely U. Jest! The text has to do with Christ setting his chosen people free! Christ himself said he would set his people free (Jn 8:36)! So, where does that leave sinners who are not free, including their wills? If sinners' hearts (in which the will resides) were already free from bondage, slavery, imprionment, etc. then why would Christ have to see his elect free?
As one word, or two? Free will is not in the Bible at all. Making a choice to sleep with a woman you met at the bar is making a choice to be sure, but the context we are speaking of in the Bible discussion forum would have to do with what the Bible says on a topic. Of course fornication and adultery and rape etc are sins and wrong, but making choices is nowhere equated with having a will that is free, and especially in relation to salvation, but people talk about it as if it is when it is just something they have made up and replaced with what is actually in the Bible, such as being taken captive to the will of the devil.
