The Five Baptisms of the New Testament

[Beckworth]

The five baptisms of the New Testament are.
1) The baptism of John, Mark 1:4 It was called a baptism of “repentance” and its purpose was to get the people ready for the coming of the Messiah. Matt. 3:3.

2). The baptism of suffering, Matt. 20:23, Luke 12:50. Jesus refers to His suffering and death on the cross that He must go through and then says that His apostles will experience the same “baptism.”( of suffering and death)

3). The baptism of the Holy Spirit, Acts 2 and Acts 10. This was a miraculous outpouring of the Spirit. It only happened this way twice in the New Testament—once in Acts 2 when it was poured out on the Jews and once in Acts 10 when it was poured out on the gentiles. In both instances it was accompanied by speaking in tongues.
It seems there were 3 different ways people in The New Testament received the Holy Spirit: 1) by a miraculous outpouring, “baptism.” 2). By the laying on of the apostles hands Acts 6:6, and 8:17; and 3) when anyone is water baptized into the name of Jesus of Nazareth, for the remission of sins. Acts 2:38.

4) The baptism of fire, Matthew 3:11. Here, John the Baptist is telling the Jews that Jesus will baptize them with the Holy Spirit and with fire. We have already seen what the baptism of the Holy Spirit was. The only way to know what the baptism of fire is, is to keep this verse in the context in which it was written. It’s always best to let scripture explain scripture whenever possible. In my Bible, that word “fire” is followed by a colon—not a period, which means there is an explanation that follows. Verse 12, John describes a time when Jesus will “purge” his threading floor ( judgement); at that time He will gather his wheat ( the saved) into the garner ( heaven), and the chaff ( the lost), He will burn up with unquenchable “fire.”(hell). You don’t want the baptism of fire! I realize some think this baptism refers to the tongues of fire in Acts 2, but there is nothing anywhere in this context nor the one in Acts 2 to suggest this. Also, John is describing two baptisms in verse 11–Holy Spirit and Fire—whereas the baptism of the Holy Spirit in Acts 2 included “fire” making it just “one “ baptism not two different kinds.

5) The baptism in the name of Jesus Acts 2:38, is the last baptism. I know This is water baptism, in Acts 2 because they got the Holy Spirit as a “gift” AFTER they were water baptized into the name of Jesus. Acts 8, the Samaritans were “water” baptized in verse 12 and did not receive the Holy Spirit until verses 15-17.
Both Phillip and the eunuch went down into the “water” and he baptized him. After Cornelius and his house were baptized with the Holy Spirit, they were commanded to be baptized with “.water” baptism.

I realize Ephesians 4:4 says that there is “one” baptism. This is not a contradiction. He also says there is “one” faith. We know that actually there are “many different faiths”. He is saying there is only “one” that saves us. Of all the many different faiths in the world, there is only one saving faith. And in like manner, there is only one baptism that saves us. It is the baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, just as Peter says in Acts 2.

 

[Webers.Home]

.
Baptism is a difficult word to define because it means different things in
different situations.

For example Noah's experience in the ark and the Flood are an illustration of
how baptism saves folks unified with Christ (1Pet 3:21). The thing is, Noah
didn't get wet. In point of fact, the folks who perished in the Flood are the
ones who got wet.

In another event, the people of Israel were baptized unto Moses in the Red
Sea (1Cor 10:1-2). However, the people passed through the sea on dry
land.

And then there's the baptism of the Holy Spirit-- a very unique baptism
because it's a supernatural procedure that requires drinking instead of
bathing. (John 4:10-14, John 7:37-39, and 1Cor 12:13)

Along with those baptisms is the common Christian ritual which suffices as a
sort of rite of passage, i.e. initiation into the world-wide brotherhood of folks
unified with God's son.
_

 

[GWH]

The five baptisms of the New Testament are.
1) The baptism of John, Mark 1:4 It was called a baptism of “repentance” and its purpose was to get the people ready for the coming of the Messiah. Matt. 3:3.

2). The baptism of suffering, Matt. 20:23, Luke 12:50. Jesus refers to His suffering and death on the cross that He must go through and then says that His apostles will experience the same “baptism.”( of suffering and death)

3). The baptism of the Holy Spirit, Acts 2 and Acts 10. This was a miraculous outpouring of the Spirit. It only happened this way twice in the New Testament—once in Acts 2 when it was poured out on the Jews and once in Acts 10 when it was poured out on the gentiles. In both instances it was accompanied by speaking in tongues.
It seems there were 3 different ways people in The New Testament received the Holy Spirit: 1) by a miraculous outpouring, “baptism.” 2). By the laying on of the apostles hands Acts 6:6, and 8:17; and 3) when anyone is water baptized into the name of Jesus of Nazareth, for the remission of sins. Acts 2:38.

4) The baptism of fire, Matthew 3:11. Here, John the Baptist is telling the Jews that Jesus will baptize them with the Holy Spirit and with fire. We have already seen what the baptism of the Holy Spirit was. The only way to know what the baptism of fire is, is to keep this verse in the context in which it was written. It’s always best to let scripture explain scripture whenever possible. In my Bible, that word “fire” is followed by a colon—not a period, which means there is an explanation that follows. Verse 12, John describes a time when Jesus will “purge” his threading floor ( judgement); at that time He will gather his wheat ( the saved) into the garner ( heaven), and the chaff ( the lost), He will burn up with unquenchable “fire.”(hell). You don’t want the baptism of fire! I realize some think this baptism refers to the tongues of fire in Acts 2, but there is nothing anywhere in this context nor the one in Acts 2 to suggest this. Also, John is describing two baptisms in verse 11–Holy Spirit and Fire—whereas the baptism of the Holy Spirit in Acts 2 included “fire” making it just “one “ baptism not two different kinds.

5) The baptism in the name of Jesus Acts 2:38, is the last baptism. I know This is water baptism, in Acts 2 because they got the Holy Spirit as a “gift” AFTER they were water baptized into the name of Jesus. Acts 8, the Samaritans were “water” baptized in verse 12 and did not receive the Holy Spirit until verses 15-17.
Both Phillip and the eunuch went down into the “water” and he baptized him. After Cornelius and his house were baptized with the Holy Spirit, they were commanded to be baptized with “.water” baptism.

I realize Ephesians 4:4 says that there is “one” baptism. This is not a contradiction. He also says there is “one” faith. We know that actually there are “many different faiths”. He is saying there is only “one” that saves us. Of all the many different faiths in the world, there is only one saving faith. And in like manner, there is only one baptism that saves us. It is the baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, just as Peter says in Acts 2.

I commend you for distinguishing the various uses of the term "baptism",
and I am somewhat surprised that you are objective enough to cite Eph. 4:4,
however, you overlooked 1Cor. 12:30, and these two clearly indicates that the
"baptism that saves us" is Spirit baptism, which occurs at the moment of repentance/conversion,
and is signified by the rite of water baptism, whenever that is performed.
It is a problematic hermeneutic to give historical passages precedence
over didactic/doctrinal Scriptures in deciding what is normative.

 

[homwardbound]

The five baptisms of the New Testament are.
1) The baptism of John, Mark 1:4 It was called a baptism of “repentance” and its purpose was to get the people ready for the coming of the Messiah. Matt. 3:3.

2). The baptism of suffering, Matt. 20:23, Luke 12:50. Jesus refers to His suffering and death on the cross that He must go through and then says that His apostles will experience the same “baptism.”( of suffering and death)

3). The baptism of the Holy Spirit, Acts 2 and Acts 10. This was a miraculous outpouring of the Spirit. It only happened this way twice in the New Testament—once in Acts 2 when it was poured out on the Jews and once in Acts 10 when it was poured out on the gentiles. In both instances it was accompanied by speaking in tongues.
It seems there were 3 different ways people in The New Testament received the Holy Spirit: 1) by a miraculous outpouring, “baptism.” 2). By the laying on of the apostles hands Acts 6:6, and 8:17; and 3) when anyone is water baptized into the name of Jesus of Nazareth, for the remission of sins. Acts 2:38.

4) The baptism of fire, Matthew 3:11. Here, John the Baptist is telling the Jews that Jesus will baptize them with the Holy Spirit and with fire. We have already seen what the baptism of the Holy Spirit was. The only way to know what the baptism of fire is, is to keep this verse in the context in which it was written. It’s always best to let scripture explain scripture whenever possible. In my Bible, that word “fire” is followed by a colon—not a period, which means there is an explanation that follows. Verse 12, John describes a time when Jesus will “purge” his threading floor ( judgement); at that time He will gather his wheat ( the saved) into the garner ( heaven), and the chaff ( the lost), He will burn up with unquenchable “fire.”(hell). You don’t want the baptism of fire! I realize some think this baptism refers to the tongues of fire in Acts 2, but there is nothing anywhere in this context nor the one in Acts 2 to suggest this. Also, John is describing two baptisms in verse 11–Holy Spirit and Fire—whereas the baptism of the Holy Spirit in Acts 2 included “fire” making it just “one “ baptism not two different kinds.

5) The baptism in the name of Jesus Acts 2:38, is the last baptism. I know This is water baptism, in Acts 2 because they got the Holy Spirit as a “gift” AFTER they were water baptized into the name of Jesus. Acts 8, the Samaritans were “water” baptized in verse 12 and did not receive the Holy Spirit until verses 15-17.
Both Phillip and the eunuch went down into the “water” and he baptized him. After Cornelius and his house were baptized with the Holy Spirit, they were commanded to be baptized with “.water” baptism.

I realize Ephesians 4:4 says that there is “one” baptism. This is not a contradiction. He also says there is “one” faith. We know that actually there are “many different faiths”. He is saying there is only “one” that saves us. Of all the many different faiths in the world, there is only one saving faith. And in like manner, there is only one baptism that saves us. It is the baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, just as Peter says in Acts 2.

I see water Baptism as a good conscience between God and the person doing it, having no other reason to do it, thanks
As water led to Spirit Baptism of in risen Son given us from Daddy, PaPa, Father
that is the real Baptism now in place, it is done in Son for us to become new in God's spirit and Truth
Self works do not save, if does or ever did then

Authorized (King James) Version

Hebrews 7:11-12

11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? 12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

What change is of the Law? Is it not the Love of God? to all given them to not have to do or else attitudes anymore?
God and each of his know, at least learning so as we each grow up under the self, to see new in Father's Spirit and Truth John 4:23-24

 

[Beckworth]

I commend you for distinguishing the various uses of the term "baptism",
and I am somewhat surprised that you are objective enough to cite Eph. 4:4,
however, you overlooked 1Cor. 12:30, and these two clearly indicates that the
"baptism that saves us" is Spirit baptism, which occurs at the moment of repentance/conversion,
and is signified by the rite of water baptism, whenever that is performed.
It is a problematic hermeneutic to give historical passages precedence
over didactic/doctrinal Scriptures in deciding what is normative.

Just a little confused about what you meant by 1 Cor. 12:30. It’s talking about gifts of healing and speaking in tongues. If there is a point there about baptism, I am missing it .

I know we disagree about which baptism saves us—water baptism or Spirit baptism. In Isaiah, God says “Let us reason together.” So let’s see if we can “reason together” about this. This is why I believe that water baptism is the baptism that saves us and is the “one” baptism in Ephesians 4:4.
1) Holy Spirit baptism was performed by God, not man. In the only two times in the New Testament where it happened—Acts 2 and Acts 10, it was NOT being sought by men. They were not asking for Spirit baptism, they were not praying for it, they were not even expecting it .God poured it out on them in a miraculous manner, unexpectantly! But in the Great commission, Jesus tells His disciples that THEY were to go out into all the world and baptize believers. Not The apostles nor any other man had the power to miraculously baptize anyone. This baptism that Christ commands in Matthew 28:18-19 can’t be Holy Spirit baptism because men cannot just go out and miraculously pour out the Holy Spirit on people. This is water baptism that men can administer to believers.

2) Nowhere in the New Testament does it ever say or indicate that Holy Spirit baptism “saved” people. It was not given for salvation. It was a “sign” that validated the apostles in Acts 2, so that the Jews would know that the apostles were from God and their message was from God. What better way to prove to unbelievers that you are speaking the truth than to witness a miraculous out pouring of the Holy Spirit? It was also used as a “sign” in Acts 10. It was to convince the Jews that God had granted salvation to the gentiles.
Notice chapter 11:15-18; when Peter told the Jews how the Holy Spirit fell on Cornelius (gentiles), those Jews said, “Then God has granted to the Gentiles repentance unto life.” They were convinced because of the Holy Spirit baptism that the Gentiles received. I doubt they would have believed it otherwise. This is the same Peter that told 3000 Jews to “…be baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of sins” in Acts 2. This same man COMMANDS Cornelius and all of his house to be baptized in 10:48. Notice, he again says in the name of the Lord.” Peter is not preaching a different baptism here in Acts 10 from the one he preached in Acts 2. This baptism in Acts 10 that he COMMANDS is for the remission of their sins—just like it was for the Jews in Acts 2. Logic tells you that you are not saved until you have forgiveness of your sins—so Cornelius could not have been saved by Holy Spirit baptism because he still must be water baptized to remove his sins.

The Bible does not contradict itself. It doesn’t teach water baptism for the remission of sins in Acrs 2 and then just a few chapters later teach Holy Spitit baptism for the remission of sins. I know the baptism in Acts 2 that Peter commanded was “water” baptism because they were not to receive the Holy Spirit until AFTER they were baptized.in water. If this was Holy Spirit baptism that Peter was teaching in verse 38, then you would have people being baptized with the Holy Spirit in order to get the the Holy Spirit which makes no sense at all.

Acts 2:22, Peter says that JESUS proved that He was the Son of God by the “miracles, wonders and signs” that He performed when He was with them. These things were used as proof that Jesus was truly from God and not a false prophet.

Hebrews 2:3-4, the writer says that the APOSTLES used “signs, and wonders and miracles and gifts of the Holy Ghost” to CONFIRM their preaching. It was used to validate their message was from God.

In Acts 6, the apostles chose 7 men and laying their hands on them they imparted the gift of the Holy Ghost to them so that they could do miracles, heal, and perform other gifts of the Spirit.. Two of these men, Stephen in chapter 7:8 did great wonders and miracles among the people; and Phillip in chapter 8:6-7 performed miracles also, casting out unclean spirits and healing people. It says that the people gave heed to the things that Phillip SPOKE because of the miracles that he did. They were used to CONFIRM the words that they preached.
2 Cor. 12:12 says that these performing “signs, wonders and mighty deeds were the SIGNS of an apostle.

Not everyone in the New Tesrament could perform miraculous gifts of the Holy Spirit. And no one is said to have received a miraculous baptism except those apostles in Acts 2 and those in Cornelius’s house in Acts 10. Holy Spirit baptism was not for everyone; only the select few that God chose to receive it and for the purpose he used. That’s why I know Holy Spirit baptism is not the baptism Jesus commanded in Matthew 28:19; nor is it the “one” baptism used to remove our sins in Ephesians 4:4.

 

[Beckworth]

.
Baptism is a difficult word to define because it means different things in
different situations.

For example Noah's experience in the ark and the Flood are an illustration of
how baptism saves folks unified with Christ (1Pet 3:21). The thing is, Noah
didn't get wet. In point of fact, the folks who perished in the Flood are the
ones who got wet.

In another event, the people of Israel were baptized unto Moses in the Red
Sea (1Cor 10:1-2). However, the people passed through the sea on dry
land.

And then there's the baptism of the Holy Spirit-- a very unique baptism
because it's a supernatural procedure that requires drinking instead of
bathing. (John 4:10-14, John 7:37-39, and 1Cor 12:13)

Along with those baptisms is the common Christian ritual which suffices as a
sort of rite of passage, i.e. initiation into the world-wide brotherhood of folks
unified with God's son.
_

As I understand it, there is no English word for the Greek word “baptize.” ‘It simply means to “dip, plunge or immerse,” So in 1 Cor. 10, the picture is of the Israelites being “immersed” by the cloud and the sea; buried so to speak by the cloud and the sea. And yes, Noah did not get wet but the point of that illustration is that water was the agent used to save Noah just like water is the agent used to save us in baptism. I don’t think it’s about getting “wet”. Or staying dry. Baptism always means “immerse”; even though men have added more meanings to it than what was in the original—like sprinkle, so as to accommodate their doctrine of “sprinkling” instead of a “burial” Romans 6:4.

 

[GWH]

Just a little confused about what you meant by 1 Cor. 12:30. It’s talking about gifts of healing and speaking in tongues. If there is a point there about baptism, I am missing it .

I know we disagree about which baptism saves us—water baptism or Spirit baptism. In Isaiah, God says “Let us reason together.” So let’s see if we can “reason together” about this. This is why I believe that water baptism is the baptism that saves us and is the “one” baptism in Ephesians 4:4.
1) Holy Spirit baptism was performed by God, not man. In the only two times in the New Testament where it happened—Acts 2 and Acts 10, it was NOT being sought by men. They were not asking for Spirit baptism, they were not praying for it, they were not even expecting it .God poured it out on them in a miraculous manner, unexpectantly! But in the Great commission, Jesus tells His disciples that THEY were to go out into all the world and baptize believers. Not The apostles nor any other man had the power to miraculously baptize anyone. This baptism that Christ commands in Matthew 28:18-19 can’t be Holy Spirit baptism because men cannot just go out and miraculously pour out the Holy Spirit on people. This is water baptism that men can administer to believers.

2) Nowhere in the New Testament does it ever say or indicate that Holy Spirit baptism “saved” people. It was not given for salvation. It was a “sign” that validated the apostles in Acts 2, so that the Jews would know that the apostles were from God and their message was from God. What better way to prove to unbelievers that you are speaking the truth than to witness a miraculous out pouring of the Holy Spirit? It was also used as a “sign” in Acts 10. It was to convince the Jews that God had granted salvation to the gentiles.
Notice chapter 11:15-18; when Peter told the Jews how the Holy Spirit fell on Cornelius (gentiles), those Jews said, “Then God has granted to the Gentiles repentance unto life.” They were convinced because of the Holy Spirit baptism that the Gentiles received. I doubt they would have believed it otherwise. This is the same Peter that told 3000 Jews to “…be baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of sins” in Acts 2. This same man COMMANDS Cornelius and all of his house to be baptized in 10:48. Notice, he again says in the name of the Lord.” Peter is not preaching a different baptism here in Acts 10 from the one he preached in Acts 2. This baptism in Acts 10 that he COMMANDS is for the remission of their sins—just like it was for the Jews in Acts 2. Logic tells you that you are not saved until you have forgiveness of your sins—so Cornelius could not have been saved by Holy Spirit baptism because he still must be water baptized to remove his sins.

The Bible does not contradict itself. It doesn’t teach water baptism for the remission of sins in Acrs 2 and then just a few chapters later teach Holy Spitit baptism for the remission of sins. I know the baptism in Acts 2 that Peter commanded was “water” baptism because they were not to receive the Holy Spirit until AFTER they were baptized.in water. If this was Holy Spirit baptism that Peter was teaching in verse 38, then you would have people being baptized with the Holy Spirit in order to get the the Holy Spirit which makes no sense at all.

Acts 2:22, Peter says that JESUS proved that He was the Son of God by the “miracles, wonders and signs” that He performed when He was with them. These things were used as proof that Jesus was truly from God and not a false prophet.

Hebrews 2:3-4, the writer says that the APOSTLES used “signs, and wonders and miracles and gifts of the Holy Ghost” to CONFIRM their preaching. It was used to validate their message was from God.

In Acts 6, the apostles chose 7 men and laying their hands on them they imparted the gift of the Holy Ghost to them so that they could do miracles, heal, and perform other gifts of the Spirit.. Two of these men, Stephen in chapter 7:8 did great wonders and miracles among the people; and Phillip in chapter 8:6-7 performed miracles also, casting out unclean spirits and healing people. It says that the people gave heed to the things that Phillip SPOKE because of the miracles that he did. They were used to CONFIRM the words that they preached.
2 Cor. 12:12 says that these performing “signs, wonders and mighty deeds were the SIGNS of an apostle.

Not everyone in the New Tesrament could perform miraculous gifts of the Holy Spirit. And no one is said to have received a miraculous baptism except those apostles in Acts 2 and those in Cornelius’s house in Acts 10. Holy Spirit baptism was not for everyone; only the select few that God chose to receive it and for the purpose he used. That’s why I know Holy Spirit baptism is not the baptism Jesus commanded in Matthew 28:19; nor is it the “one” baptism used to remove our sins in Ephesians 4:4.

Oh sorry, typo because of using my phone, 1Cor. 12:13. Baptism into the body or Christ = salvation.

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

Precious friends, although the Scriptures Have 13 Bible baptisms, Clearly:

Under GRACE Today, It Is "God's [ not man's ] OPERATION To Be

Baptized { with ONE Baptism! } Into Christ":​

1) Today, There Is Only ONE [ Spiritual ] Baptism (Ephesians 4:5)

2) It Is The OPERATION Of God (Colossians 2:12) (#3 of: 18-point study)

a) Into His Death (Romans 6:3)​

b) Buried, and Risen With Him (Colossians 2:12)​

3) By God, The Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 12:13)

Conclusion: As "works" would Cancel GRACE (Romans 11:6), it
Can Not be water of yesterday's law (#'s 4, 9, & 10 here). Amen?

GRACE, Peace, Mercy, and Love,...

 

[homwardbound]

Just a little confused about what you meant by 1 Cor. 12:30. It’s talking about gifts of healing and speaking in tongues. If there is a point there about baptism, I am missing it .

I know we disagree about which baptism saves us—water baptism or Spirit baptism. In Isaiah, God says “Let us reason together.” So let’s see if we can “reason together” about this. This is why I believe that water baptism is the baptism that saves us and is the “one” baptism in Ephesians 4:4.
1) Holy Spirit baptism was performed by God, not man. In the only two times in the New Testament where it happened—Acts 2 and Acts 10, it was NOT being sought by men. They were not asking for Spirit baptism, they were not praying for it, they were not even expecting it .God poured it out on them in a miraculous manner, unexpectantly! But in the Great commission, Jesus tells His disciples that THEY were to go out into all the world and baptize believers. Not The apostles nor any other man had the power to miraculously baptize anyone. This baptism that Christ commands in Matthew 28:18-19 can’t be Holy Spirit baptism because men cannot just go out and miraculously pour out the Holy Spirit on people. This is water baptism that men can administer to believers.

2) Nowhere in the New Testament does it ever say or indicate that Holy Spirit baptism “saved” people. It was not given for salvation. It was a “sign” that validated the apostles in Acts 2, so that the Jews would know that the apostles were from God and their message was from God. What better way to prove to unbelievers that you are speaking the truth than to witness a miraculous out pouring of the Holy Spirit? It was also used as a “sign” in Acts 10. It was to convince the Jews that God had granted salvation to the gentiles.
Notice chapter 11:15-18; when Peter told the Jews how the Holy Spirit fell on Cornelius (gentiles), those Jews said, “Then God has granted to the Gentiles repentance unto life.” They were convinced because of the Holy Spirit baptism that the Gentiles received. I doubt they would have believed it otherwise. This is the same Peter that told 3000 Jews to “…be baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of sins” in Acts 2. This same man COMMANDS Cornelius and all of his house to be baptized in 10:48. Notice, he again says in the name of the Lord.” Peter is not preaching a different baptism here in Acts 10 from the one he preached in Acts 2. This baptism in Acts 10 that he COMMANDS is for the remission of their sins—just like it was for the Jews in Acts 2. Logic tells you that you are not saved until you have forgiveness of your sins—so Cornelius could not have been saved by Holy Spirit baptism because he still must be water baptized to remove his sins.

The Bible does not contradict itself. It doesn’t teach water baptism for the remission of sins in Acrs 2 and then just a few chapters later teach Holy Spitit baptism for the remission of sins. I know the baptism in Acts 2 that Peter commanded was “water” baptism because they were not to receive the Holy Spirit until AFTER they were baptized.in water. If this was Holy Spirit baptism that Peter was teaching in verse 38, then you would have people being baptized with the Holy Spirit in order to get the the Holy Spirit which makes no sense at all.

Acts 2:22, Peter says that JESUS proved that He was the Son of God by the “miracles, wonders and signs” that He performed when He was with them. These things were used as proof that Jesus was truly from God and not a false prophet.

Hebrews 2:3-4, the writer says that the APOSTLES used “signs, and wonders and miracles and gifts of the Holy Ghost” to CONFIRM their preaching. It was used to validate their message was from God.

In Acts 6, the apostles chose 7 men and laying their hands on them they imparted the gift of the Holy Ghost to them so that they could do miracles, heal, and perform other gifts of the Spirit.. Two of these men, Stephen in chapter 7:8 did great wonders and miracles among the people; and Phillip in chapter 8:6-7 performed miracles also, casting out unclean spirits and healing people. It says that the people gave heed to the things that Phillip SPOKE because of the miracles that he did. They were used to CONFIRM the words that they preached.
2 Cor. 12:12 says that these performing “signs, wonders and mighty deeds were the SIGNS of an apostle.

Not everyone in the New Tesrament could perform miraculous gifts of the Holy Spirit. And no one is said to have received a miraculous baptism except those apostles in Acts 2 and those in Cornelius’s house in Acts 10. Holy Spirit baptism was not for everyone; only the select few that God chose to receive it and for the purpose he used. That’s why I know Holy Spirit baptism is not the baptism Jesus commanded in Matthew 28:19; nor is it the “one” baptism used to remove our sins in Ephesians 4:4.

Wow, really, okay you be you I be me thank you

One Lord (Yet two) yet One, One Faith (In who or what) One Baptism, John's repentance, or risen Son Holy Spirit!
That John said was coming, and did not want to Baptize Jesus, and yet did Baptize Jesus
Yet John, said to Jesus He (John) needed to be Baptized by Jesus, yet the Law in full by Jesus had to get filled perfectly first, as Jesus said to John all had to be done right first.
Which apparently, You are not seeing this truth, in where we are at today to believe in the risen Son Jesus, not the dead one. the death one time only, was for reconciliation for all to all people ( Water Baptism of repentance), not just for the first Chosen, proven as you said in the Cornelius's house of Gentiles back then. The Holy Ghost fell on them before any water Baptism. Even though they decided to get water Baptized after being given salvation does exclude water Baptism as a necessity. Now a choice over being a Law. We choose to as a good conscience to God, not for taking away sin.
You are giving Peter more power than God, (Peter commands) The Peter that denied God three times, the Peter that refused to eat anything unclean in his dreams that he got three times. God said call nothing unclean that God has cleaned
They got saved without any water Baptism. If they had not Got water Baptized afterwords, would that gift God gave be removed, because they did not do what you are saying has to get done? I hear from God I love you all, I sent Son to take the place of all flesh that deserves death, to give new life to all in my risen Son, those that believe me to love all in mercy and truth given you. I say Thank you, now in response to God and love all as God imputes the Love of 1 Corinthians 13:4-7. No more doing 1 Corinthians 13:1-3 seeing now new in love to all as God is period to all. Over having to do to be in, standing in belief between God and self personally, no having to go to earth Church, be led by any other than God Father and Son as Won once for all. To now get given new life from belief to this truth Son is risen where new life in the Holy Spirit is given by God not anyone else, to me at least.
To me you do not see the truth of the entire salvation of God given us all to stand in thankfulness, so sorry, God Loves us all y'all and will put nothing on anyone more than anyone can handle, yet people do that and I see you doing that, Please stop it, if not, matters not you are in God's hands not mine or others, I am stating what is needed to state and not condemning you. Take care of your own board in your own eye, before reaching out to take specks out of others sight please. God simply loves us all, otherwise Son would have not ever gone to that cross to begin with, you think? You decide I am standing in trust to God alone in risen Son. Thank you
What you are saying, might be truth to you, yet only Father knows and will teach you and everyone else truth, once you become willing for God to work truth through you. I do hope so, for your sake, yet it does not seem as so yet, from what I am hearing from you in your posts

What you have said and continue to say is!
One, anyone that believes God must get water Baptized, or you not saved. So, Cornelius's house was not saved even though they spoke in tongues as proof to Peter, they are saved by God. Yet there was and is more to do to be in belief to God or you not in with God who does not lie or use anyone for any self gain. God just loves you and all people 1John 2:1-2 yet read through it all please thank you
Do you see you can't hate anyone in you yet, do you hate anyone? The born again by God see this in them and are perplexed over it, these can't and might have and do not now, and there are those in process still. I assuredly am, I can't hate, I have tried and can't and can't explain this but by God Father and Son that won for us all to be new in his risen Life for us all
Trusting God to reveal the whole truth in his love for all
Wow, thank you woe is me, as in Isaiah 6:1-7

 

[Beckworth]

Oh sorry, typo because of using my phone, 1Cor. 12:13. Baptism into the body or Christ = salvation.

I think we are in agreement on 1 Cor. 12:13. Not sure, though. Maybe we differ on some of the finer points. Like Acts 2:47 that says “The Lord added to the church those who were being saved.” So God adds people who are saved to His church. Galatians 3:27 says when we are baptized into Christ, we put on Christ. So, it seems like we are baptized into Christ (into His body) and then Christ adds us to his church. I’m not sure how it all works but I think we are saying the same thing. 😄

 

[GWH]

I think we are in agreement on 1 Cor. 12:13. Not sure, though. Maybe we differ on some of the finer points. Like Acts 2:47 that says “The Lord added to the church those who were being saved.” So God adds people who are saved to His church. Galatians 3:27 says when we are baptized into Christ, we put on Christ. So, it seems like we are baptized into Christ (into His body) and then Christ adds us to his church. I’m not sure how it all works but I think we are saying the same thing. 😄

Well, we are added to the body of Christ as/when the HS baptizes us,
and we become members of a local church when we are water baptized. (Col. 1:18)
I am happy if you are.

 

[Beckworth]

Well, we are added to the body of Christ as/when the HS baptizes us,
and we become members of a local church when we are water baptized. (Col. 1:18)
I am happy if you are.

Oops! I guess I spoke too soon. You know I can’t agree with salvation by Holy Spirit baptism. And those 3000 Jews on the day of Pentecost were from “all nations under heaven, verse 5. So, I don’t think they were baptized into a local congregation. Jesus said He added them to His church ( universal). I’ve already explained why the baptism in verse 38 could not have been Holy Spirit baptism and since the text does not indicate that anyone was baptized with the Holy Spirit but the apostles who spoke in tongues, I really can’t understand how you think 3000 Jews were baptized with the Holy Spirit. That is a stretch and has no foundation in this passage. We may have to agree to disagree.

 

[Beckworth]

Wow, really, okay you be you I be me thank you

One Lord (Yet two) yet One, One Faith (In who or what) One Baptism, John's repentance, or risen Son Holy Spirit!
That John said was coming, and did not want to Baptize Jesus, and yet did Baptize Jesus
Yet John, said to Jesus He (John) needed to be Baptized by Jesus, yet the Law in full by Jesus had to get filled perfectly first, as Jesus said to John all had to be done right first.
Which apparently, You are not seeing this truth, in where we are at today to believe in the risen Son Jesus, not the dead one. the death one time only, was for reconciliation for all to all people ( Water Baptism of repentance), not just for the first Chosen, proven as you said in the Cornelius's house of Gentiles back then. The Holy Ghost fell on them before any water Baptism. Even though they decided to get water Baptized after being given salvation does exclude water Baptism as a necessity. Now a choice over being a Law. We choose to as a good conscience to God, not for taking away sin.
You are giving Peter more power than God, (Peter commands) The Peter that denied God three times, the Peter that refused to eat anything unclean in his dreams that he got three times. God said call nothing unclean that God has cleaned
They got saved without any water Baptism. If they had not Got water Baptized afterwords, would that gift God gave be removed, because they did not do what you are saying has to get done? I hear from God I love you all, I sent Son to take the place of all flesh that deserves death, to give new life to all in my risen Son, those that believe me to love all in mercy and truth given you. I say Thank you, now in response to God and love all as God imputes the Love of 1 Corinthians 13:4-7. No more doing 1 Corinthians 13:1-3 seeing now new in love to all as God is period to all. Over having to do to be in, standing in belief between God and self personally, no having to go to earth Church, be led by any other than God Father and Son as Won once for all. To now get given new life from belief to this truth Son is risen where new life in the Holy Spirit is given by God not anyone else, to me at least.
To me you do not see the truth of the entire salvation of God given us all to stand in thankfulness, so sorry, God Loves us all y'all and will put nothing on anyone more than anyone can handle, yet people do that and I see you doing that, Please stop it, if not, matters not you are in God's hands not mine or others, I am stating what is needed to state and not condemning you. Take care of your own board in your own eye, before reaching out to take specks out of others sight please. God simply loves us all, otherwise Son would have not ever gone to that cross to begin with, you think? You decide I am standing in trust to God alone in risen Son. Thank you
What you are saying, might be truth to you, yet only Father knows and will teach you and everyone else truth, once you become willing for God to work truth through you. I do hope so, for your sake, yet it does not seem as so yet, from what I am hearing from you in your posts

What you have said and continue to say is!
One, anyone that believes God must get water Baptized, or you not saved. So, Cornelius's house was not saved even though they spoke in tongues as proof to Peter, they are saved by God. Yet there was and is more to do to be in belief to God or you not in with God who does not lie or use anyone for any self gain. God just loves you and all people 1John 2:1-2 yet read through it all please thank you
Do you see you can't hate anyone in you yet, do you hate anyone? The born again by God see this in them and are perplexed over it, these can't and might have and do not now, and there are those in process still. I assuredly am, I can't hate, I have tried and can't and can't explain this but by God Father and Son that won for us all to be new in his risen Life for us all
Trusting God to reveal the whole truth in his love for all
Wow, thank you woe is me, as in Isaiah 6:1-7

Just commenting on the first 2 sentences in the last paragraph. Yes, the reason I believe that believers must be water baptized to be saved is because JESUS says that it takes faith AND baptism to be saved in Mark 16:16. Doesn’t that mean that “believers must be water baptized to be saved”? Do you not believe what Jesus said?? Are you calling the Son of God a liar?? He is the one who said baptism is required for salvation—not me.

I also believe that believers must be baptized to be saved because Peter said that baptism is for the REMISSION OF SINS in Acts 2:38 and he also verified that BAPTISM SAVES Us in 1 Peter 3:21. But I guess you think Peter is a liar, too; because I do not think you believe what he says anymore than you believe what Jesus says.

Another reason That I believe that believers must be baptized to be saved is because The apostle Paul said it “WASHES AWAY YOUR SINS” in Acts 22:16. You probably do not believe the apostle Paul, either, do you? Here we have in the inspired word of God, Peter the great apostle to the JEWS and Paul, the great apostle to the gentiles and the SON OF GOD ALL teaching that one must be baptized to have their sins remitted, and washed away and in order to have salvation , but you don’t believe them. Yet you have said that God does not lie. Either you are lying or God is lying in His word because y’all are definitely NOT saying the same thing. You choose.

The other thing you said is that Cornelius and his house spoke in tongues as “proof”. That God had saved them. That is not at all in the scriptures and especially in this scripture. I don’t know where you got that but read the story again carefully. Where does it say or even hint that they spoke in tongues as proof that they were saved?? I know that is what man teaches and I know that is what men believe but where is the evidence in God’s word that says that? The Holy Spirit baptism and the tongues were a “sign” to the Jews that God was granting salvation to the gentiles as well as to the Jews. This is “proven” in chapter 11:18. When the other Jews heard that Peter had gone into a gentiles home, they contended with him. Verses 1-2. But when he told them about the gentiles receiving the Holy Spirit and speaking in tongues in verses 15-17, they immediately understood that God “has granted to the gentiles repentance unto life.” Verse 18. It took a “sign” from God to convince them to accept the gentiles as “brethren.”

Peter did not teach different plans of salvation. In Acts 2 he told the Jews to “…be baptized FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS. He has not changed his preaching. He is not now telling Cornelius your sins are forgiven by the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. That would be two different doctrines. Two different plans of salvation; Contradicting what he said in Acts 2 about baptism. If they had been saved by the baptism of the Holy Spirit then there was no need to be water baptized. Why would Peter COMMAND it? It would definitely not be necessary. But Peter commanded it because it WAS Necessary. Also, if Holy Spirit baptism removed their sins so that they were saved, then why did Peter say that baptism was for the remission of sins? It can’t be both ways.

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[lrs68]

It's kinda funny since you list 5 Baptisms and then add a verse that speaks about only being 1 Baptism.

But if you look at the 5 you have listed they on their own and what they represent do equal only 1 Baptism for each category if you were to place them into separate categories.

 

[Gideon300]

The five baptisms of the New Testament are.
1) The baptism of John, Mark 1:4 It was called a baptism of “repentance” and its purpose was to get the people ready for the coming of the Messiah. Matt. 3:3.

2). The baptism of suffering, Matt. 20:23, Luke 12:50. Jesus refers to His suffering and death on the cross that He must go through and then says that His apostles will experience the same “baptism.”( of suffering and death)

3). The baptism of the Holy Spirit, Acts 2 and Acts 10. This was a miraculous outpouring of the Spirit. It only happened this way twice in the New Testament—once in Acts 2 when it was poured out on the Jews and once in Acts 10 when it was poured out on the gentiles. In both instances it was accompanied by speaking in tongues.
It seems there were 3 different ways people in The New Testament received the Holy Spirit: 1) by a miraculous outpouring, “baptism.” 2). By the laying on of the apostles hands Acts 6:6, and 8:17; and 3) when anyone is water baptized into the name of Jesus of Nazareth, for the remission of sins. Acts 2:38.

4) The baptism of fire, Matthew 3:11. Here, John the Baptist is telling the Jews that Jesus will baptize them with the Holy Spirit and with fire. We have already seen what the baptism of the Holy Spirit was. The only way to know what the baptism of fire is, is to keep this verse in the context in which it was written. It’s always best to let scripture explain scripture whenever possible. In my Bible, that word “fire” is followed by a colon—not a period, which means there is an explanation that follows. Verse 12, John describes a time when Jesus will “purge” his threading floor ( judgement); at that time He will gather his wheat ( the saved) into the garner ( heaven), and the chaff ( the lost), He will burn up with unquenchable “fire.”(hell). You don’t want the baptism of fire! I realize some think this baptism refers to the tongues of fire in Acts 2, but there is nothing anywhere in this context nor the one in Acts 2 to suggest this. Also, John is describing two baptisms in verse 11–Holy Spirit and Fire—whereas the baptism of the Holy Spirit in Acts 2 included “fire” making it just “one “ baptism not two different kinds.

5) The baptism in the name of Jesus Acts 2:38, is the last baptism. I know This is water baptism, in Acts 2 because they got the Holy Spirit as a “gift” AFTER they were water baptized into the name of Jesus. Acts 8, the Samaritans were “water” baptized in verse 12 and did not receive the Holy Spirit until verses 15-17.
Both Phillip and the eunuch went down into the “water” and he baptized him. After Cornelius and his house were baptized with the Holy Spirit, they were commanded to be baptized with “.water” baptism.

I realize Ephesians 4:4 says that there is “one” baptism. This is not a contradiction. He also says there is “one” faith. We know that actually there are “many different faiths”. He is saying there is only “one” that saves us. Of all the many different faiths in the world, there is only one saving faith. And in like manner, there is only one baptism that saves us. It is the baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, just as Peter says in Acts 2.

The visible evidence of the Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost was not tongues of fire. It looked like fire. Many have been deceived by misreading the text. They pray for "fire" thinking that they will receive the Holy Spirit. They are asking for judgement on themselves. Sometimes Satan steps in and gives them some kind of experience that convinces them they have been touched by God. We live in an age where Christians are no longer exhorted to study God's word for themselves and so deception is rife. You are correct. God will cleanse us as we seek to be true disciples. We should not be seeking to be immersed (the meaning of "baptise") in fire.

 

[Beckworth]

It's kinda funny since you list 5 Baptisms and then add a verse that speaks about only being 1 Baptism.

But if you look at the 5 you have listed they on their own and what they represent do equal only 1 Baptism for each category if you were to place them into separate categories.

True, but I still believe that Eph. 4:4 is talking about the only one baptism that saves us. Just as there are many gods—Buddha, many Hindu gods and goddesses but only ONE GOD that is the true God. that made the world , created mankind and saves us. As the scriptures say, there is no other name by which we may be saved. Many faiths but only ONE ( that saves us), and only one baptism that saves us as well. I guess the only reason someone might not believe this is because they do not believe that baptism saves us in the first place.

 

[Beckworth]

The visible evidence of the Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost was not tongues of fire. It looked like fire. Many have been deceived by misreading the text. They pray for "fire" thinking that they will receive the Holy Spirit. They are asking for judgement on themselves. Sometimes Satan steps in and gives them some kind of experience that convinces them they have been touched by God. We live in an age where Christians are no longer exhorted to study God's word for themselves and so deception is rife. You are correct. God will cleanse us as we seek to be true disciples. We should not be seeking to be immersed (the meaning of "baptise") in fire.

Amen!! Good points.

 

[PaulThomson]

What you have said and continue to say is!
One, anyone that believes God must get water Baptized, or you not saved. So, Cornelius's house was not saved even though they spoke in tongues as proof to Peter, they are saved by God.

Was baptism in the Holy Spirit in the Old Testament proof of salvation? Saul who was trying to murder Devid was baptised in the Holy Spirit and prophesied among the prophets.

1 Sam. 19:1 And Saul spake to Jonathan his son, and to all his servants, that they should kill David...

9 And the evil spirit from the Lord was upon Saul, as he sat in his house with his javelin in his hand: and David played with his hand.

10 And Saul sought to smite David even to the wall with the javelin: but he slipped away out of Saul's presence, and he smote the javelin into the wall: and David fled, and escaped that night.

11 Saul also sent messengers unto David's house, to watch him, and to slay him in the morning: and Michal David's wife told him, saying, If thou save not thy life to night, to morrow thou shalt be slain...

24 And he stripped off his clothes also, and prophesied before Samuel in like manner, and lay down naked all that day and all that night. Wherefore they say, Is Saul also among the prophets?

Baptism in the Holy Spirit is a sign that God is with and Lord over the one baptised with the Spirit, not proof of salvation. There were unsaved messiahs (anointed ones) in the OT.

 

[PaulThomson]

Was baptism in the Holy Spirit in the Old Testament proof of salvation? Saul who was trying to murder Devid was baptised in the Holy Spirit and prophesied among the prophets.

1 Sam. 19:1 And Saul spake to Jonathan his son, and to all his servants, that they should kill David...

9 And the evil spirit from the Lord was upon Saul, as he sat in his house with his javelin in his hand: and David played with his hand.

10 And Saul sought to smite David even to the wall with the javelin: but he slipped away out of Saul's presence, and he smote the javelin into the wall: and David fled, and escaped that night.

11 Saul also sent messengers unto David's house, to watch him, and to slay him in the morning: and Michal David's wife told him, saying, If thou save not thy life to night, to morrow thou shalt be slain...

24 And he stripped off his clothes also, and prophesied before Samuel in like manner, and lay down naked all that day and all that night. Wherefore they say, Is Saul also among the prophets?

Baptism in the Holy Spirit is a sign that God is with and Lord over the one baptised with the Spirit, not proof of salvation. There were unsaved messiahs (anointed ones) in the OT.

What was happening in the case of Saul. Saul had a demon or demons tormenting him over God taking the kingly line away from Saul. Saul was being driven by demons to murder David, whom they knew was God's choice to replace Saul. On his way to capture and kill David, God fills him with the Holy Spirit. Could we surmise from this that God had sovereignly cleansed the body of Saul of its unruly demonic squatters?

Luk 11:24 “When an unclean spirit goes out of a man, he goes through dry places, seeking rest; and finding none, he says, ‘I will return to my house from which I came.'
Luk 11:25 “And when he comes, he finds it swept and put in order.
Luk 11:26 “Then he goes and takes with him seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter and dwell there; and the last state of that man is worse than the first.”

Saul's house was cleansed, now what was he going to choose? Would he choose to keep the house clean and fill it with virtues. Or would he surrender once again to bondage to resentment, bitterness, jealousy, hatred and murder?

Can we reasonably surmise, that God as King of Kings and Lord of Lords has the ability to sweep any soul clean of demons, and to take possession of it for as long as He desires, even against the owner's will? That is not the way He wants to operate on a permanent basis, but it could be worthwhile, as a reset for a demon-occupied person, to give them an opportunity to choose life and reject the demonic behaviour and attitudes that had previously been driving and twisting them. Could it be that the baptism with the Holy Spirit is a demonstration by God that He wants that person to be His vessel, His house? Is it possible that baptism with the Holy Spirit does not forgive sins, but cleanses/frees the house temporarily of demonic influence to allow the person to choose freely whether to turn willingly to God, or not? Or in Jesus case, it authenticated that He was already clean, and satan had nothing in Him?

Could it be that baptism into Christ by the Holy Spirit when one believes and their sins are forgiven, is not the same thing as this baptism with the Spirit which cleanses the house of demonic powers, or often marks a person as already clean of demonic powers? Could it be that water baptism is where we wash away our sins, in the sense that we are declaring our confidence that our sins were forgiven when we believed, and we are re-living our death with Christ and our resurrection with Him into new life? This reminds me of Abraham enacting His complete surrender of Isaac to God by being willing to offer him up as a sacrificial offering by fire, trusting that God would be able and faithful to raise him back to life in order to keep His promises to Abraham about Isaac. Water baptism has the effect of allowing us to let go of our life, giving it to God in a very practical physical kinaesthetic way, so that we can more easily be confident that we are entering a new life, freed from our past sins which were buried with us in our water baptism.

 

[homwardbound]

Just commenting on the first 2 sentences in the last paragraph. Yes, the reason I believe that believers must be water baptized to be saved is because JESUS says that it takes faith AND baptism to be saved in Mark 16:16. Doesn’t that mean that “believers must be water baptized to be saved”? Do you not believe what Jesus said?? Are you calling the Son of God a liar?? He is the one who said baptism is required for salvation—not me.

I also believe that believers must be baptized to be saved because Peter said that baptism is for the REMISSION OF SINS in Acts 2:38 and he also verified that BAPTISM SAVES Us in 1 Peter 3:21. But I guess you think Peter is a liar, too; because I do not think you believe what he says anymore than you believe what Jesus says.

Another reason That I believe that believers must be baptized to be saved is because The apostle Paul said it “WASHES AWAY YOUR SINS” in Acts 22:16. You probably do not believe the apostle Paul, either, do you? Here we have in the inspired word of God, Peter the great apostle to the JEWS and Paul, the great apostle to the gentiles and the SON OF GOD ALL teaching that one must be baptized to have their sins remitted, and washed away and in order to have salvation , but you don’t believe them. Yet you have said that God does not lie. Either you are lying or God is lying in His word because y’all are definitely NOT saying the same thing. You choose.

The other thing you said is that Cornelius and his house spoke in tongues as “proof”. That God had saved them. That is not at all in the scriptures and especially in this scripture. I don’t know where you got that but read the story again carefully. Where does it say or even hint that they spoke in tongues as proof that they were saved?? I know that is what man teaches and I know that is what men believe but where is the evidence in God’s word that says that? The Holy Spirit baptism and the tongues were a “sign” to the Jews that God was granting salvation to the gentiles as well as to the Jews. This is “proven” in chapter 11:18. When the other Jews heard that Peter had gone into a gentiles home, they contended with him. Verses 1-2. But when he told them about the gentiles receiving the Holy Spirit and speaking in tongues in verses 15-17, they immediately understood that God “has granted to the gentiles repentance unto life.” Verse 18. It took a “sign” from God to convince them to accept the gentiles as “brethren.”

Peter did not teach different plans of salvation. In Acts 2 he told the Jews to “…be baptized FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS. He has not changed his preaching. He is not now telling Cornelius your sins are forgiven by the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. That would be two different doctrines. Two different plans of salvation; Contradicting what he said in Acts 2 about baptism. If they had been saved by the baptism of the Holy Spirit then there was no need to be water baptized. Why would Peter COMMAND it? It would definitely not be necessary. But Peter commanded it because it WAS Necessary. Also, if Holy Spirit baptism removed their sins so that they were saved, then why did Peter say that baptism was for the remission of sins? It can’t be both ways.

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Let mask this? being taken to water too be water Baptized, I hear you saying one, anyone can be forced and not be willing? if are forced and one, anyone doe snot do it willingly, they are still saved by what you have been saying? True or false, thanks for the admonishments