Does the Last Day include the whole millennium?

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The last day is when believers in Jesus are resurrected (John 6:40) and also when unbelievers are judged (John 12:48). But Revelation Chapter 20 puts 1000 years between the first resurrection and the great white throne judgment (according to premillennialism). So does the last day span the entire 1000 years?

My proposed answer is yes. Because when Jesus comes as the light of the world, there is no night in the New Jerusalem (Rev. 21:25; 22:5), which I think comes to earth at the beginning of the millennium. Zechariah 14:7 (NKJV) similarly says regarding the day of the LORD that "at evening time it shall happen that it will be light". So if there is no night, then the last day will continue forever in the New Jerusalem.

There could still be solar days and nights, months, and years, based on the movement of the sun, earth, and moon, but at least there is no contradiction with the the great white throne judgment taking place 1000 years later. What do you think?
 
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I think , one day is as a thousand years to Father and Son as Won for us the kids. How to explain, I can't nor any first birth flesh can, in my honest thought
I see 430 years went by in the slavery of the Hebrews. Therefore in Father's view not even a half a day
Yet is does not feel that way being of in flesh and blood, not born new yet as we are today in the risen Son, outside of time, that puts thyme spice in me
I do not know how, I just know someway, somehow, God comes through fro the best of everyone in the long haul
Thanks, hope to have given you some perspective

As far as the great white throne judgment goes for me in and through me. When I reckon me as dead then I can be alive form God Father in the risen Son for me and everyone else too, presently
I am crucified, I died, yet live new in the kingdom of God in God's Spirit and Truth, Judgement happened to me as it happened to Paul in Gal 2:20 Romans 6:1-12
 

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The last day is when believers in Jesus are resurrected (John 6:40) and also when unbelievers are judged (John 12:48). But Revelation Chapter 20 puts 1000 years between the first resurrection and the great white throne judgment (according to premillennialism). So does the last day span the entire 1000 years?

My proposed answer is yes. Because when Jesus comes as the light of the world, there is no night in the New Jerusalem (Rev. 21:25; 22:5), which I think comes to earth at the beginning of the millennium. Zechariah 14:7 (NKJV) similarly says regarding the day of the LORD that "at evening time it shall happen that it will be light". So if there is no night, then the last day will continue forever in the New Jerusalem.

There could still be solar days and nights, months, and years, based on the movement of the sun, earth, and moon, but at least there is no contradiction with the the great white throne judgment taking place 1000 years later. What do you think?
There's a deep rabbit hole one could go down with this, but....... it's deep, and few would dare venture.
 

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The last day is when believers in Jesus are resurrected (John 6:40) and also when unbelievers are judged (John 12:48). But Revelation Chapter 20 puts 1000 years between the first resurrection and the great white throne judgment (according to premillennialism). So does the last day span the entire 1000 years?

What do you think?
Could very well be. In the eyes of the Lord a day is like a 1000 years, and a 1000 years as a day.
 
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Could very well be. In the eyes of the Lord a day is like a 1000 years, and a 1000 years as a day.
resurrected on the last day for anyone that turns to Father in belief to risen Son, are made new in Spirit and Truth from God Father to them instantly, What????????? How

By, the done work of Son once for us all to be made new in love and mercy from him first going to that cross willingly, that Took away sin first, that in Son got done as in John 19:30. The prediction of John the Baptist filled as in John 1:29 to it is done what Jesus said he came here to earth to do Matt 5:17
But wait a sec, what about Matt 5:18. Answer, the Law today is only in place for the Law
Breakers. Now go to any religion and get put under Law, their Laws, or just the Ten Commandments and be under Law to see for yourself you are not perfect and never can be of self ever perfect, I, we all need God to lead do we not? God will not do that unless one, anyone is willing the same as Jesus did going willingly to that cross to die once for us all to get given new life in his resurrected life. Willing opens the door to see and be new in love and mercy too.
The same as the first Chosen could not do it either. So God did it once for all through Son. In the Son's resurrection, not the death. The death was only to reconcile us all to Father first as forgiven forever through his sight to us each. Wow, Woe is me Isaiah 6:1-7. Then the risen Life and under new Law of Love to all, now God's Law of love to all, not under Commands anymore freed to now be able to choose right over wrong, as every person knows in themselves right over wrong, at first birth in flesh and blood. Being born with the truth of Good and Evil. Not born evil or good at birth. Given the truth do good or evil to choose and stand in God or not.
Too simple, to take on God's yoke and burden it is simple and easy once see through the veil torn for you too in the death, burial and risen Son for all to be new in God Father's Spirit and Truth
Born new (again) by God presently forever
wow? truth
 

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The last day is when believers in Jesus are resurrected (John 6:40) and also when unbelievers are judged (John 12:48). But Revelation Chapter 20 puts 1000 years between the first resurrection and the great white throne judgment (according to premillennialism). So does the last day span the entire 1000 years?

My proposed answer is yes. Because when Jesus comes as the light of the world, there is no night in the New Jerusalem (Rev. 21:25; 22:5), which I think comes to earth at the beginning of the millennium. Zechariah 14:7 (NKJV) similarly says regarding the day of the LORD that "at evening time it shall happen that it will be light". So if there is no night, then the last day will continue forever in the New Jerusalem.

There could still be solar days and nights, months, and years, based on the movement of the sun, earth, and moon, but at least there is no contradiction with the the great white throne judgment taking place 1000 years later. What do you think?
“the New Jerusalem (Rev. 21:25; 22:5), which I think comes to earth at the beginning of the millennium”

The new Jerusalem comes down to the new earth after the judgement , the thousand year reign happens before that it’s a measure of time from Jesus death and resurrection when the first resurrection happened the promised resurrection of the first covenant

“and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, and came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭27:52-53‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The thousand years represents the time period from that to the second resurrection promosed by our covenant when Jesus returns

“For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”
‭‭1 Thessalonians‬ ‭4:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

there’s a kingdom in heaven where those who were redeemed from the ot reign with Christ since he rose and ascended

You can see here jesus is the man child born to rule with a rod of iron and is taken up to Gods throne . Notice after that happens a large group of people appear celebrating in his kingdom in heaven but another group dwelling on earth is given a woe and warned about satans war against them

“And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. ( mark 16:19)

And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. ( the saints of the ot who rose after Jesus did )

Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.”( New Testament believers )
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:5, 10-12, 17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

People get hung up on trying to calculate how a thousand years figures in it just represents an estimate nonone very extended time period between when Jesus ascended to heavens throne and when he will return from there and gather the rest of his people

at he resurrection wouod hapoen in two stages once for each time Jesus appears

his first time he came the ots promised resurrection happened when he returns the one we are promised will happen

“For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order:

Christ , the firstfruits; ( first resurrection )

afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.”( last resirrection )
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:22-23‬ ‭


The new Jerusalem ne er returns to the earth we know until after it’s burned up and destroyed and renewed


“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:1-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

remember Jesus told them he was going to another place to prepare a place in the father house for them so they could come later with him where he was going …..and his kingdom is not of this world
 

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It would be the only way to make premillennialism fit to say the last day includes the millennium.
 

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How can anyone not see the 7th-day "Last Day" 1000-year span of time between the Second Coming of Christ and the GWTJ in the Bible??? Are folks not studying the whole Bible - from Genesis to Revelation?

I really do not see how anyone can miss it...
 

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We see what I call mirror images all throughout the Bible and I believe this topic can also fit into that type of explanation.

Let's take the Creation for example.
It's possible this was either 7 days or 7,000 years should we apply the idealism 1 day = 1,000 years.

I believe that pattern ^ also resembles the pattern we are in now.

We have 6,000 years or 6 days of both Old Testament history and New Testament (Church - Times of the Gentiles) history. But we're missing this current world being cleansed with fire where even the oceans will be burnt up and New Jerusalem comes down and have no need for lights or the sun because God will be the light and there will be no more night only day for a 1,000 years.

When this takes place and ends we will have 14 days or 14,000 years. Which falls in the parameters of the perfect number of God [7].
 

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Let's take the Creation for example.
It's possible this was either 7 days or 7,000 years should we apply the idealism 1 day = 1,000 years.
No - we know that Creation Week was a literal week - 7 "evening and morning" days.

However, it is a representation of the 7 1000-year days of human history. And, the 7th day - the "last day" - is the "day of rest" - when Christ will rule the earth. This we call the Millennium - the 1000-year reign of Christ [on the earth].

When this takes place and ends we will have 14 days or 14,000 years. Which falls in the parameters of the perfect number of God [7].
Where are getting this 14 days or 14,000 years from? And, we will have that time for what exactly?
 

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No - we know that Creation Week was a literal week - 7 "evening and morning" days.
I said it is possible and you answered as if I committed to one specifically.
That's interesting to jump that deep into assumption.
However, it is a representation of the 7 1000-year days of human history. And, the 7th day - the "last day" - is the "day of rest" - when Christ will rule the earth. This we call the Millennium - the 1000-year reign of Christ [on the earth].
I agree to this.
Where are getting this 14 days or 14,000 years from? And, we will have that time for what exactly?
It goes back to the possibility had that actually took place.


But in reference towards creation you do ignore Chapter 2 when it declares:

These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that Jehovah God made earth and heaven.

Generations [years] of the heavens and earth were created in the day [single day].

Therefore I speak in reference to the Word of God not man's understanding.
 

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Yes, but I am a Paulinist regarding eschatology which means amillenialist
because I don’t see how to make a millennium fit.
There are alot of problems with all the millennial views yeah.

Premills weaknesses include:
Death existing after the second coming
Goes against all the parables of Jesus; Wheat and tares; Sheep and goats; none of these end with a 3rd group left in the flesh, eternal life or eternal damnation.

Plenty of strengths too, like fulfilling the OT prophecies in a more literal way, and an easy to read Rev 20.
 
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How can anyone not see the 7th-day "Last Day" 1000-year span of time between the Second Coming of Christ and the GWTJ in the Bible??? Are folks not studying the whole Bible - from Genesis to Revelation?

I really do not see how anyone can miss it...
Did you miss reading Paul's eschatology?
 
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There are alot of problems with all the millennial views yeah.

Premills weaknesses include:
Death existing after the second coming
Goes against all the parables of Jesus; Wheat and tares; Sheep and goats; none of these end with a 3rd group left in the flesh, eternal life or eternal damnation.

Plenty of strengths too, like fulfilling the OT prophecies in a more literal way, and an easy to read Rev 20.
I have thought about this alot lol. I have a few ideas. One is that the 1000 years as one day and vice versa could of been a way to explain the temperal realm (us) and the eternal realm (heaven.) To people at that time. There is simply no context of time in the eternal realm. Its forever backwards it's forever forwards. There are no days or nights or hours and minutes it just one long eternal day. Thats one possibility for sure.

However I can also see how it would be used as the millennium because 1000 years is a millennium. Easy for the mind to make that jump. There are 7 days of creation. In my opinion creation being in the temperal realm. Which to me would mean the millennium is the 7th day. Because with Satan locked up for 1000 years that would be a day of rest for the Lord everything is back to normal pre fall.

As far as the third group wether we are in the flesh or spirit Satan is let loose then goes to gog and magog to try one last time to win his petty war. At which point fire comes down destroys all creation and the great white throne judgment takes place. Rev 20-8 says Satan will be loosed and Go out to deceive the nations and gather them to battle. So there is some group of humans or angles that follow him again. Who or what that is I have some thoughts on but it would be a long message.
 

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I said it is possible and you answered as if I committed to one specifically.
That's interesting to jump that deep into assumption.
You stated that it could be either 7 days or 7000 years.

Meaning - you could accept either time span as being possible.

I indicated that I do not accept either time span as being possible.

I stated that it had to be 7 days because of what is written in scripture.

I indicated that it is not possible that it could have been 7000 years.

I speak in reference to the Word of God not man's understanding.

But in reference towards creation you do ignore Chapter 2 when it declares:

These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that Jehovah God made earth and heaven.

Generations [years] of the heavens and earth were created in the day [single day].

Therefore I speak in reference to the Word of God not man's understanding.
The word 'generations' is referring to people in particular - it is not at all referring to the time it took to perform the creation of the heavens and earth.

If you agree with the 7 'days' being 7 1000-year divisions of time - why do you not accept that 'in the day' could be referring to "the first 1000 years" [of human history]???

Are you mixing-and-matching 'days' to what you want it to mean? Or, are you keeping a constant-and-consistant persistent structure of thought...?

( I think there may be a lot more of "man's understanding" in your speaking than you realize... ;) )
 
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I have thought about this alot lol. I have a few ideas. One is that the 1000 years as one day and vice versa could of been a way to explain the temperal realm (us) and the eternal realm (heaven.) To people at that time. There is simply no context of time in the eternal realm. Its forever backwards it's forever forwards. There are no days or nights or hours and minutes it just one long eternal day. Thats one possibility for sure.

However I can also see how it would be used as the millennium because 1000 years is a millennium. Easy for the mind to make that jump. There are 7 days of creation. In my opinion creation being in the temperal realm. Which to me would mean the millennium is the 7th day. Because with Satan locked up for 1000 years that would be a day of rest for the Lord everything is back to normal pre fall.

As far as the third group wether we are in the flesh or spirit Satan is let loose then goes to gog and magog to try one last time to win his petty war. At which point fire comes down destroys all creation and the great white throne judgment takes place. Rev 20-8 says Satan will be loosed and Go out to deceive the nations and gather them to battle. So there is some group of humans or angles that follow him again. Who or what that is I have some thoughts on but it would be a long message.
Okay, but don't overthink this. Just go along with what Paul taught and relax,
just as we don't need to overpray but just have a short prayer for God's will to be done as Jesus exemplified.
 

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Did you miss reading Paul's eschatology?
Nope - as far as I know, I have not missed a thing...

Are there some particular verses that you are thinking of?

Perhaps, I may be able to help you understand how they really do fit in with the rest of biblical eschatology...?
 
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I dont over think it just one of my favorite things from the Bible to think about.
 

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There are alot of problems with all the millennial views yeah.

Premills weaknesses include:
Death existing after the second coming
Why do you say this? Do you not realize that the only difference between the 7th day and the other 6 days is that Jesus will be ruling over the earth?

Physics-and-the-rest will be the same. Still have sin. Still have death. Same 'ole earth as we have now - only, being ruled by Jesus.

Goes against all the parables of Jesus; Wheat and tares; Sheep and goats; none of these end with a 3rd group left in the flesh, eternal life or eternal damnation.
I do not see how it goes against any parables. You might need to point out specific verses, details, etc.

Plenty of strengths too, like fulfilling the OT prophecies in a more literal way, and an easy to read Rev 20.
Yep - and, just imagine - if you got past the perplexity of what you wrote above - then what do you have...? :)