Returning curses back to sender?

[oldman]

very

Romans 8 verse 31b, Hebrews 13 verse 6 ~ If God is for us, who can be against us? So we say with confidence: “The Lord is my helper; I will not be afraid. What can man do to me?”
Thank you for the inspiration .. I chose that background because it looked like an English tea setting in a lovely yard or garden setting. I tried a few different ones with macaroons and fancy tea cups (my mother had quite a collection of those!), but this one with the melons worked best overall for the pale (but vibrant) pastel colours I wanted and composition etc (the melons remind me of cucumber sandwiches heh). The woman was one I made this afternoon trying out a new generator which was very interesting because it was somehow connected to Discord, which our lovely @seoulsearch mentions occasionally... She started out looking like this-

I did tilt her a bit sorry about that... and then I blended in a different face to which I again blended in a different
set of eyes... and I do hope the font is legible, please let me know if it is not and I will try to fix it for you...

very nice work Magenta

 

[Magenta]

very

very nice work Magenta

Thank you, David! I have changed it again, some more... the Britney song, oops I did it again comes to mind LOL

I think really overall this one works best for me with the pale but vibrant pastels and a fair bit of white... I liked the
melons and I liked the other whiter one, the bunnies sure were cute... but this has the best mix for what I was going for .

I hope you are well... how is your current prosthetic? Is it working well for you?

Romans 8 verse 31b, Hebrews 13 verse 6 ~ If God is for us, who can be against us? So we say with confidence: “The Lord is my helper; I will not be afraid. What can man do to me?”

 

[oldman]

I'm mobile but very slow.

 

[Magenta]

And the background once again is a photograph from Jill Wellington, who has released a lot of her work to public domain.
She is a portrait photographer but she did not contribute anything towards the construction of my figure/face set-up

 

[Magenta]

I'm mobile but very slow.

My mobility has really decreased over the last few years. Between arthritis in my hips and my COPD I do not go far... or fast LOL

 

[presidente]

God and Satan both require the cooperation of man in order to have their will done. God respects man's will. God will not force man to obey.

Saul lay on the ground prophesying naked at night. David escaped.

What kind of cooperation did man offer God for Him to make the animals before man was created? What cooperation did man offer God to make man in the first place? Where does the Bible teach that God needs man's cooperation to do anything? Where does the Bible teach that Satan needs man's cooperation to do anything?

I mean a book of the Bible. Not the book of Kenneth Hagin, or the book of Opinions.

If a prayer is contrary to God's will, He will not answer it except for "No". If someone prays to God, in Jesus name then Satan is shut out. However, some pray for harm to come to someone and without saying in the name of Jesus. Satan will take that as permission to attack that person.

Well, how about what I asked about earlier... where does the Bible teach this, that Satan takes people's prayers not prayed in Jesus' name and works through them?

I know a number of instances of this happening. I needed a place to stay temporarily. I was offered a place for a few days with a widow where another friend was staying. She told me that she had prayed that her husband would die and sure enough, he did. God is not in the business of killing people for no good reason.

If it is appointed unto man once to die, how do you know this woman didn't just happen to pray her prayer at his appointed time? When Jesus said not to fear him who can destroy the body, but rather to fear Him Who is able to destroy both body and soul in Hell, who was He talking about? Do you think Satan determines when Christians die?
And how do you know what was in the husband's heart? (Btw, I am not justifying the woman's prayer.)

No one prayed that Ananias and Sapphira would die. They lied to the Holy Spirit and so brought judgement on themselves, meted out by God.

We don't know if anyone prayed they would die or not, but it isn't part of the accountin Acts.

The question that all Christians need to ask is not whether or not something is good. The question is, is it God? Soul power is not of the Spirit therefore it is not of God.

Show me scripture for this. When I read the Bible, I see that God breathed into man the breath of life and man became a living soul. Isn't that from God.

You are breathing. Is that 'not of God'?

The soul has life in itself, given to Adam so that he could function on the earth. It was intended to be temporary until he chose the tree of life. We know, of course, that he chose the knowledge of good and evil instead.

Show me in scripture where the soul is meant to be temporary, or that this understanding is what scripture means by 'soul.' What is this idea based on? If Paul wanted his readers to be sanctified body, soul, and spirit at the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ, might not the soul be important?

God's intent for man has never changed. God does not accept what originates from man's natural life. Jesus came that we might have life. That is "zoe" life, the life of God Himself. The life of the soul is "psuche" in Greek. It is unacceptable to God.

If a saint is sanctified in body soul and spirit, how could the soul be unacceptable to God?

It's the life that Jesus told us we need to lose.

But then if we lose it for His sake, we find it.

I'm wary of pop Charismatic (and evangelical) teachings for which I cannot find teaching in scripture. It is possible for sermons to be filled with ideas that do not come from scripture, but from other teachers. If someone wants to claim some doctrine that isn't in the Bible, I would like to ask how and through whom God revealed the idea. For example, if someone says manipulation is witchcraft... who was this revealed to. if some preacher said it, does he claim God told him that. If not, and it isn't in scripture, and it isn't even really logical, why believe in it? Our teaching shouldn't just be an echo chamber of man's ideas.

 

[presidente]

God and Satan both require the cooperation of man in order to have their will done. God respects man's will. God will not force man to obey.

Saul lay on the ground prophesying naked at night. David escaped.

What kind of cooperation did man offer God for Him to make the animals before man was created? What cooperation did man offer God to make man in the first place? Where does the Bible teach that God needs man's cooperation to do anything? Where does the Bible teach that Satan needs man's cooperation to do anything?

I mean a book of the Bible. Not the book of Kenneth Hagin, or the book of Opinions.

If a prayer is contrary to God's will, He will not answer it except for "No". If someone prays to God, in Jesus name then Satan is shut out. However, some pray for harm to come to someone and without saying in the name of Jesus. Satan will take that as permission to attack that person.

Well, how about what I asked about earlier... where does the Bible teach this, that Satan takes people's prayers not prayed in Jesus' name and works through them?

I know a number of instances of this happening. I needed a place to stay temporarily. I was offered a place for a few days with a widow where another friend was staying. She told me that she had prayed that her husband would die and sure enough, he did. God is not in the business of killing people for no good reason.

If it is appointed unto man once to die, how do you know this woman didn't just happen to pray her prayer at his appointed time? When Jesus said not to fear him who can destroy the body, but rather to fear Him Who is able to destroy both body and soul in Hell, who was He talking about? Do you think Satan determines when Christians die?
And how do you know what was in the husband's heart? (Btw, I am not justifying the woman's prayer.)

No one prayed that Ananias and Sapphira would die. They lied to the Holy Spirit and so brought judgement on themselves, meted out by God.

We don't know if anyone prayed they would die or not, but it isn't part of the accountin Acts.

The question that all Christians need to ask is not whether or not something is good. The question is, is it God? Soul power is not of the Spirit therefore it is not of God.

Show me scripture for this. When I read the Bible, I see that God breathed into man the breath of life and man became a living soul. Isn't that from God.

You are breathing. Is that 'not of God'?

The soul has life in itself, given to Adam so that he could function on the earth. It was intended to be temporary until he chose the tree of life. We know, of course, that he chose the knowledge of good and evil instead.

Show me in scripture where the soul is meant to be temporary, or that this understanding is what scripture means by 'soul.' What is this idea based on? If Paul wanted his readers to be sanctified body, soul, and spirit at the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ, might not the soul be important?

God's intent for man has never changed. God does not accept what originates from man's natural life. Jesus came that we might have life. That is "zoe" life, the life of God Himself. The life of the soul is "psuche" in Greek. It is unacceptable to God.

If a saint is sanctified in body soul and spirit, how could the soul be unacceptable to God?

It's the life that Jesus told us we need to lose.

But then if we lose it for His sake, we find it.

I'm wary of pop Charismatic (and evangelical) teachings for which I cannot find teaching in scripture. It is possible for sermons to be filled with ideas that do not come from scripture, but from other teachers. If someone wants to claim some doctrine that isn't in the Bible, I would like to ask how and through whom God revealed the idea. For example, if someone says manipulation is witchcraft... who was this revealed to. if some preacher said it, does he claim God told him that. If not, and it isn't in scripture, and it isn't even really logical, why believe in it? Our teaching shouldn't just be an echo chamber of man's ideas.

 

[Gideon300]

Saul lay on the ground prophesying naked at night. David escaped.

What kind of cooperation did man offer God for Him to make the animals before man was created? What cooperation did man offer God to make man in the first place? Where does the Bible teach that God needs man's cooperation to do anything? Where does the Bible teach that Satan needs man's cooperation to do anything?

I mean a book of the Bible. Not the book of Kenneth Hagin, or the book of Opinions.



Well, how about what I asked about earlier... where does the Bible teach this, that Satan takes people's prayers not prayed in Jesus' name and works through them?



If it is appointed unto man once to die, how do you know this woman didn't just happen to pray her prayer at his appointed time? When Jesus said not to fear him who can destroy the body, but rather to fear Him Who is able to destroy both body and soul in Hell, who was He talking about? Do you think Satan determines when Christians die?
And how do you know what was in the husband's heart? (Btw, I am not justifying the woman's prayer.)



We don't know if anyone prayed they would die or not, but it isn't part of the accountin Acts.



Show me scripture for this. When I read the Bible, I see that God breathed into man the breath of life and man became a living soul. Isn't that from God.

You are breathing. Is that 'not of God'?



Show me in scripture where the soul is meant to be temporary, or that this understanding is what scripture means by 'soul.' What is this idea based on? If Paul wanted his readers to be sanctified body, soul, and spirit at the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ, might not the soul be important?


If a saint is sanctified in body soul and spirit, how could the soul be unacceptable to God?



But then if we lose it for His sake, we find it.

I'm wary of pop Charismatic (and evangelical) teachings for which I cannot find teaching in scripture. It is possible for sermons to be filled with ideas that do not come from scripture, but from other teachers. If someone wants to claim some doctrine that isn't in the Bible, I would like to ask how and through whom God revealed the idea. For example, if someone says manipulation is witchcraft... who was this revealed to. if some preacher said it, does he claim God told him that. If not, and it isn't in scripture, and it isn't even really logical, why believe in it? Our teaching shouldn't just be an echo chamber of man's ideas.

There is a great deal to learn from observation and experience. For example, your comment about witchcraft. Derek Prince stated that witchcraft is all about control. It is also a work of the flesh, not just demonic. I can tell you from my own experience before I was saved.

I was born into the occult. My mother was psychic. I was conceived out of wedlock. My father was sent to Korea so my mother was alone at first. Her relatives had a seance and called down a "guardian angel" to care for me. We had that demon in the home until I was 5 years old. It's a miracle that I lived that long. I suffered two potentially fatal illness, whooping cough and dysentery.

As a young adult, I discovered my own psychic power. I did not indulge it much because, somehow, I knew it was wrong. I'm English by birth. The occult is woven into the fabric of society, or at least it was as I was growing up.

There is such a thing as revelation by the Holy Spirit. Those who are born again have the ability to discern what is of God and what is not. Not everyone uses that discernment. Before dismissing such things, you do well to listen to people like Derek Prince. Just because you do not understand does not make them wrong. Derek Prince was a missionary in Africa. He came across the occult a great deal.

There is a vast amount in the spiritual realm that defies human logic. For example, why would Paul get annoyed with a woman who told the truth about his ministry? (Acts 16: 16-34). Paul knew that God was as concerned about the source as much as the information itself. Satan quoted God's word to Jesus in the wilderness. What could be wrong with that? Yet Satan's intent was evil. Jesus saw through that. I wonder how many Christians have had a word that seemed from God but led them astray. I am one who fell into that trap.

As far as God requiring the cooperation of man, that is obvious from man's history with God. All you have to do is read the Old Testament. Why do you think Lord Jesus told us to pray "Your will be done, on earth as in heaven"? If it was automatic, we would not need to pray.

 

[presidente]

There is a great deal to learn from observation and experience. For example, your comment about witchcraft. Derek Prince stated that witchcraft is all about control. It is also a work of the flesh, not just demonic. I can tell you from my own experience before I was saved.

I actually like Derek Prince, or old recordings, for the most part. But in some areas, I think his teachings could get a little speculative, and maybe a bit too far with deliverance. He was an in-depth teacher, moreso than some of the originators of some of the many pop-Charismatic teachings that originated in the 1980s'. Derek Prince knew Greek also from his classical education at King's College. But categorizing manipulation as witchcraft? Is a baby who cries to get picked up engaging in witchcraft? I see no reason to accept that idea, either from scripture or plain reason.

And while it makes sense that witchcraft may be, generally, very much about control, that doesn't make being controlling witchcraft.

There is such a thing as revelation by the Holy Spirit. Those who are born again have the ability to discern what is of God and what is not.

Sure, but that doesn't mean that every teaching that circulates among Charismatics is legitimate. Some teaches have no real root in scripture, or are based on a misinterpretation of scripture. I know some Charismatics think "We speak in tongues and prophesy over here, so our teachings must be from the Spirit. " But then there is another Charismatic church or a Pentecostal church down the road that doesn't teach you should send the curse back to the one who sent it, or that every sin in the family lineage is a 'generational curse', or that Jesus was carrying treasure chests around with him, or that one should give to the richest preacher, or that it is only permissible to pray about something one time, or that all control is witchcraft, or that such and such are the symptoms of 'the Jezebel spirit', or that God never made anyone sick, who may consider such teachings to be weird, and some of them to outright contradict scripture, and they have tongues, interpretation, prophecy, and gifts of the Spirit active in their churches. Charismata did not guarantee that the church in Corinth would be free from those who would contaminate it with sin (e.g. I Corinthians 5) or doctrinal error (e.g. I Corinthians 15.) It hasn't guaranteed this for the Charismatic movement either.

If someone claims to get some new doctrine and it isn't in the Bible, and then they want to vaguely claim they or their group has 'revelation', I might want to know specifically who claimed to get that revelation, and when an where. If it just comes from some comment some influential preacher made up one Sunday, and other preachers repeated it, why should I believe it? I've been around enough to be a bit wary of those who claim their doctrine is revelation, but no one knows who revealed it.

As far as God requiring the cooperation of man, that is obvious from man's history with God. All you have to do is read the Old Testament. Why do you think Lord Jesus told us to pray "Your will be done, on earth as in heaven"? If it was automatic, we would not need to pray.

God obviously works with and through people. But it is another thing to say that God __will not__ or _can not_ work in other ways. God created the heavens and the earth before humans were created. The idea that after man was created, God can or may do nothing in the earth without going through a man may be a Kenneth Copeland teaching, but I cannot find it in the Bible.

 

[Lifted_by_the_word]

The reason I ask this question is because in the church I came out of, returning the curses back to sender is what the leader practiced, and taught us. The same one I said who cursed me, because she did curse the entire group of people for not giving her donation. In the old testiment the church leader did this to Isreal, because they where always not giving tie money. He told me that it was not himself they did this to, but God. And he cursed them. The church leader I spoke of did the same thing. And when this happened I suffered losses because of my car. However on this topic because of what someone here said, sorry I looked for the post for credit, I had already been suffering problems with my money. It just happened that somethings happened to me.

The church leader would point to scripture saying that we are to return curses. One of those is, 'God will curse those who curse us.' And right now I don't know them, but she pointed to other scripture also.

But an error I know the church leaders was doing, was they would command belzabulb to break things for them. Commanding a demon to do something for them. Which I know is witchcraft, because this is what a witch does. On that, I think they just where making a mistake. Ignorant of the error.

Something I learned about returning curses, is, 'You are trying to save the person, and then they get cursed by you.' But on that one, the church leader would say, 'You are showing them God's power.' This is true, I returned a curse to someone as they did it in my face, and they later came looking for salvation from the curse.

A problem I see with is, returning death spirits to the person. If the person dies. The church leader would did say she returned death spirits and seen people die.

I seen God kill people too. Two of them died out of prophecy I spoke to them.

Just before I was saved God was stirring up in side of me and I hugged my older sister and told her I loved her.And from that she called the cops on me cause she thought I was gonna hurt myself lol.
There was something inside of me that knew something was about to go on.When the cops came I knew who they were.They were part of the same satanic cult my father was from.while talking to them outside, my hands felt like they were on fire.We ended up going to the hospital and just we before we left I grabbed my Bible and while waiting in the waiting room I looked to my right down the hallway and there was around 10 other cops gathered around talking in a hushed tone and I knew that they came for me.

At some point just before I was taken into a separate room,the female cop that took me in came and said "come with me" and another cop came from where the others were and asked if she needed some help and she said "no I can handle this"
I knew this women was a witch and she took me into a empty room and grabbed a chair and sat in the middle of the door,blocking it.
She grabbed her phone and started texting something then looked up at me.
instantly I felt this weird tingly,vibrating feeling that started from the heart and was moving across my whole chest and arms trying to cover my whole body.So I opened my Bible and started reading verses about protection and that feeling would compress back and go away.
And she's watching all this and she'd be like "Umm" and go back to her phone and type something then look back up back at me.Again that feeling would come back and I'd find another verse and whatever she tried to do to me wouldn't work.That went on for like 6 hours, and she was getting frustrated every time God would take whatever she was trying to do to go away.
It was a spiritual battle and just 6,7 days ago I just started reading the Bible.God put it in my heart to pick it up and start reading,now I was in a spiritual battle.I could feel my body and mind getting exhausted.You ever do something so physically or mentally demanding to the point of exhaustion of both body and mind?that's what the spiritual fight felt like.But God would 'charge' me up every time I'd feel like I couldn't go anymore to the point it felt like the battle just started.
Then around the 6 hour mark in my mind I thought "ok God lets end this" and the verse about letting the enemy fall into their own trap entered into my head and I started reading the verse then looked at her and she looked scared and she got up and left.That was the end of it.

Commanding a demon like belzabulb to curse others is placing a soul tie to that demon to come into your life and you need to repent of it.
This also goes for people who go to lukewarm churches and pay tithes to those churches.You're placing a soul tie to that lukewarm church.It is like an idol to you just like how they had idols in the OT which they'd worship.
Even though God made whatever that witch tried to curse me with return back turn to her,scripture says the darkness flees from the light.So be filled with the Holy Spirit.

 

[ocean]

There is a great deal to learn from observation and experience. For example, your comment about witchcraft. Derek Prince stated that witchcraft is all about control. It is also a work of the flesh, not just demonic. I can tell you from my own experience before I was saved.

I was born into the occult. My mother was psychic. I was conceived out of wedlock. My father was sent to Korea so my mother was alone at first. Her relatives had a seance and called down a "guardian angel" to care for me. We had that demon in the home until I was 5 years old. It's a miracle that I lived that long. I suffered two potentially fatal illness, whooping cough and dysentery.

As a young adult, I discovered my own psychic power. I did not indulge it much because, somehow, I knew it was wrong. I'm English by birth. The occult is woven into the fabric of society, or at least it was as I was growing up.

There is such a thing as revelation by the Holy Spirit. Those who are born again have the ability to discern what is of God and what is not. Not everyone uses that discernment. Before dismissing such things, you do well to listen to people like Derek Prince. Just because you do not understand does not make them wrong. Derek Prince was a missionary in Africa. He came across the occult a great deal.

There is a vast amount in the spiritual realm that defies human logic. For example, why would Paul get annoyed with a woman who told the truth about his ministry? (Acts 16: 16-34). Paul knew that God was as concerned about the source as much as the information itself. Satan quoted God's word to Jesus in the wilderness. What could be wrong with that? Yet Satan's intent was evil. Jesus saw through that. I wonder how many Christians have had a word that seemed from God but led them astray. I am one who fell into that trap.

As far as God requiring the cooperation of man, that is obvious from man's history with God. All you have to do is read the Old Testament. Why do you think Lord Jesus told us to pray "Your will be done, on earth as in heaven"? If it was automatic, we would not need to pray.

If a person has not lived it, apparently, no one else has either. I have experienced similar to what you wrote but I will never try to convince anyone about it. Few people know what I have lived through, including an attempt on my life, but God knows. I do not believe you will convince presidente about anything. We are living a spiritual existence whether or not we want to but many Christians are not comfortable with that truth

From what I have both seen and personally experienced, Christians are very good at cursing other believers but while their tongues are wagging they don't give a thought to how the Bible instructs us about how we are to watch our tongues. The Bible says the power of life and death is in the tongue. That is not just an expression.

 

[ocean]

With regards to the op, I would forgive the person if you know who it is and pray for them. Pray for protection and use your spiritual armor that we find in Ephesians.

10 Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. 11 Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes. 12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. 13 Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. 14 Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, 15 and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. 16 In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. 17 Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.

18 And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests. With this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying for all the Lord’s people.

I do think we should pay more attention to Jesus than the demons. Some of us have more battles than others and some just flit along and think how blessed they are. I'm not sure about that.