Making a case for women in leadership

[Blain]

Yes, she did. But remember she lived under a different law than we do today. She was a Jew. The law of Christ was non-existent. 1 Cor. 14:34 had not been written yet and she had no law prohibiting her in any way. So 1 Cor. 24:34 and 1 Tim. 2 did not apply to her.

Galations 5:4 tells us if we try to JUSTIFY ourselves by the old Jewish law of Moses we are “fallen from Grace.” What Miraiam did or Deborah, would have no bearing on our faith or practice under the law of Christ. God allowed many things in the Old Testament that are no longer allowed under the new law of Christ. 1) multiple wives, 2) hating your enemies, 3) getting vengeance, 4) divorce for any reason, just to name a few. Read Matthew 5-7 where Jesus is “changing” the law.s of the old testament. The Jews religion is so different from the laws of Christ. Jesus said “all authority has been given to Him. Matthew 28:18-19. We must abide in the doctrine of Christ in the New Testament to have God. 2 John 9. We have to use Christ and what He says as Our “authority” now.

Paul says the Old testament is written as an example for our learning so that we might not sin as they sinned. 1 Cor. 10:11.

if the old testament is for an example then shouldn't we take it just as serious? so it is ok for Deberah to prophecy as long as it was under the old covanent but not under the new? and Paul talks about the law being done away with but the law doesn't have to do with prophecy or prophesying

 

[Edify]

Preaching means to make a proclamation.
Remember the woman at the well? 5 husband & shacking up with #6.
"Come see a man who told me all that I did. Is this not the Christ?"
How DARE she tell all those men what to do!

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

People have declared, & rightly so, that the church is the body of Christ(christians), not the building , not the service.
So according to their beliefs, they ARE breaking their own rules.

Nothing within her post clarifies that she is only referring to the authority of all the males within a person's chosen "home" congregation. Perhaps that is what she meant, if so she can clarify that herself.

I do not know if @Beckworth holds to this belief, but I do agree that if we're going to paint scripture with a broad brush we ought to give all verses the same treatment! 😜

And I do agree with you that the assembly of believers IS the church, we think of it as a building or our denomination of choice but that's not how the Bible describes it. 👍

I think this is what the great apostasy actually looks like - a departing from the faith - away from the beliefs set down in the Bible - to the deviating current trends nowadays. So falling away doesn't even mean leaving Christianity - it is about no longer believing what the Bible actually says.

2 Timothy 4:3
For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.

Notice that it is more popular now and acceptable for OSAS, for women pastors, and Pre-trib doctrines, while all the original teaching of the Bible is ignored.

All we have to wait for is the revealing of the antichrist, but none of you might even recognize him for what he is.

I say to anyone who listens, to hold fast to the Lord and what He's teaching in the Bible. Love His truth and you won't be given over to the strong delusion that God warns us about in the Bible.


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[GWH]

He awakes and gets out of bed before his wife...he beats his wife up.

I like your sense of humor,
but both of you missed the second part. :^)

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

I like your sense of humor,
but both of you missed the second part. :^)

Yeah, I don't believe Paul was being ironic. I believe he was serious. I understand he meant that to keep the order within the church.


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[Cameron143]

I like your sense of humor,
but both of you missed the second part. :^)

You say missed, I say escaped.

 

[Snackersmom]

I think this is what the great apostasy actually looks like - a departing from the faith - away from the beliefs set down in the Bible - to the deviating current trends nowadays. So falling away doesn't even mean leaving Christianity - it is about no longer believing what the Bible actually says.

2 Timothy 4:3
For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.

Notice that it is more popular now and acceptable for OSAS, for women pastors, and Pre-trib doctrines, while all the original teaching of the Bible is ignored.

All we have to wait for is the revealing of the antichrist, but none of you might even recognize him for what he is.

I say to anyone who listens, to hold fast to the Lord and what He's teaching in the Bible. Love His truth and you won't be given over to the strong delusion that God warns us about in the Bible.


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I have not and will not argue that women have a biblical "green light" to be pastors or teachers. I merely asked another member to clarify her position and hold to it herself. I do not know why you jumped in to answer for her.

And now you are implying that I am apostate, without directly addressing anything I actually said. That escalated quickly 🙄.

 

[Magenta]

Preaching means to make a proclamation.
Remember the woman at the well? 5 husband & shacking up with #6.
"Come see a man who told me all that I did. Is this not the Christ?"
How DARE she tell all those men what to do!

The very first evangelist to proclaim the Lord's resurrection, sent by the risen Lord, Jesus Christ Himself: Mary Magdalene.

 

[Blain]

The very first evangelist to proclaim the Lord's resurrection, sent by the risen Lord, Jesus Christ Himself: Mary Magdalene.

Ah but she wasn't in a position of authority, loophole.

 

[Edify]

I think this is what the great apostasy actually looks like - a departing from the faith - away from the beliefs set down in the Bible - to the deviating current trends nowadays. So falling away doesn't even mean leaving Christianity - it is about no longer believing what the Bible actually says.

2 Timothy 4:3
For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.

Notice that it is more popular now and acceptable for OSAS, for women pastors, and Pre-trib doctrines, while all the original teaching of the Bible is ignored.

All we have to wait for is the revealing of the antichrist, but none of you might even recognize him for what he is.

I say to anyone who listens, to hold fast to the Lord and what He's teaching in the Bible. Love His truth and you won't be given over to the strong delusion that God warns us about in the Bible.
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A woman pastor prayed for my wife when she was a teen for glaucoma. 2 Doctors said she had about a month before she was completely blind. In a few days she was fully healed.
This pastor was the first to allow me to preach in her church when my own denomination wouldn't let me in their doors. People would go to her for special prayer, including my mother-in-law, & were healed.
She was old time Pentecostal, with the hair bun & all.
If she were alive, It would be a privilege to have her pray for me today.
You, my friend, judged her as an apostate, as well as those who believe the way she does, including me.
I forgive you for that, because I don't want unforgiveness to cause me to throw everything I have in Christ away.

 

[Beckworth]

Could it be that Paul was speaking of himself and not what he heard from God?
Woman were considered second class citizens back then and not to be taken seriously.
Most of the church was in fact jewish converts.
Paul ministry was very new and fresh with many debated issues to resolve.
Could it be possible Paul was speaking to the culture of the time as this would undoubtedly bring another issue to contend with.
Jews are customs keepers and perhaps a women in authority would make it more difficult to spread the gospel.

I Corinthians 14:37-“If anyone thinks himself to be a prophet or spiritual, let him acknowledge that THE THINGS WHICH I WRITE TO YOU ARE THE COMMANDMENTS OF THE LORD.”

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

I have not and will not argue that women have a biblical "green light" to be pastors or teachers. I merely asked another member to clarify her position and hold to it herself. I do not know why you jumped in to answer for her.

And now you are implying that I am apostate, without directly addressing anything I actually said. That escalated quickly 🙄.

She gets dumped on a lot because she holds to the original teachings of the Bible - especially the verses that are largely ignored. I just don't like that someone who believes what God says in the Bible to that degree should be picked on - I sometimes see more than one person picking on her at one time.

The Bible does say that things will go from bad to worse when the very last days are here. It's important to warn people to watch that they don't become part of the falling away.

I used to think that it was a physical declaration of saying "I don't want to and won't follow Jesus anymore," but now I see it as no longer holding to what the Bible actually teaches.

I'm not calling you apostate, but check what you really believe and hold it up to what the Bible actually says. Because right now what the Bible actually says in comparison to what is believed right now by so many Christians don't match.


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[NotmebutHim]

We're all to spread the gospel whether men or women. Lots of service for God are open to both men and women.

The positions of authority within the church are for men though, not women. But women aren't any less because of that - they just have different function.

But Satan works hard to make women feel as if they're less to try to destroy the hierarchy God had set. But if you look at the Trinity of God the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, God the Father is the highest authority. You don't ever see Jesus or the Holy Spirit try to usurp the Father's position. Also, all the 2/3 of angels that remained with God remain in their position in the heirarchy as well.

Jesus, the Holy Spirit and the angels that remained - none of them have any problems with their position and not being the #1 in authority. Only women seem to have that problem with Satan making them feel inferior.

I personally don't have that problem. I'm pretty independent, but I can do the work I'm called to without feeling inferior about my place in the heirarchy.


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Well said!!

 

[Blain]

A woman pastor prayed for my wife when she was a teen for glaucoma. 2 Doctors said she had about a month before she was completely blind. In a few days she was fully healed.
This pastor was the first to allow me to preach in her church when my own denomination wouldn't let me in their doors. People would go to her for special prayer, including my mother-in-law, & were healed.
She was old time Pentecostal, with the hair bun & all.
If she were alive, It would be a privilege to have her pray for me today.
You, my friend, judged her as an apostate, as well as those who believe the way she does, including me.
I forgive you for that, because I don't want unforgiveness to cause me to throw everything I have in Christ away.

God uses who he chooses is my understanding

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

A woman pastor prayed for my wife when she was a teen for glaucoma. 2 Doctors said she had about a month before she was completely blind. In a few days she was fully healed.
This pastor was the first to allow me to preach in her church when my own denomination wouldn't let me in their doors. People would go to her for special prayer, including my mother-in-law, & were healed.
She was old time Pentecostal, with the hair bun & all.
If she were alive, It would be a privilege to have her pray for me today.
You, my friend, judged her as an apostate, as well as those who believe the way she does, including me.
I forgive you for that, because I don't want unforgiveness to cause me to throw everything I have in Christ away.

Matthew 7:21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

That's why it means nothing to me that they are doing miracles, because they're not exactly obeying God or respecting what He says in the Bible about His order in the church.


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[Beckworth]

A woman pastor prayed for my wife when she was a teen for glaucoma. 2 Doctors said she had about a month before she was completely blind. In a few days she was fully healed.
This pastor was the first to allow me to preach in her church when my own denomination wouldn't let me in their doors. People would go to her for special prayer, including my mother-in-law, & were healed.
She was old time Pentecostal, with the hair bun & all.
If she were alive, It would be a privilege to have her pray for me today.
You, my friend, judged her as an apostate, as well as those who believe the way she does, including me.
I forgive you for that, because I don't want unforgiveness to cause me to throw everything I have in Christ away.

Personal testimonies are not authoritative when it comes to religious beliefs and practices. God said His WORD is truth—not our “feelings” or testimonies. God has spoken. God says women are to keep silent in the churches. God does not PERMIT a Woman to TEACH or to usurp authority over a man. It is SHAMEFUL for women to speak in the church. 1 Cor. 14:34, 1 Timothy 2:11-14. THIS is what God says. Nothing can or ever will change it.

You have the same choice Eve had in the garden. You know what God has said. Now you can either obey God or obey Satan. Just be prepared for the consequences.

 

[Blain]

Matthew 7:21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

That's why it means nothing to me that they are doing miracles, because they're not exactly obeying God or respecting what He says in the Bible about His order in the church.


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It is only by the power of God himself such things can happen so it really doesn't matter if it matters to you it clearly matters to God

 

[Blain]

Personal testimonies are not authoritative when it comes to religious beliefs and practices. God said His WORD is truth—not our “feelings” or testimonies. God has spoken. God says women are to keep silent in the churches. God does not PERMIT a Woman to TEACH or to usurp authority over a man. It is SHAMEFUL for women to speak in the church. 1 Cor. 14:34, 1 Timothy 2:11-14. THIS is what God says. Nothing can or ever will change it.

You have the same choice Eve had in the garden. You know what God has said. Now you can either obey God or obey Satan. Just be prepared for the consequences.

but if God used this female pastor to heal then that means he was for her even though she was in that position of pastor doesn't that say something?

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

It is only by the power of God himself such things can happen so it really doesn't matter if it matters to you it clearly matters to God

But Jesus just said that He doesn't know these people and sent them away! You're not believing what He says!


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[Blain]

But Jesus just said that He doesn't know these people and sent them away! You're not believing what He says!


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No you are saying by pulling that verse out of context read everything he said not just one part also he was not talking about women in authority you just pulled that scripture out of context to make it say something it isn't