If someone knowingly chooses to believe false doctrine,

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PaulThomson

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Intersection said:
Most people who habitually choose to believe false doctrine know they are wrong to do so.
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Many people who habitually profess to believe what are false doctrines, know their case is not as watertight as they claim they believe it is. Some people who habitually profess to believe what are false doctrines, actually believe their csse is as watertight as they claim the believe it is.

You changed "knowingly" to "habitually." Is that the mot and bailey fallacy.
 
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Correct doctrine is doctrine that leads someone to depend on the Persons of the Godhead to maintain a loving relationship with them and others. If a doctrine does not help us to love God and others with a 1 Cor. 13 kind of love, it is not worth holding on to it.
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I'll back-track a little there. If a doctrine does not help us to love God and others with a 1 Cor. 13 kind of love, it is not worth fighting aggressively over.
 
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PaulThomson said:
Many people who habitually profess to believe what are false doctrines, know their case is not as watertight as they claim they believe it is. Some people who habitually profess to believe what are false doctrines, actually believe their csse is as watertight as they claim the believe it is.

You changed "knowingly" to "habitually." Is that the mot and bailey fallacy.
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Jesus knows the deceptive hearts of those who choose to believe heresy.
 
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1 Corinthians 11 verse 19~ No doubt there have to be differences among you to show which of you have God's approval.
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Walking in the truth is important. It should be the goal of every believer to know the truth and walk in it. It depends on a person's attitude: if they sincerely seek the truth in humility they'll find it and find acceptance. Otherwise, if they are proud and dug in, unwilling to change, they may be very close to being rejected; not because of the theology they believed, but because of a proud and arrogant heart. We don't have to all agree to have fellowship, but we do all have to have humility and a willingness to learn and grow in Christ.
 
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Well if someone believes in false doctrine, whether knowingly or unknowingly, they aren’t believing in what God says because the holy bible is the only source of God’s pure and holy word in written form. If they don’t believe in the word of God, then they’re believing in what man teaches. The ones knowingly believing false doctrine need to repent or be damned to hell, if there is a chance for them. The ones unknowingly believing in false doctrine are most likely following false teachers or just being ignorant and not understanding the truth, but they need to turn to bible doctrine. They need to believe God rather than men. I’m not saying there aren’t good teachers who teach from the bible. There are indeed teachers, preachers etc. who are called by God and filled with the Spirit to teach His word, not the words of men
 
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"Believe upon the correct doctrine and you shall be saved."

I haven't found that verse anywhere.
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There isn't a verse like that but there are verses like this:

1 Tim 4:16 Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.
 
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Actually, he does. 1 John 5:19 says, "We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one." Colossians 1:13 says, "For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves". :)
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Well Preterists understand this in context of the time it was written.

As well again we have to consider what is meant by "whole world" in context, does that means every individual or a system, is that even a reference to Satan?
 
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Gideon300 said:
I've never met anyone who knowingly believes something that is false.
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Agree, the only people I have seen do this are narcissists, but even then it is hard to know if they really believe what is false or it just part of their manipulations.
 
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Nobody "knowingly" believes "false doctrine." Those who believe in false doctrine believe if to be true.
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Most people choose to continue in that which they know is heresy. The majority of people have been warned many times to not continue to embrace false doctrine and they keep doing so no matter what. They believe false doctrine just to try to spite God.
 
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Most people choose to continue in that which they know is heresy. The majority of people have been warned many times to not continue to embrace false doctrine and they keep doing so no matter what. They believe false doctrine just to try to spite God.
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Most people do not. Just because they'e been "warned" doesn't mean they believe the person warning them is correct.
 
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Most people do not. Just because they'e been "warned" doesn't mean they believe the person warning them is correct.
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People who are truly of God choose to believe correct doctrine. The rest who ultimately don't believe correct doctrine are not of the elect.
 
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People who are truly of God choose to believe correct doctrine. The rest who ultimately don't believe correct doctrine are not of the elect.
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You're adding to the gospel. People aren't saved by believing "correct doctrine", which you haven't even defined.
 
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Most people choose to continue in that which they know is heresy. The majority of people have been warned many times to not continue to embrace false doctrine and they keep doing so no matter what. They believe false doctrine just to try to spite God.
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When you will not be specific, I just come to the conclusion this thread has some personal significance and it is not really a discussion about doctrine.

I do find it troubling this is a common theme for you.. reading the bible always in a spirit of condemnation.
 
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