Why would it be gibberish if there was no interpreter? That just means that the speaking in tongues in that case was just for the individual's benefit according to the Holy Spirit.
Concerning the gift of tongues
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Why would it be gibberish if there was no interpreter? That just means that the speaking in tongues in that case was just for the individual's benefit according to the Holy Spirit.
Because they thought they were drunk, if one is speaking even in an unknown language native to that person you wouldn't think a drunk person could form full on words or sentencesWhy would it be gibberish if there was no interpreter? That just means that the speaking in tongues in that case was just for the individual's benefit according to the Holy Spirit.
I really don't care what anybody thinks it is. I will say, at the risk of any semblance of credibility being totally wiped, that I am fluent in "cattish," which sounds like gibberish.
It is very sad that you do not acknowledge the post by Lafftur to which my comment was attached.
I was kinda hoping you had dropped the divisive debasing.
That was the pointed I attempted to make, if the tongues were known languages that were unknown to some hearers of it, then they would at least have recognized it was a known language that they were aware of, regardless of whether they understood that language. They'd at least have been able to identify it as a distinct language they'd heard spoken with the native community and it seems there is a suggestion that the gift of interpretation was given to those that 'heard in their native tongue' while it wasn't given to those that supposed they were drunk.
Hence, Paul's instruction concerning public manifestations, yes. These two gift work together in conjunction with the other in that case. Otherwise, what profit comes from it to edify the body? But that doesn't mean it doesn't profit one that prays in the spirit, in his prayer closet. Nor does it imply one that prays alone in his closet will not get the interpretation unless he does so within the public.
this verse came to mind Anyone who speaks in a tongue edifies themselves, but the one who prophesies edifies the church. so if one is speaking what would be considered gibberish and there is no interpreter it is to edify themselves hence the prayer language if I am to understand it correctly
I don't think I've been given the measure need to speak boldly in tongues in public. Maybe I'm too selfish in that sense, keeping it all for myself. Idk. But yes, I'd rather speak words of distinct understanding than speak in tongues, in public, though I speak often in tongues, in private.
I agree. When I'm at at church that allows speaking in tongues, I'm pretty quiet when I speak in tongues.
I've never felt the Holy Spirit cause my voice to carry over the rest of the voices singing and speaking in the Spirit that everyone should quiet down for me to be heard.
I've also not ever been used by the Holy Spirit to interpret although there were times a verse or passage would come to my mind and the interpreter would announce the same verse or passage.
yeah a lot of times when I hear people try to speak in tongues they shout it like really loudly but if tongues is to edify ones self you and @Mem are doing it how it was supposed to be doneI agree. When I'm at at church that allows speaking in tongues, I'm pretty quiet when I speak in tongues.
I've never felt the Holy Spirit cause my voice to carry over the rest of the voices singing and speaking in the Spirit that everyone should quiet down for me to be heard.
I've also not ever been used by the Holy Spirit to interpret although there were times a verse or passage would come to my mind and the interpreter would announce the same verse or passage.
I teach that Paul and Silas told the Philippian jailer that GRFS was this: “Believe in the Lord Jesus.” (ACTS 16:31)
This is GRFS in a nutshell.
Jesus Himself expressed GRFS even more succinctly using three, four and five letter words: “Ask… seek… knock…” (MT 7:7). This indicates that God graces every sinful soul with the ability or opportunity to understand how to be saved (MT 7:7, cf. 1TM 2:3-4), which might be called “seeking grace“. As Hebrews 11:6 states: “he [God] rewards those who earnestly seek him” (cf. IS 45:19). Seeking God is the beginning of saving faith, and not seeking God or rejecting His salvation in Christ is the essence of evil atheism or faith in I-dolatry (RM 3:11, 1:18-23).
Then I consider the obvious question to ask at this point: “What is GRFS for those who have never heard of Jesus?” (which includes everyone living B.C. and millions of people who have lived A.D.) If God loves the world (JN 3:16) and wants everyone to be saved (2TM 2:4), then He must provide an opportunity. God’s just judgment is illustrated by Jesus in the Parable of the Talents (MT 25:14-29), which indicates that God will judge souls on the basis of the truth (Word = Christ per JN 1:1f.) they have received.
And then I continue with the 5-point elaboration of the kerygma/nutshell.
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2. ocean, post: 5491302, member: 333985"]Kindly show us who said Paul's epistles were not inspired by the Holy Spirit.
We're waiting........
Kind of sad dontcha think if you have to make up something?
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4. I addressed you because of your false statement. It is still false. I'm not sure who you think you are that you believe I need to address another person to somehow appease you, but I'm not interested in continuing to discuss your opines on Paul as previously stated. Now if you want to have a pout about that please go right ahead. Your apparent tendency towards passive aggression is something I really have no time for so I doubt I need to engage you again.
2. ocean, post: 5491302, member: 333985"]Kindly show us who said Paul's epistles were not inspired by the Holy Spirit.
We're waiting........
Kind of sad dontcha think if you have to make up something?
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4. I addressed you because of your false statement. It is still false. I'm not sure who you think you are that you believe I need to address another person to somehow appease you, but I'm not interested in continuing to discuss your opines on Paul as previously stated. Now if you want to have a pout about that please go right ahead. Your apparent tendency towards passive aggression is something I really have no time for so I doubt I need to engage you again.
I don't disagree that there is abuse of "tongues"... but is it abused more than of any other aspect of Christianity? I think not. There is flagrant abuse of faith, of money, of healing, of prophecy, of preaching, of hermeneutics, and probably anything else you care to name.
We don't argue about whether the use of money should be abolished because people abuse it. Let's get some integrity.
So, we accept tongues because other things are also abused, or we look for the truth in all things?
Also, I don't need tongues to buy a loaf of bread.
FWIW, I'm not a strict cessationist as I was originally taught to be. I have some issues in the Text with that position. However, I have been around a lot of abuse of it and am very guarded about its typical open use and supposed proof of the Spirit.