Is support for Trump falling apart?
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Salt involves killing germs, that would be sin, and fertilizer. That involves the gospel work.
Light involves the word of God shining as a light to our path.
Politics involves compromise with unbelievers, pagans, atheists, satanists, etc. This is why the Bible is no longer allowed to be taught in public school. By all means be the light and be the salt. But I don't see any light or any salt in American politics or any politics anywhere.
Let's see what happens if a politician says that Jesus is the way, the truth and the light, no man comes to the father but by Him. Show me a politician who has said that and I will agree that there is some "light" and some "salt", but I want to see someone who said this during their campaign who was then elected and not someone who said this in their last term knowing that this testimony would kill their future political career.
Light involves the word of God shining as a light to our path.
Politics involves compromise with unbelievers, pagans, atheists, satanists, etc. This is why the Bible is no longer allowed to be taught in public school. By all means be the light and be the salt. But I don't see any light or any salt in American politics or any politics anywhere.
Let's see what happens if a politician says that Jesus is the way, the truth and the light, no man comes to the father but by Him. Show me a politician who has said that and I will agree that there is some "light" and some "salt", but I want to see someone who said this during their campaign who was then elected and not someone who said this in their last term knowing that this testimony would kill their future political career.
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Our duties? You mean being a witness for the Lord? Preaching the gospel? Raising up churches? Standing against illegal vaccine mandates? Standing against unconstitutional actions shutting down churches? Caring for the poor?
By all means each of us should follow the Lord's leading in our life. There are certain principles we must all follow, we are witnesses, we are to care for widows and orphans and we are to not be spotted by the world. If the Lord leads you to be involved in politics that is between you and the Lord, I have no interest in questioning or discussing that. But if you teach that the church is to get involved in politics I want to see your Biblical basis for such a doctrine. If you accuse and slander Christians who do not buy into your unbiblical doctrine then I will say you are being one with Satan, the slanderer.
Not only is your doctrine unbiblical but you use it to blaspheme Christians who are being faithful to the Lord. That is very telling.
Our stance according to the New Testament is as ambassadors of the kingdom of the heavens. An ambassador to another country would not publicly get involved in the politics of that nation. We are charged to pray for the leaders, not to debate them or campaign against them.
Paul told us not to be unequally yoked. In politics you must be unequally yoked in order to put together a coalition. That is how I see it and that is why I feel that I am not to get involved. If the Lord leads someone else and they are not unequally yoked, and they do maintain a solid witness for the Lord Jesus, then glory to the Lord Jesus.
By all means each of us should follow the Lord's leading in our life. There are certain principles we must all follow, we are witnesses, we are to care for widows and orphans and we are to not be spotted by the world. If the Lord leads you to be involved in politics that is between you and the Lord, I have no interest in questioning or discussing that. But if you teach that the church is to get involved in politics I want to see your Biblical basis for such a doctrine. If you accuse and slander Christians who do not buy into your unbiblical doctrine then I will say you are being one with Satan, the slanderer.
Not only is your doctrine unbiblical but you use it to blaspheme Christians who are being faithful to the Lord. That is very telling.
Our stance according to the New Testament is as ambassadors of the kingdom of the heavens. An ambassador to another country would not publicly get involved in the politics of that nation. We are charged to pray for the leaders, not to debate them or campaign against them.
Paul told us not to be unequally yoked. In politics you must be unequally yoked in order to put together a coalition. That is how I see it and that is why I feel that I am not to get involved. If the Lord leads someone else and they are not unequally yoked, and they do maintain a solid witness for the Lord Jesus, then glory to the Lord Jesus.
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1 John 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
If people in the government are committing sin then don't be deceived they are of the devil. You are not going to overcome the devil by voting, the only way to overcome the devil is by the manifestation of Jesus Christ.
I know that many think that they have a good heart, or good opinions, or whatever. Which politicians manifest Jesus Christ? Unless you can show me that I am not interested in your "good heart" or "good opinions".
If people in the government are committing sin then don't be deceived they are of the devil. You are not going to overcome the devil by voting, the only way to overcome the devil is by the manifestation of Jesus Christ.
I know that many think that they have a good heart, or good opinions, or whatever. Which politicians manifest Jesus Christ? Unless you can show me that I am not interested in your "good heart" or "good opinions".
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"If you accuse and slander Christians who do not buy into your unbiblical doctrine then I will say you are being one with Satan, the slanderer."
Always making it personal, I guess it is a challenge to discuss on conceptual/academic using biblical principles.
It is quite amazing that proclaiming Christ Jesus fulfilled all temporal and eternal, the law and the prophets would be unbiblical.
And there are plenty of Christians, growing daily I might add, who have learned that dispensationalism as created by John Darby and the Scofield Bible, is a false construct will not survive much longer.
That concludes this discussion and I will not respond further.
Always making it personal, I guess it is a challenge to discuss on conceptual/academic using biblical principles.
It is quite amazing that proclaiming Christ Jesus fulfilled all temporal and eternal, the law and the prophets would be unbiblical.
And there are plenty of Christians, growing daily I might add, who have learned that dispensationalism as created by John Darby and the Scofield Bible, is a false construct will not survive much longer.
That concludes this discussion and I will not respond further.
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There was nothing binary in what I said. What I asked for was to point to a politician who manifested Christ. Then we would have something to discuss. This theoretical mumbo jumbo is just that, you have to Biblical basis, you have to living examples of Politicians manifesting Jesus and defeating the works of the devil, simply a sad attempt at blaming genuine Christians for Satan's kingdom being a heap of collapse.
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No, once again I asked for you to give us the verses you claim you are basing your doctrine on so that we would have something to discuss and to point to living examples of those who are expressing Jesus as they campaign for political office and serve out terms as politicians.
How immature, you bring up a topic which you claim is what the Bible teaches but refuse to provide any Biblical basis for us to examine, nor will you provide any living examples as requested, but instead pout like a little child who doesn't get her way.
How immature, you bring up a topic which you claim is what the Bible teaches but refuse to provide any Biblical basis for us to examine, nor will you provide any living examples as requested, but instead pout like a little child who doesn't get her way.
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All three gospels – you need salt in your speech
Luke 14:34 Salt is good: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be seasoned? 35 It is neither fit for the land, nor yet for the dunghill; but men cast it out.
Mark 9:49 For every one shall be salted with fire, and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt. 50 Salt is good: but if the salt have lost his saltness, wherewith will ye season it? Have salt in yourselves, and have peace one with another.
Matthew 5:13 Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.
It doesn't matter if you are before the tribulation, during the tribulation or even in the great tribulation, you better not lose the salt in your speech. Now look at the progression, in Luke you are cast out, just like those who are left behind are cast out into outer darkness. In Mark you are salted with fire. Don’t think that by standing strong for the Lord you will somehow not be killed, you have been left behind to be a powerful testimony, a living sacrifice. In Matthew not only are you cast out, that already happened, but you are now trodden under foot of men, like dead carcasses in the street.
In my experience all the Christians involved in politics wind up losing the saltiness in their speech. They are forced to compromise in order to get anything passed and that compromise is the removal of salt from their speech, their bills, etc.
Also, take a birds eye view. If the Lord truly called us to be political candidates and change society using politics then we become a total failure during the tribulation. The Antichrist seizes power, not because of Christians who refuse to get involved in politics, the ones not engaged in politics get raptured. No, it is so those who thought this was a viable strategy can repent and be humbled, take up the cross and follow the Lord by preaching the gospel.
Have you ever noticed that every single political campaign is designed to sound like a gospel message only with one thing removed, Jesus Christ. They have removed the salt and so they will be cast out into outer darkness during the rapture and then they will learn that every sacrifice must be salted with fire. They will have to go through the fire of the tribulation and if they still do not repent they will be trodden under foot of men.
Luke 14:34 Salt is good: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be seasoned? 35 It is neither fit for the land, nor yet for the dunghill; but men cast it out.
Mark 9:49 For every one shall be salted with fire, and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt. 50 Salt is good: but if the salt have lost his saltness, wherewith will ye season it? Have salt in yourselves, and have peace one with another.
Matthew 5:13 Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.
It doesn't matter if you are before the tribulation, during the tribulation or even in the great tribulation, you better not lose the salt in your speech. Now look at the progression, in Luke you are cast out, just like those who are left behind are cast out into outer darkness. In Mark you are salted with fire. Don’t think that by standing strong for the Lord you will somehow not be killed, you have been left behind to be a powerful testimony, a living sacrifice. In Matthew not only are you cast out, that already happened, but you are now trodden under foot of men, like dead carcasses in the street.
In my experience all the Christians involved in politics wind up losing the saltiness in their speech. They are forced to compromise in order to get anything passed and that compromise is the removal of salt from their speech, their bills, etc.
Also, take a birds eye view. If the Lord truly called us to be political candidates and change society using politics then we become a total failure during the tribulation. The Antichrist seizes power, not because of Christians who refuse to get involved in politics, the ones not engaged in politics get raptured. No, it is so those who thought this was a viable strategy can repent and be humbled, take up the cross and follow the Lord by preaching the gospel.
Have you ever noticed that every single political campaign is designed to sound like a gospel message only with one thing removed, Jesus Christ. They have removed the salt and so they will be cast out into outer darkness during the rapture and then they will learn that every sacrifice must be salted with fire. They will have to go through the fire of the tribulation and if they still do not repent they will be trodden under foot of men.
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