Loss of salvation???
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No. Not unless you can provide a scripture from the word of God that says so. Peter says if anyone speaks, let him speak as the oracles of God ( word of God). If you can’t produce a scripture that says so, then you are not speaking as the oracles of God. I will only accept what God says—not what you think.
Was Adam tasked with being fruitful and filling the earth? Was Adam tasked to care for the garden? Was Adam forbidden to eat from a specified tree?
From my own studying of the Word and discussions with men of faith that I trust, I 100% believe that your salvation (if real) can not be "lost". However, I am not here to debate or try to win others to my side. Those who believe their salvation can be "lost" are going to keep right on believing that, as I am going to keep on believing eternal salvation.
All true but never called “God making a covenant with Him.” God does NOT call that a covenant. That is just what YOU Call it. Because you call that a covenant, does not make it so. God told Satan that he would be despised by men. That he would crawl on his belly and eat dust all of his life. That woman’s seed woujd crush his head. Does that mean God made a covenant with Satan? If the Bible does not call it a covenant, then who are you or who am I to call it something that God has not? God’s word is to be respected and honored; and one way we do that is to not put words into God’s mouth that are not there.
So God establishes a relationship with Adam based on a commandment and responsibilities with consequences for failure, but because He doesn't employ the term covenant, even though it meets the definition of covenant, it's not a covenant? Okay.
When God made a covenant, He told us so as in Genesisv18. The word says He made a covenant with Abraham. Joshua made a covenant with the people . Joshua 24:25.
Johoidah made a covenant with the Lord….”2 Kings 11:17. Hezekiah’s made a covenant with tge Lird, 2 Chron. 29.
In the Bible when a covenant was made, usually both sides had to agree, for the covenant to be binding.
so, you believe God also made a covenant with Satan and the woman, too. By your definition and way of handling the scriptures, we can call anything and everything in the Bible a covenant of some kind. Then it becomes meaningless, if everything in the Bible is a covenant; and please tell me how you differentiate between what is not a covenant when God speaks and when is it a convent . How do you know? What rules have you invented that let’s us know when it is a covenant and when it is just God talking??? How do you know God’s conversation with Adam was a covenant?
That which proves too much, proves nothing.
The Bible gives progressive revelation. Sometimes you work forward from what you know, and sometimes backwards. This doesn't mean that things that are revealed later weren't always true. They simply weren't revealed yet.
I'm not going to convince you regardless of what I share, but I do appreciate the discussion. Grace and peace.
What God did concerning the woman and Satan resulted from Adam's sin, and not from any arrangement He made with them.
and how does that prove that God made a “covenant” with Adam. God, in the Bible, has given instructions to many, many people. What evidence do you use to determine this?? Is it not made up in your own mind? Are you
So you are calling everything that God says to man a “covenant.”? How do you determine what is a covenant and what is not, if God does not say so? Please tell me how you know and does that apply to all that God says? How do you know when to call it a covenant, if God does not call it a covenant??
Does it meet the definition of a covenant? Then it's a covenant.
Do you believe in the Trinity?
I simply showed what the language says in Hosea6:7. "adam" shows up 584 times in the Hebrew text I searched. Very few of them refer to "Adam" and even some that are translated as "Adam" are debated, like Hosea6:7. I'm not using much time on this matter, but reading context and the scholarship, at the moment I agree with @Beckworth on this verse.
This doesn't answer my question. Even if I cede that yours and his understanding is correct, simply because God doesn't employ the term covenant doesn't mean it's not a covenant. If it walks like a covenant and quacks like a covenant: it's a covenant.
THe simple answer is that one can choose to walk away from salvation and no longer receive God's promise if they choose.
I must repeat...
Sure, in the very beginning of the newly born Church, things were needing to be corrected.
Peter still insisted upon eating kosher after the Lord commanded Peter "to take and eat!"
And, here is why Peter commanded water baptisms as a knee-jerk reaction to seeing many getting saved.
Here is why Peter commanded water baptism without giving it a thought!
Now Jesus learned that the Pharisees had heard that he was gaining
and baptizing more disciples than John— although in fact it was not
Jesus who baptized, but his disciples. " John 4:1-2
Imagine baptizing more people than John the Baptist?
Peter had made water baptism into a way of life under Jesus!
We need correction!
All those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me,
I will never drive away. For I have come down from heaven not to do my will,
but to do the will of him who sent me.
And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he
has given me, but raise them up at the last day. John 6:37-39
If it is the Father's will that Jesus lose none?
Then it would be Jesus who failed to do the Father's will if we could lose our salvation!
Why keep batting this doubt around and around?
John 6:37-39 tells us what Jesus stated as the truth!
Some are just never going to feel secure in their salvation because they keep hiding from God in shame.
They resent those who are secure. And, it is these ones who will find ways to try to make others to doubt.
grace and peace!
They only think they can walk away.
You run away from home…
Your parents remain being your parents.
Where can I go from Your Spirit?
Or where can I flee from Your presence?
If I ascend into heaven, You are there;
If I make my bed in hell, behold, You are there.
If I take the wings of the morning,
And dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea,
Even there Your hand shall lead me,
And Your right hand shall hold me.
Psalm 139:7-10
Or where can I flee from Your presence?
If I ascend into heaven, You are there;
If I make my bed in hell, behold, You are there.
If I take the wings of the morning,
And dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea,
Even there Your hand shall lead me,
And Your right hand shall hold me.
Psalm 139:7-10