Concerning the gift of tongues

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Blain said:
you clearly misunderstand me, we are to test the spirits and without discernment I could not know the real from the fake. I merely was telling you if you don't believe in the gift in general God is not likely to show it to you.
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"Test the spirits" and "discernment"?

You made no such comment in your post.

The Bible is full of examples of seeing the supernatural manifestations without first accepting the validity of the manifestations.

I have expressed many times my belief in the physical supernatural manifestations. Your excuses are weak.
 
Lamar said:
"Test the spirits" and "discernment"?

You made no such comment in your post.

The Bible is full of examples of seeing the supernatural manifestations without first accepting the validity of the manifestations.

I have expressed many times my belief in the physical supernatural manifestations. Your excuses are weak.
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I'm sorry what? my excuses? Excuses for what?
 
ocean said:
The same thing could be said for many threads in this forum.

1Cor.14:18-19: I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you. But in the church, I would rather speak five coherent words to instruct others than ten thousand words in a tongue.

Paul is referring to the us of tongues in private: prayer, worship, edification. Those familiar with the gift understand that. BUT comprehension is the better part of what is said in church so if someone were to just go on in tongues with no interpretation, then what good is that? Actually, Paul makes that very plain in his instructions.

2 For anyone who speaks in a tongue does not speak to people but to God. Indeed, no one understands them; they utter mysteries by the Spirit. I Cor 14
Anyone who speaks in a tongue edifies themselves I Cor 14: 4a

It's all well explained in chapt 14 so...
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Yes, the same could be said for most threads on CC.

I agree that the best way to understand 1CR 14:18-19 is that tongues should be exercised privately--
unless God gives the ability to share the Gospel in earthly languages one has never learned!
 
Lamar said:
Your excuse for why I cannot see the evidence of currently active tongues. Post# 108
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well you can call them what you want but that doesn't change the fact that you have believe in order to see after all didn't Jesus say blessed are those who believe without seeing? do you really expect to see the gift manifest with unbelief in your heart?

I got to see and expereince it first hand but I also believed in the gift maybe you will see it without believing in it but it is not likely.
you believe in the gift as it was in the early church but you think that all of todays is just mindless babble why you think this way I do not know but I can promise you not all of it is
 
GWH said:
Yes, the same could be said for most threads on CC.

I agree that the best way to understand 1CR 14:18-19 is that tongues should be exercised privately--
unless God gives the ability to share the Gospel in earthly languages one has never learned!
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In the manner Paul was speaking of, privately, or silently in church. You can pray quietly in tongues in church. Or anywhere really
 
Blain said:
True enough this is sometimes the case however I don't think this is the case for Lamar but maybe not perhaps God will allow him to experience the real thing some day. I know that when I experienced it there was no words to describe it the power of God coursing into me the way I was absolutely in awe of God the feeling of thise fire surging through me like electricity it is hard to explain but I would love for all believers to know God in this way it reveals the depth of him so much that you don't have the words
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We don't always experience a physical sensation but it can happen
 
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ocean said:
You are mocking God. I am sorry you find scripture to be false. Really, I am sorry because that does not bode will for you.
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Well it looks like Lamar beat me to the punch.

bode will???

It is not scripture I find to be false but your claims of supernatural powers.
 
Blain said:
the gift of tongues seems to be a misunderstood gift by many in the church speaking nonsense or just empty words but what does the gift have to do with the body of Christ? well it is for the edifying and empowering of the believers but it seems to be either a rare gift or just non existent

personally I have only experienced it a few times the real thing that is and if I could tell you what it feels like to experience the real thing well for me it felt like an invisible hand moving my heart like the awesome and mind blowing power of God was being poured into me like I mean poured big time it leaves you stunned in awe of God it fills you with this life and you can feel a fire or surge of power flowing inside you all of a sudden

However I have encountered so many fake tongues as well that I might as well not believe in it but because I believed in it even though I never saw or experienced it before that is what made it possible to experience the real thing believing without seeing for myself.

I also wonder if anyone here does operate in the gift, if so then what does it feel like to you when you speak in tongues and what have you seen it do to those who hear?
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I started to speak in tongues only because I came into a group of Pentecostals who laid hands on me and told me to "move my lips." I was told to start speaking and just let God give me words in a foreign tongue. Ultimately, it seemed like a deception to me, and rejected it, at least for me.

But I do believe some people are given the gift of tongues. I've experienced revelation that profoundly influenced the way I speak.

I think the bible teaches that not all are given all the gifts of the Spirit, that only some are given the gift of tongues. But those given such gifts should not neglect them, since they are given by the Holy Spirit for a reason. We each have a different need in order to fulfill our destiny.

I once doubted tongues completely, but asked God for a sign from heaven. Immediately a firework went off in the dstance in front of me, above the trees. So I viewed this as an answer from God. Tongues can be real.

Pentecostals, however, have made it into a doctrine that does not square with the Bible. They call it a "Prayer Language" that all Spirit-Baptized belieers should be able to exercise. This goes directly against God's word, as I said.

So it becomes a fake manifestation of the Spirit for many Pentecostals, though they may mean well. I am a Pentecostal--I just don't accept this common Pentecostal doctrine.
 
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The proof of the pudding is in the eating. Arguments, no matter how well-crafted they might be, are proof of tongues. Let's see some objective evidence (not babble that anyone can do) and then I'll reconsider.
 
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randyk said:
I started to speak in tongues only because I came into a group of Pentecostals who laid hands on me and told me to "move my lips." I was told to start speaking and just let God give me words in a foreign tongue. Ultimately, it seemed like a deception to me, and rejected it, at least for me.

But I do believe some people are given the gift of tongues. I've experienced revelation that profoundly influenced the way I speak.

I think the bible teaches that not all are given all the gifts of the Spirit, that only some are given the gift of tongues. But those given such gifts should not neglect them, since they are given by the Holy Spirit for a reason. We each have a different need in order to fulfill our destiny.

I once doubted tongues completely, but asked God for a sign from heaven. Immediately a firework went off in the dstance in front of me, above the trees. So I viewed this as an answer from God. Tongues can be real.

Pentecostals, however, have made it into a doctrine that does not square with the Bible. They call it a "Prayer Language" that all Spirit-Baptized belieers should be able to exercise. This goes directly against God's word, as I said.

So it becomes a fake manifestation of the Spirit for many Pentecostals, though they may mean well. I am a Pentecostal--I just don't accept this common Pentecostal doctrine.
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I discourage faith in fireworks and encourage learning what the Bible teaches,
which is that we must walk by faith (2Cor.5:7) and must not want to prove our faith by means of a sign (Matt.12:39).
 
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TrustandObey said:
Well it looks like Lamar beat me to the punch.

bode will???

It is not scripture I find to be false but your claims of supernatural powers.
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In the context of 1Cor 14, what do you think Paul the apostle meant by,

1Co 14:39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.

Does your assembly forbid speaking in tongues?
 
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GWH said:
I discourage faith in fireworks and encourage learning what the Bible teaches,
which is that we must walk by faith (2Cor.5:7) and must not want to prove our faith by means of a sign (Matt.12:39).
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I was just thinking of that verse in mathew when I saw you posted it, more than one person here wants evidence tom believe.
 
randyk said:
I started to speak in tongues only because I came into a group of Pentecostals who laid hands on me and told me to "move my lips." I was told to start speaking and just let God give me words in a foreign tongue. Ultimately, it seemed like a deception to me, and rejected it, at least for me.

But I do believe some people are given the gift of tongues. I've experienced revelation that profoundly influenced the way I speak.

I think the bible teaches that not all are given all the gifts of the Spirit, that only some are given the gift of tongues. But those given such gifts should not neglect them, since they are given by the Holy Spirit for a reason. We each have a different need in order to fulfill our destiny.

I once doubted tongues completely, but asked God for a sign from heaven. Immediately a firework went off in the dstance in front of me, above the trees. So I viewed this as an answer from God. Tongues can be real.

Pentecostals, however, have made it into a doctrine that does not square with the Bible. They call it a "Prayer Language" that all Spirit-Baptized belieers should be able to exercise. This goes directly against God's word, as I said.

So it becomes a fake manifestation of the Spirit for many Pentecostals, though they may mean well. I am a Pentecostal--I just don't accept this common Pentecostal doctrine.
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I personally don't approve of just speaking and hoping the spirit speaks in tongues and I don't think it is a gift for all like some churches believe that is how you get a lot of fake tongues.
 
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ResidentAlien said:
The proof of the pudding is in the eating. Arguments, no matter how well-crafted they might be, are proof of tongues. Let's see some objective evidence (not babble that anyone can do) and then I'll reconsider.
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Matt.12:39)
 
When you speak, let's say Spanish, while in the company of, let's say, English speakers, typically, it would be taken as rude because they don't know what you are saying. But this unspoken rule would have never been adopted if no one had ever experienced this situation. If asked, "Why would people do even do this?" my first consideration would be that it must be for some sort of personal edification. For example, a Spanish couple find themselves, alone, in a community of English speakers and so exercise their familiarity with one another in order to foster comfort and support from one another, at the risk of the others suspecting they are the subject of the unknown exchange. Consigned to existence in two worlds, I often find myself at a loss as to how to operate within them, if it were not for Holy Spirit guidance.

There were a couple instances that I've found myself aware that I was in a state of alarm for what seemed to be no reason, once with my son in mind and the other where my niece and her husband came to mind, but it was never accompanied with the feeling that I was helpless and "could do nothing" even if I did feel that helpless and could do nothing, if that made sense.

But at these times, I'd fall on my knees and pray in tongues and while doing so, a visual synopsis of the situation would be revealed to me, the first involving a picture of rain and a semi-truck and the second involving my niece riding shotgun.

These are only a couple of examples along with a time when I didn't even know a person, only the location, which was near enough associated to a personal loved one it would generate me to alarm, accompanied by a vision of a man, a vehicle, and a firearm.

But now, I don't wait for those types of alarms. I sort of just do 'walk-thru' safety checks.
 
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referring to #151
Doesn't matter if anyone ever agrees or disagrees with truth.
It does however expose a persons genuine nature.
Be they truth seekers or merely want their own venom to be accepted as truth?
blessings
 
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shittim said:
referring to #151
Doesn't matter if anyone ever agrees or disagrees with truth.
It does however expose a persons genuine nature.
Be they truth seekers or merely want their own venom to be accepted as truth?
blessings
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each person has a truth they stand by some who regard anothers truth to be ridiculous see their own beliefs as the actual truth regardless if it is contrary to scripture. I am actually shocked some here disregard any supernatural gifting as God himself is supernatural and we as his ambassadors also walk in the supernatural

To some it seems that tongues has ceased and any mention of it is laughable and apparently some require a sign or evidence which is of itself contrary to scripture and then some it seems actually walk in the gift and can testify of it's validation but that isn't enough to convince others otherwise apparently.
 
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Blain said:
each person has a truth they stand by some who regard anothers truth to be ridiculous see their own beliefs as the actual truth regardless if it is contrary to scripture. I am actually shocked some here disregard any supernatural gifting as God himself is supernatural and we as his ambassadors also walk in the supernatural

To some it seems that tongues has ceased and any mention of it is laughable and apparently some require a sign or evidence which is of itself contrary to scripture and then some it seems actually walk in the gift and can testify of it's validation but that isn't enough to convince others otherwise apparently.
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Hence the importance of emphasizing agreement regarding agreement on the essential Gospel (kerygma)
as folks agree to disagree regarding secondary doctrines.
 
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