That's not saying very much since serving the Living God is what it means to be in an actual saving, personal, intimate, loving covenant relationship with Him. God didn't save anyone to not serve him! Everyone in this world serves someone or something! Therefore, if God never purposed for saved, chosen people to serve him, then this would mean they're still free to serve who or what they want.
Understanding God’s election
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That's not saying very much since serving the Living God is what it means to be in an actual saving, personal, intimate, loving covenant relationship with Him. God didn't save anyone to not serve him! Everyone in this world serves someone or something! Therefore, if God never purposed for saved, chosen people to serve him, then this would mean they're still free to serve who or what they want.
Define "normal unbeliever"! Would that be someone like those described in Isa 1:5-6 or in Jer 13:23? Or do "normal" unbelievers have stuff going on within them that "abnormal" unbelievers don't, e.g. some intrinsic goodness (Mk 10:18; Rom 7:18) that the bible says NO ONE has!?
Studier so loves his god Volition that he doesn't care a whit in calling the one and only True Living God a liar!
1 Timothy 3 verse 16
Excellent passage! And since Christ is believed in throughout the world, this can only mean that all men w/o distinction believe in Him.
Well, the mystery ain't that great after all, according to nay sayers. Imagine that!
Though I am less than the least of all the saints, this grace was given me: to preach to the Gentiles the
unsearchable riches of Christ, and to illuminate for everyone the stewardship of this mystery, which for
ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things. His purpose was that now, through the church,
the manifold wisdom of God should be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms...
Nope, no great depth there... according to some. Sad.
Just a dodge from actually discussing Scriptures which are actually at the forefront of my attention.
I'm used to such diversions.
That Rom7-8 is a good area to discuss a man who struggles in conscience and is not fully committed to soulishness. I posted some things about it recently and how Paul explains what the flesh does to hijack the thinking of a man who desires to do good. It's pretty interesting how Paul explains it.
It's not about intrinsic goodness. It's about an inner battle that many have because they know there is right and wrong and a God they have not fully rejected from their knowledge.
If you'd like to read the post let me know and I'll look for it.
After you answer my challenge, then I will consider answering your challenge. This is how you put a stop to theological ping pong. So, answer my challenge. That way, I will get an idea just the extent of your biblical knowledge.
What "challenge" would that be: That God actually elects/chooses only a tiny percentage of the Church that he has specifically called to "serve" him? Make things up much?
There are two kinds of people in the world: Those in the flesh who CANNOT please God and those in the Spirit who can. So...is your "normal" unbeliever someone who fits in between these two different kinds of people?
There are two kinds of people in the world: Those in the flesh who CANNOT please God and those in the Spirit who can. So...is your "normal" unbeliever someone who fits in between these two different kinds of people?
Are you sure there are only 2 kinds of people in the world?
Even in 1Cor2-3 where the discussion began, there are at least 3 types of people discussed.
In the context of my saying "normal unbeliever" I was proposing a difference from the psuchikos-natural man (unbeliever) of 1Cor2:14 who looks to be completely committed to the soul and to the kosmos.
Or...... Absolutley no context of election is about God arbitrarily choosing certain men for salvation.
Or......It can be describing ALL of us in and of ourselves. As if God never came after us. If God left us alone........NONE would seek Him.
But He did not leave us to ourselves. He came after us.....EACH and EVERYONE of us. He reconciled each and every person who has ever lived to Himself.
He sent the helper to convict us of sin. Because they do not believe in Him.
So yes, as the natural man( as if he left us be) we would never seek God. None would......But He convicted THE WORLD of sin.
And the "abnormal" believer is completely committed to what precisely?
And what are the "3 types of people" discussed in 1Cor 2-3? Are all these types also unbelievers or is it a mixed bag?
Then everyone is saved, just like Eve was saved. I know you desperately want to have it both ways here: You want everyone to believe that he reconciled all men w/o exception, but then when an unbeliever says..."Well then...I'm good to go since God saved me and I didn't even know about it." But then you reply..."Oh, no...what I really meant to say that God offers you the opportunity to be reconciled to Him."
Talk about delusional, self-deceived and duplicity! God even reconciled people he never knew ever! May God have mercy on your soul on the last day!
The many who do this cannot seem to help themselves. That's partly why it is called a derangement syndrome...